To still like Jeremy Corbyn?

[malificent7]

I think it's right that he stepped down as the public clearly didn't get him...hated him even but i think he stands for the good in society. I actually think he is correctvto call out Israel for being bastards to Palestine and whilst ge apparently supports terroism ( ira), i think he is a negotiator ...the UK shafted Ireland hugely and the IRA is a consequence of that. We need people to negotiate with them.
I slso think remaining neutral on Brexit was the right thing to do but respecting the will of the people.

I don't hate Boris but he has got away with a lot. He has said many racist slurs, he hates women, he has multiple illegitimate children yet blames women, he switched sides re Brexit, oh and he's happy to trade with people like Saudi Arabia who have awful human rights. But apparently Jeremy is the bad one.

Labour will never again be in government.

Nonsense. They took a higher share of the vote than the Tories did in 1997.

The arrogance of Momentum not listening to the clear message really irks me.

MarshaBradyo

It’s not arrogant to stand your political ground and continue to express a belief in your vision. It’s cowardly to change your ‘beliefs’ with the political wind.

Corbyn was uninspiring, mendacious, tone-deaf, racist, pie in the sky and all the rest of it, there are still ten million people who agree with him on the fundamentals

This is simplistic. Many people who voted labour did so despite him, not because of him.

This odd messiah like worship of a failed leader is very strange. He plays to people's insecurities, despair, frustration, envy and greed. Yes you can have free Wi-fi, and other kids won't be privately educated when yours aren't, and you can buy your rental property cheap off your landlord, and only work four days a week, and we will tax the higher earners so you get more more more.

Not, let's see who we can increase your earnings, let's see how we can make private schools not necessary, let's create more jobs, give you more opportunities, let's make sure you can afford Wi-fi, let's make sure future generations, your kids and grandkids don't struggle like you did, let's end your struggle. None of it was positive. It was all how can we take from the "rich" whilst he himself is one of the richest, whilst leaving everyone else exactly where they were.

Its A different promise every time, last time tuition fees, a load of bullshit, that kids at the time bought but now realise was bullshit

It’s arrogant to to take over a party to the extent they’ll never win and not see that you are the cause of failure.

I.feel really sad that we would.choose a lying buffoon over a principled man.

However , politics is the art of compromise. The difficulty (impossibility actually) is the art of compromising without losing respect for yourself and from others because you are necessarily compromising your principles in order to make progress.

I think Jeremy Corbyn ( much like Michael Foot before him) were too principled and that does not bring people with you. Boris is way to far the other way but he is the only alternative really.

I find it interesting that out current prime minister is almost unique on being referrd to by his first name by everyone, whether they like him or not I think that means most people feel like they know him ( even if they dislike what they see) . Not many people seem to feel like that about Jeremy ( see how weird it is using his first name ) . He doesn't have the common touch, Bpris does ( despite being a posh, Etonian),.he is media savvy and media friendly

I think that played a part,

This is simplistic. Many people who voted labour did so despite him, not because of him.

That’s true of the Tories as well, though.

This odd messiah like worship of a failed leader is very strange. He plays to people's insecurities, despair, frustration, envy and greed.

I don’t worship him. I like him. It’s not strange that I still like him when I liked him on Wednesday.

The manifesto was hugely positive.

@DonkeyHotty that's a ridiculous response. I was stating the facts. The leader of the opposition is supposed to take a stance, particularly on one of the most important political questions for generations.

MarshaBradyo

The Labour Party elected him as leader. It wasn’t a coup.

Time to change. How many walked out a couple of years ago? Did he take the hint then? No he hung on stubborn.

He was unelectable. The PLP knew it, and he knew it. He should have stepped aside ages ago.

And to the person who said he wanted Remain, that's not true - he's always wanted Brexit.

He's principled, sure, but he works better as a leftwing backbencher in a safe seat than a leader trying to win new votes.

Nonsense. They took a higher share of the vote than the Tories did in 1997.

Because many, many people who voted Labour in 1997 voted Conservative in 2019. However, it's not clear that you even want to keep the votes of all the people who voted Labour in 2019.

merrymouse

Again, it’s not about wanting to keep votes. The question is how far you’re going to dilute your principles to keep or win them. If Labour turned Tory they would have won more votes this time (clearly). But then they wouldn’t represent me or people like me.

Churchandstate but don't you see as a swing voter I'm exactly the kind of voter Labour needs to attract in the future to win power.

I'm angry because I don't see anyone in JC's party actually trying to listen or understand how they've lost so badly.

Labours attitude seems to be -
Before the Election if I questioned anyone on their beloved JC or the Labour policies - "Fuck Off you thick Tory sheep"
After election - "Anyone who voted Tory can fuck off"

It's not a great dialogue is it?

I suppose, somewhere, there is still someone who thinks Harold Shipman was wonderfully caring GP.

Churchandstate but don't you see as a swing voter I'm exactly the kind of voter Labour needs to attract in the future to win power.

I see it, but not by aligning our policies to your preferences. We need to persuade you of the merit of our policies.

Yab a little unreasonable not to hate Boris though

Ok Churchandstate, but until there's a shift Labour has lost my vote, and by the looks of it millions of others.

Milicentbystander72

Which is a shame, but it doesn’t change the type of society I want to live in.

Churchandstate not meaning to pick on you and I'm sure you don't personally do this, but do you acknowledge that the aggressive 'fuck off' language used by many currently fully immersed in the Labour Party is putting off a huge amount of centrist people like me.
How are you going to persuade if abuse is thrown by any small questioning? It's happened to me RL and online. My best friend runs the local Labour Party Facebook page and Momentum meetings. I literally cannot speak to her about Politics as it's so vicious (I've learnt my lesson there in 2017)

Awful man. Rampant ego and anti Semite.

Milicentbystander72

Oh absolutely. Nobody should be telling you to fuck off.

I'm in my 50s and voted Labour all my life. Didn't this time due to Corbyn.

His ego has ruined Labour and looks like he will continue to try and do more.

I'm in my 50's too Happiness. I feel the same and I have voted more times for Labour in my life than any other party.

I like the man and he was a decent MP. He's also been dragged through the mud by the right-wing press who convieniently ignore that if there is a bigot competition Boris would win by a fucking mile

He's a terrible leader though, and a large proportion of the blame for the current mess we are in has to be laid at his door. He needs to just fuck off right now so labour can rebuild.