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To still like Jeremy Corbyn?

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malificent7 · 14/12/2019 06:59

I think it's right that he stepped down as the public clearly didn't get him...hated him even but i think he stands for the good in society. I actually think he is correctvto call out Israel for being bastards to Palestine and whilst ge apparently supports terroism ( ira), i think he is a negotiator ...the UK shafted Ireland hugely and the IRA is a consequence of that. We need people to negotiate with them.
I slso think remaining neutral on Brexit was the right thing to do but respecting the will of the people.

I don't hate Boris but he has got away with a lot. He has said many racist slurs, he hates women, he has multiple illegitimate children yet blames women, he switched sides re Brexit, oh and he's happy to trade with people like Saudi Arabia who have awful human rights. But apparently Jeremy is the bad one.

OP posts:

CaveMum · 14/12/2019 08:32

I’m sure he’s a lovely principled man on a personal level, but he is an abject failure as a Leader. Leader’s don’t take neutral positions on something as important as Brexit: they LEAD.

He has failed to inspire confidence in the wider public. It’s not as easy as blaming “right wing media”, he took part in numerous live interviews and had the opportunity to control the narrative (channelling my inner West Wing there) but failed to do so.

When so many people are telling you that they would have voted Labour if there was a different leader, you don’t blame the people for being wrong, you look to the Leader and ask why.

This is a pretty centrist country, the only way Labour will get back into power is to come up with a Leader that fits those ideals. Sadly with the infiltration in the party of the likes of Momentum I think that will be a long time coming.

thehorseandhisboy · 14/12/2019 08:32

His three sons seems a lot fonder of him that Johnson's sister does of her brother.

LetterfromJC'ssons

kingsassassin · 14/12/2019 08:33

I think he is a perfectly nice chap who was totally out of his depth and therefore floundering around on the manifesto and interviews.

CalamityJune · 14/12/2019 08:34

YABVU. If he was as principled as his acolytes like to believe then he would have stood down long ago.

He has fractured Labour, pushed more credible voices out of the leadership and allowed his ego to be stroked by activisits in the face of clear voices from around the country that they find him unelectable.

His staying as the leader in the face of loud public opinion has destroyed Labour, and it will take years and years for them to even be a strong opposition again. He has handed it to the Conservatives on a plate. He is responsible for this.

merrymouse · 14/12/2019 08:35

The IRA thing baffles me. Clinton, Blair and the Unionist leader all held talks with them too. The NI Secretary of State was negotiating with the IRA in the 70s. It was vital in the peace process.

The obvious difference is that Clinton and Blair held talks with all sides.

Corbyn only ever seems to be interested in one side of a peace process.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 08:36

thehorseandhisboy

That is adorable. I’m proud of him as well.

A person’s politics should not be a movable feast. He is clearly someone who believes deeply in a more equal society, and tried to take that message to the electorate. Ten million people agreed with him.

merrymouse · 14/12/2019 08:37

i think he is a negotiator

Again, he very clearly isn't.

Marleyisme · 14/12/2019 08:38

I dont think he is lovely or principled. I dont think he wants what's best. If he did, he would acknowledge that momentum and his support of them is ruining the labour party and he would leave, now.

Him staying is ridiculous.

He definitely isn't principled because he knew he was making promises he couldnt keep.

madeyemoodysmum · 14/12/2019 08:39

You say principled I say stubborn

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 08:39

He definitely isn't principled because he knew he was making promises he couldnt keep.

What promises couldn’t he keep?

x2boys · 14/12/2019 08:39

I think people need to stop blaming conservative for winning and start looking at why Labour didn't win even some Labour MP,s are saying Labour have lost their way , The town Leigh( local to me) voted conservative for the first time ever, it's traditionally a working class town always vote,s Labour so why is this?

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2019 08:42

10 million may have voted for him but he succeeded in creating massive swings to Cons across the country. Labour areas switching for the first time in decades.

That means he’s not the right person no matter if he’s nice or not. Momentum and Corbyn need to look at themselves over this.

They will never win, and Labour may well be finished completely if they don’t learn from this.

Marleyisme · 14/12/2019 08:43

He is clearly someone who believes deeply in a more equal society, and tried to take that message to the electorate. Ten million people agreed with him.

He believed in pulling people down to make it equal. While making things worse Except, where does he live? How much he is worth?

10 million people didnt agree with him. Plenty of people voted for labour because they wanted the Tories out. Many of those 10 million people voted labour, even though they dont like him. Same as plenty of Tories voters.

Besides that ONLY 10 million people agreed with him. That's not enough and its declining.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 08:43

x2boys

There are a number of reasons which may co-exist to varying extents in different constituencies. Trying to pinpoint one single reason is reductive. Brexit, the anti-semitism crisis, the influence of splintering candidates in some boroughs, the extent to which more affluent Labour voters wanted a redistributive model, people’s personal view of Corbyn, plus the actual candidate in their constituency.

I don’t blame the Tories for winning. I blame the people who elected them.

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2019 08:44

This tone deafness against what people are telling you, loudly, is a big problem for Labour.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 08:45

They agreed with him enough to vote for him. It’s the same at the other end; twelve million people - many of whom aren’t instinctive Tory voters - agreed with Johnson enough to vote for him. That’s politics. There is a core set of values and then some other stuff around that. Corbyn appealed enough to ten million people to secure their votes.

Bluntness100 · 14/12/2019 08:47

He believed in pulling people down to make it equal. While making things worse Except, where does he live? How much he is worth?

This. And he's a multi millionaire. He's not some bloke of the people are he portrays. He even tried to deny being worth millions didn't make him rich once when he was called out on it in an interview.

And yes his view was not how do we bring people up. It was how do we bring people down. That's his view of equality.

Littlemeadow123 · 14/12/2019 08:47

I support labour but can't stand Corbyn. I know loads of people who said that he was the reason they voted conservative - because they didn't trust him to manage a piss up in a brewery, let alone manage a country.

If he had just stepped down after one of his earlier failures then, while Labour might not have won, they might have had more seats and prevented Conservatives from getting complete control.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 08:48

And that’s good news for the left. Because if - as people will continue to insist - Corbyn was uninspiring, mendacious, tone-deaf, racist, pie in the sky and all the rest of it, there are still ten million people who agree with him on the fundamentals. That’s a place to start from.

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2019 08:48

Labour MPs said on door knocking Corbyn was the reason for a vote lost.

jcurve · 14/12/2019 08:48

But Labour didn’t win. Therefore it doesn’t matter if he secured one or ten million votes, the party is doomed to agitate ineffectively (given they’ve lost seats) from the opposition until the next election.

Can someone please explain why “being lovely and principled” is more important than winning an election? It’s like Labour are scared of actually being in power.

DonkeyHotty · 14/12/2019 08:48

YANBU OP, thank you for posting this. I started to doubt myself during this campaign, thinking I was the only mad person to actually like him. I admire his principles and I think the press has been absolutely heinous towards him, whilst allowing BoJo, who is a million times worse, to get away with anything.
He acted with decorum throughout debates and I thought his neutral stand on Brexit was absolutely the grown up thing to do; he said it was up to the people not him. It was right that he should listen to the many who still don’t want Brexit and have never wanted it. He was right to consider a second referendum because Brexit won so marginally (largely due to right wing media stirring over immigration) and because it was clear that a deal needed time to be worked out.

I really did think he was our hope. Unfortunately the bad guy won. It saddens me that the right wing media, controlled by billionaires who have everything to gain with Brexit, has so much power. It saddens me also that people were so quick to jump up and down and scream ‘Venezuela’ when they clearly have no idea of how a parliamentary democracy operates. How socialism can be seen as the big looming evil, when fascism is so much worse.

I will always admire him and I don’t care what anyone thinks about that.

CalamityJune · 14/12/2019 08:49

I voted Labour in a clearly unsuccessful effort to limit BJs majority.

I don't like either of them.

I voted despite JC. Definitely not because of him.

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2019 08:49

Church how can that be good news. He’s the wrong person to get anywhere near winning. Why do you want a leader that causes a huge swing against Labour?

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 08:50

jcurve

Of course it matters that ten million people agree with him. That many of those people are effectively unrepresented is a tragedy of our political system, but those people and their opinions still matter.

Winning isn’t more important than telling the truth, and I won’t bother dignifying that argument with more debate.

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