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Who wants to take a bet on what they will invite The People to bring back first?

217 replies

ReanimatedSGB · 13/12/2019 18:59

Workhouses or the death penalty? I can see the People's Government deciding that either or both would be a good way to further entrench their power...

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JacquesHammer · 14/12/2019 19:35

Omg, you still at it? You are coming across as downright unhinged now, sweetheart

My Tory MP is a fierce and vociferous supporter of the death penalty....

MyChristmasBauble · 14/12/2019 19:42

Oh please, these threads are so tedious.
And before you start with the ‘you don’t care about the poor etc’, why don’t you give some real consideration to why Labour didn't win? If they’re so great why weren’t people falling over themselves to vote for them? - please don’t use the usual pathetic excuses ‘right wing press’ etc etc.
Yesterday around 4pm I went into a pub in a working class town - the place was absolutely heaving with people who likely don’t earn very much. It wasn’t heaving because it was Christmas, it’s always that busy. But, the majority of people in this country are doing okay - not great - but okay. They don’t want Corbyn and his idealists to take that away from them - which would have surely happened if the LP had won.

cardibach · 14/12/2019 19:47

@Saucery have you even read what I posted about what 2 new Tory MPs are advocating? This was before the election. No disciplining. We can o ky assume this is ok with the party and the electorate...

cardibach · 14/12/2019 19:50

@MyChristmasBauble how on earth would that have been taken away from them by a Labour victory? You are the one being tedious and ridiculous. The policies would have benefitted everyone - even those on £80k+ who would pay more tax, because better public services improve everyone’s lives.

MyChristmasBauble · 14/12/2019 20:04

@cardibach
If that’s the case, my question still stands - why weren’t people falling over themselves to vote for the LP?
And what do you reckon would ultimately be the cost of all those better public services?

cardibach · 14/12/2019 20:10

@MyChristmasBauble
Brexit (mainly)
Media convincing people the manifesto wouldn’t work despite 163 economists saying it’s what the country needs
People not ‘getting’ Corbyn (can’t understand this myself, but accept it’s a factor)
Conservative lies. Repeated lies, picked up by BBC fact check But never made much of in the media.
Many factors. It’s still a fact those people you refer to would not have been harmed by Labour but will be by Brexit. Any Brexit, but particularly the hard/no deal one Johnson seems to be aiming for.

Bodyposiftw · 14/12/2019 20:28

Not content with having the fascis... err their party of choice winning , some Tory voters want the rest of us to start being happy about losing, to stop saying that we are gutted and worried.
If the Tories had lost I would be far too busy celebrating to lecture the disappointed losers about how they should shut up and accept that their party suck.
Who are you trying to convince? The campaign is over, you have won. It doesn't matter what the rest of us think.
It's almost like you feel you have to justify yourselves.

HeIenaDove · 14/12/2019 20:28

World In Action documentary from 1978 Working For A Pittance. Includes disabled people and the elderly.

HeIenaDove · 14/12/2019 20:30

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/foodbank-app-miriam-cates-mp-conservative-general-election-universal-credit-a9245901.html

A newly-elected Conservative MP has been criticised after it emerged she owns an app which charges foodbanks to include their shopping lists of needed items.

Miriam Cates, who won the seat of Penistone and Stocksbridge in South Yorkshire in Thursday’s election, and her husband Dave are behind the app called Foodbank.

Launched in 2014, the app allows individual foodbanks to register which particular items of food they need, so people keen to donate can ensure they purchase things actually needed by their local facility

However, any foodbank which wishes to sign up to the app must first pay a fee of £180, which the company says is to cover the cost of setting up the new charity within the app’s system.

Ms Cates’s defeated Labour opponent in Penistone and Stocksbridge, Francyne Johnson, said she was very concerned by how the Foodbank app sought to profit from food poverty

Gribbie · 14/12/2019 20:58

MPs that aren't posh twats but locals who people have put their faith in is a brilliant outcome to the election

Yeah, but no. Our new one has been helicoptered in from Kensington. Almost as far away as you can get. Can’t speak Welsh (57% of the constitution do). She’s going to love trying to fill the hole that EU money currently funds. Already one of the poorest regions, I am skeptical (understatement).

CendrillonSings · 14/12/2019 21:03

HelenaDove

Who is the MP for Kensington? Smile

Xenia · 14/12/2019 23:30

A Tory thankfully as the people there as elsewhere in most areas have made the best choice.

ReanimatedSGB · 14/12/2019 23:33

Actually, they have indicated who they are coming for first. An unpopular, misunderstood minority who 'ordinary' people can easily be persuaded to hate. Or at least not to consider standing up for, because any persecution of them is brought on by their own disobedience, their own insistence on being 'not normal'... so there's no need to be frightened, all you good children, only the naughty ones will be punished...

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MitziK · 14/12/2019 23:52

It's always the travellers and the disabled first.

HeIenaDove · 15/12/2019 01:34

@CendrillonSings You know the answer already.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/14/grenfell-tory-mp-kensington-tower-tragedy

After Grenfell, a Tory MP for Kensington is a bitter pill
Seraphima Kennedy

It is a bitter pill for the community in Kensington North to swallow. This morning, almost 30 months since the fatal fire at that killed 54 adults and 18 children, the general election returned a Conservative MP, Felicity Buchan, by just 150 votes. Buchan beat the incumbent, Emma Dent-Coad (who was herself elected with only a slim margin of 20 votes back in 2017, just days before the Grenfell Tower fire).

The residents of Kensington, whose council is still under investigation for corporate manslaughter, now have an MP from the party that rejected the recommendations that could have prevented Grenfell. That same party has also failed to get to grips with the scale of the cladding scandal since the fire. If anything, progress is going backwards: thousands remain in unsafe homes, and new figures released today show an increase in the number of tower blocks with Grenfell-style cladding.

Sam Gyimah was parachuted in but ran a tone-deaf campaign, delivering generic leaflets to still traumatised people
It is hard to see how such a candidate could be returned in a borough where 72 people died so recently, after their concerns about the building were repeatedly ignored. Blame for today’s result was levelled at an aggressive campaign by the Liberal Democrats, fielding newly converted Sam Gyimah, who had little to do with either Grenfell or Kensington before the election was called. Gyimah was parachuted in but ran a tone-deaf campaign, delivering generic leaflets to homes in north Kensington still traumatised by the fire and its aftermath
His campaign literature did not reference Grenfell or the long-term recovery plan, leading to strong criticism from residents. Instead, the campaign stuck to issues the Lib Dems thought would appeal to remain voters: Brexit, schools, the NHS. This was not so much an oversight as a catastrophic slap in the face for a community still working to rebuild. Gyimah himself repeated unfounded accusations about Dent-Coad’s role in the refurbishment at Grenfell, leading to an official complaint, and failed to understand the lived experience of the constituents he was trying to win over.
A swing of 9% to the Lib Dems in this strongly remain borough gave Gyimah more than 9,000 votes, splitting the vote. There were cries of “shame” as the results were announced early this morning – a far cry from the jubilant scenes that greeted Dent-Coad’s election in early June 2017, two weeks before the fire. With a Conservative MP now elected, there is significant concern about whether promised change in the borough will be delivered. This is a grave disservice to a community who has worked day and night to rebuild.

Outside of the north of Kensington, Buchan’s election is a devastating blow for families like mine, who rely on local services and have never felt represented in this borough. Overcrowding, lack of truly affordable housing, poor repairs, and cuts to schools, mental health facilities and other services have made many residents feel as though the change promised after Grenfell has not come.

In the summer of 2019, the government’s own Grenfell Independent Taskforce delivered its fourth report into the extent of changes happening at the council. It stated: “There is a strategic failure to present a coherent narrative on recovery and the progress and outcomes that have or will be delivered. This means that it is difficult for us, never mind the bereaved, survivors and wider community, to see whether the council is really delivering or not.” It also commented that some behaviours in public meetings from elected members were “unedifying”. This is the council, this is the culture.

If Buchan wants to last in Kensington, she will need to quickly familiarise herself with the commitments already given by council leaders, study the work set out in the Independent Taskforce reports, and deliver on promised change. The government itself has immediate work to do: it needs to get a grip on the remediation programme, make homes safe, and deliver on the recommendations in the Grenfell Inquiry Phase 1 report. Otherwise, the odds seem stacked against a community that has poured so much energy into the rebuild effort.

The residents of north Kensington need justice for their community. The bereaved and survivors continue to campaign for better services. They were ignored before the fire, and no matter what party their MP belongs to, their voices must be heard now. They have been promised change: that change must come.

• Seraphima Kennedy is a writer and academic researcher

Bodyposiftw · 15/12/2019 08:39

Now, now SGB.
Get over it.
Stop with hysteria.
Don't believe the Guardian.
Don't you know that our Prime Minister is a nice, decent ( all together now) one nation Tory.
Yeah, some people believe that.
It will all be fine.
And I mean really, never mind about the minorities. They can fuck off.

LaurieMarlow · 15/12/2019 08:56

My decision was influenced by my conviction that although it risked breaking the GF agreement, it seemed likely that it would break anyway, within a decade.

Well your decision was based on total bollocks then. While not perfect, the GFA was an amazing solution to a complex, 800 year old problem.

messolini9 · 15/12/2019 09:28

But, the majority of people in this country are doing okay - not great - but okay.

But @MyChristmasBauble - having a majority doing 'okay' does not make it 'okay' that a significant minority is anything but.
4 million UK children live in food poverty.
That is a direct result of policies driven by the Austerity con.

I'm not interested in what colour flag you wave.
I'm interested in reversing a hateful trend from the more extreme policymakers which demonises the poor, creates a sub-set of society that is never going to be 'okay', & gives the rest of us a free pass to look the other way because "we're all right Jack."

Who wants to take a bet on what they will invite The People to bring back first?
messolini9 · 15/12/2019 09:38

Oh please, these threads are so tedious.

No. Extreme, inescapable poverty is tedious. Mindnumbingly, ceaselessly tedious. Perhaps you've never tried it, but don't worry, even for those without the empathy to imagine what life is like for the terminally skint, there's plenty more of it coming our way, & plenty more opportunities to learn about it at first hand.

The difference between 'doing okay' & desperate poverty is not as wide as people tend to imagine. A large majority of us are only 3 payslips away from losing everything. Most people have no idea how fast & slippery the slide to joblessness & homelessness is. They had no idea that it could "happen to people like us" - until it did.

chomalungma · 15/12/2019 09:42

Yesterday around 4pm I went into a pub in a working class town - the place was absolutely heaving with people who likely don’t earn very much. It wasn’t heaving because it was Christmas, it’s always that busy. But, the majority of people in this country are doing okay - not great - but okay.

When someone says 'most people are doing okay', because of what they've seen on the high street and the pubs, they're aren't seeing those who aren't out. Those who can't afford to go out and spend.

It's hidden. By definition. You only have to hear some of the stories on here.
There is also a lot of debt. Personal debt. StepChange and other debt charities have seen an increase in referrals.

It doesn't take much for things to go pear shaped.

Maybe people who were doing 'alright' were scared by Corbyn.
I really hope that things get better for a lot of people in the UK who struggle with the cost of living in the UK.

We'll see.

madcatladyforever · 15/12/2019 09:44

What utter nonsense. Its the same on facebook, everyone who is not a Tory having utter hysterics and being quite ridiculous.

madcatladyforever · 15/12/2019 09:46

And before anyone shouts me down, I lived in abject poverty for years as a full time working single mum with 15% interest rates so everyone was losing their homes left, right and centre. I then went on to be no better off AT ALL under a labour government.
I'm doing quite well now thanks to persistence and my own hard work,

JacquesHammer · 15/12/2019 09:48

I'm doing quite well now thanks to persistence and my own hard work

Come on people with disabilities, you’re just not trying hard enough.

JacquesHammer · 15/12/2019 09:53

With regards to the OP, this is a quote from my MP’s website.

“ have "forfeited their right to live in society" and should face the death penalty”

messolini9 · 15/12/2019 10:13

What utter nonsense. Its the same on facebook, everyone who is not a Tory having utter hysterics and being quite ridiculous

Nonsense, you say, @madcatladyforever?
As much nonsense as your own hysterical conviction that only people who voted a certain way are not quite ridiculous?
"Everyone who is not a Tory" is quite a LOT of people to be having utter hysterics. You'd think the global media would have noticed that volume of mass hysteria, but no, no reports coming in.

Anyway, congratulations on your psychic powers in knowing how other people voted, & your idiotic sweeping statements. Good to know how much intelligence & critical analysis informed your own vote there. Well done.