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To still like Jeremy Corbyn?

758 replies

malificent7 · 14/12/2019 06:59

I think it's right that he stepped down as the public clearly didn't get him...hated him even but i think he stands for the good in society. I actually think he is correctvto call out Israel for being bastards to Palestine and whilst ge apparently supports terroism ( ira), i think he is a negotiator ...the UK shafted Ireland hugely and the IRA is a consequence of that. We need people to negotiate with them.
I slso think remaining neutral on Brexit was the right thing to do but respecting the will of the people.

I don't hate Boris but he has got away with a lot. He has said many racist slurs, he hates women, he has multiple illegitimate children yet blames women, he switched sides re Brexit, oh and he's happy to trade with people like Saudi Arabia who have awful human rights. But apparently Jeremy is the bad one.

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CendrillonSings · 18/12/2019 14:29

I assume Tory HQ will soon be recalling agent Corbyn from his undercover role sabotaging Labour's election chances.

“Agent Cob: return to base, mission accomplished, repeat, mission accomplished”

“Agent Wrong-Daily: initiate Phase 2”

Grin
fascicle · 18/12/2019 17:44

Comefromaway
The biggest reason projects do not run to time is due to the client/QS changing things mid way through. Your average brickie/electrician/pipefitter has no control over this and deserves to be paid for waiting time if its not their fault.

Some research here on (costly and prevalent) delays in the Construction industry:

www.cornerstoneprojects.co.uk/index.php/delays-in-construction-projects/

in this research, the client is most often blamed for delays, but this does not quite stack up with the reasons given by participating companies for the delays. The point is, there is plenty of scope for improving efficiency, reducing wasted hours and wasted costs which could facilitate a reduction in working hours. Trades people must spend hours each week, waiting on site, either unable to do their job, or do it effectively, because of delays and issues with a project.

AuntSpiker · 18/12/2019 19:52

They'd be a sight more delayed waiting for deliveries because the lorry drivers are working a 30 hour week Grin

fascicle · 19/12/2019 14:23

Ah, you've picked another industry not known for its delays, where nothing can possibly be done differently. Wink

I wonder how many additional hours lorry drivers will be working/waiting when we leave the EU. Will EU regulations on driving fall by the wayside in attempts to cope with extra pressure on the industry?

CallmeAngelina · 20/12/2019 11:35

I think Jeremy Corbyn's petulant and rude behaviour in Parliament and leaving his home this week have highlighted one of the reasons why people don't like him. Slamming a car door in a reporter's face, regardless of how needling the questioning, is a sign that he can't control his emotions, and couldn't give a shit that it wasn't the reporter he was snubbing, but every member of the public watching the footage on TV. Or is that BBC bias?

SeaWitchly · 21/12/2019 21:14

The reporters were doorstepping Corbyn Angelina. The man has the right to leave his own home without this intrusion into his personal life (and of his family). Apparently he has repeatedly asked reporters not to approach him at home and said that he won’t answer their questions. The press are unnecessarily antagonist towards him whilst they let the Tories have a free pass.

bruffin · 21/12/2019 22:15

Oh come off it Seawitchly, he is like that a lot, He was really badly behaved in the audience of an OU debate back in 2013, huffing and puffing and sneering, because he didnt agree with the speaker

ferntwist · 21/12/2019 22:44

I like him a lot too. I feel a cosy warm glow from him. He’s a good guy. Boris Johnson is like that MP caricature Alan B’stard.

recrudescence · 21/12/2019 23:26

The press ... let the Tories have a free pass.

Which is why Johnson hid in a fridge? Or Rees-Mogg hid in Somerset for the whole of the election campaign? Because they thought the press wanted to give them a free pass?

koshkat · 22/12/2019 10:33

The press are unnecessarily antagonist towards him whilst they let the Tories have a free pass.

Such biased nonsense!

CallmeAngelina · 22/12/2019 11:04

The reporters were doorstepping Corbyn
They doorstep everyone! And if he wants to be rude and grumpy about it that's fine, but it hasn't served him well in the popularity stakes.

I feel a cosy warm glow from him. Hmm WTF?? Seriously???!!! There was more of a warm cosy glow from that fridge Boris hid in!

fascicle · 22/12/2019 12:23

recrudescence and koshkat
Would you like to explain (away) this weekly research on the election coverage, which consistently found much greater negativity towards Labour from newspapers?

Quote from fifth and final week's analysis of coverage:

This level of negativity towards Labour was far from ‘business as usual’. Press hostility to Labour in 2019 was more than double the levels identified in 2017. By the same measure, negative coverage of the Conservatives halved.

www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/general-election/report-5/

recrudescence · 22/12/2019 12:55

fascicle press hostility towards Labour doesn’t equal giving the Tories a ‘free pass’. Do you think Andrew Neill would have gone easy on Johnson if he had managed to secure an interview?

fascicle · 22/12/2019 18:38

Recrudescence Press = newspapers, not television. Free pass was not my term - but there undoubtedly was overall bias from the press. I have no doubt that Andrew Neil (and the BBC) would have treated Johnson the same as the others (they'd be in trouble if they didn't), which is why the interview was declined.

recrudescence · 22/12/2019 20:23

From the Cambridge dictionary:

Press = newspapers and magazines, and those parts of television and radio that broadcast news, or reporters and photographers who work for them.

Also, if you want to stop defending the term ‘free pass’ then that’s obviously fine by me.

fascicle · 22/12/2019 21:33

Recrudescence Press in the research linked above = newspapers rather than broadcast media such as television news. I was challenging your response to the free pass comment, rather than defending the comment per se. Perhaps you'd like to comment on whether you thought there was any bias in the election coverage in favour of/against any party? Or do you think there was a level playing field?

Chocpear · 23/12/2019 04:29

Although tv is not as blatantly biased as our press media (but people do feel the BBC political shows this election skirted close to the boundary of showing bias) someone pointed out that many of the tv political programmes have a ‘look at the paper headlines for tomorrow’ segment. With 80% of UK papers now owned by billionaires with professed right wing views and so press media is unbalanced (I think pre 80’s it was half half) then such tv segments amplifies their message too which is not helpful.

recrudescence · 23/12/2019 06:17

fasicle, press in the sense that I was using it included all news media. We’ll just have just have to differ about what the word press means. However, on the larger point, I fear we may be talking at cross purposes. Can I ask you what you understand by the term ‘to give a free pass’ in this context?

fascicle · 23/12/2019 13:35

recrudescence You're asking me a question although you haven't answered mine. Not sure how my definition of a free pass helps since it wasn't my term/the poster using the term may well have been engaging in hyperbole/I don't think the Tories did have a free pass. I do however think they had a much easier ride, which shouldn't come as any surprise, given the political leanings of the newspapers. I also think the Tories/Boris Johnson had an easier time from the public e.g. BJ exempting himself, with no obvious damage, from some of the scrutiny the other leaders faced in terms of one to one interviews and the Climate debate. I think a lack of scrutiny, plus successful social media campaigning, were perhaps as important as newspaper coverage in the Tories winning an election largely on soundbites and anti Labour sentiment. No doubt press coverage lays the foundations to receptiveness of the electorate to non press messages and campaigning.

noblegiraffe · 23/12/2019 13:51

All this whining about a biased press like the Left have a god-given right to positive coverage.

The press is always biased towards the right because they own it. Instead of crying about it and thinking that will make the blindest bit of difference, work your way around it. Led by Donkeys did a good job here.

The guy who ran the Labour electoral campaign on the Isle of Wight and gained votes for Labour said he was appalled at how poor the online campaigns were in vote-losing constituencies.

recrudescence · 23/12/2019 15:29

I don't think the Tories did have a free pass.

Then we are in absolute agreement. It was precisely the assertion that the press gave the Tories a free pass that I was objecting to upthread. I’m surprised to find now that you agreed with me all along.

fascicle · 23/12/2019 16:39

Then we are in absolute agreement.
I doubt it, but difficult to know with you asking but not answering questions and not commenting on what bias you think there is or isn't. Hostility, bias, free pass are essentially all points on the same continuum. The examples you gave earlier of a lack of free pass (fridge hiding, Rees-Mogg hiding, Andrew Neil dodging) are not necessarily evidence of a free pass. I think they were signs of a very controlled (very effective) campaign and had the hiding/dodging not occurred, there would still have been opportunity for Johnson and Rees-Mogg to make unforced errors through greater exposure.

fascicle · 23/12/2019 16:47

evidence of a lack of free pass

Dapplegrey · 23/12/2019 16:55

The man has the right to leave his own home without this intrusion into his personal life (and of his family)
Angelina the press doorstep anyone who is in the public eye. Do you think the practice should be completely stopped - or just not done to Jeremy Corbyn?

mencken · 23/12/2019 17:06

would be more prepared to sympathise with the door stepping if Corbyn had stopped the sheep-like bleating of 'oh Jeremy Corbyn' from his supporters. He just smirked so presume he likes it. Cake and eat it situation.