Who wants to take a bet on what they will invite The People to bring back first?

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Workhouses or the death penalty? I can see the People's Government deciding that either or both would be a good way to further entrench their power...

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I'm not particularly politically well informed but I know enough to observe and feel the gradual edging of this country to the far right. Anyone who denies this is happening, is a liar, stupid, agrees with it or is sticking their fingers in their ears while singing la la la!

We Conservatives have no desire to bring back the death penalty.
What - none of you? Is this an official party statement @Xenia?

BJ is pretty liberal on many issues
Is he? - I did not know that & would like to learn more. Can you give me an example please, Xenia?

and this Tory party is very middle of the road.
Oddly, even Thatcher's successor disagrees with you there, as will be borne out by increasing numbers of the UK dispossessed over the next 5 years.

itis just the far left Labout party is just a bit cross at the moment as they lost.
Oh come off it this is pure reductive absurdism.
There is more than one party, & even in each party, more than one option for constructive, nuanced thought available.

I know all of us now do want to pull together and run the country both for those who voted Tory and everyone else.
You don't know that, it's not possible for anyone to know that, & it certainly isn't true. The current government wants to run the country without paying any attention to voters, whether they are fellow-Tories or otherwise. They will be running the country on behalf of bankers, the elite, & newspaper magnates.

"The British public is very sensible and voted for the better party."
The British public has been waiting for its collective hip operation for 3 years, & is understandably fed up. Far from being "sensible", it has now voted to stop waiting for the operation & cut its own legs off, because obviously it's much better to "Just Get It Done".

Fracking. The whole 'ban on fracking' thing Boris introduced a few weeks ago was so blatantly a punt for those votes and fair play he got them, but absolutely it will begin again. So transparent.

And I voted Tory.

'Get a life' is about the most moronic comment you could make on a thread where people are debating the future impact of said decision on their lives, individually and collectively. If you have 'a life' you might be able to find politics 'boring' as you will have more important things to worry about? Very good. Someone once told me to get a life because I roared at him for driving like a lunatic at school kick out time on the tiny lane next to my house/a primary school/a nursery (all within 300 yards of each other in a tiny village but he had a life apparently).

You would have thought some would have done some self reflection as to why Labour lost, looks like everyone else is just wrong though.

It worked well in the run up to Thursday.

I suggest you use those critical thinking skills you are clearly not engaging and maybe read past the headlines. It is obvious you are easily led by the media you consume.

Sigh - and there you go assuming I'm a Tory.

Ex Labour party member actually, who is fucking fed up to the back teeth of the fact that we on the left should have been shooting at an open goal in this election, instead of which we sky-ed it over the bar. Because of Corbyn. Because of Momentum. Because of endless vilification of people, who, in good faith, hold different political opinions.

And no, this country is not like Rwanda, or 60s China, or 30s Germany. Not yet anyway. (Incidentally, has the fragmentation of the left in late 20s/ early 30s Germany passed you by in your study of history? If the left hadn't torn itself apart, it wouldn't have created a power vacuum for Hitler to exploit.) When I look at social media and the news media (I make a point of regularly reading the Guardian, Times and Telegraph to get a sense of the spread of opinion out there) the authoritarian voices who scare the shit out of me are the ones on the far left who repeatedly take the line of "you're either for us or you're evil."

If you can't get your head round that, Messolina, you're going to be repeating the same mistakes Labour made in this election. It's like watching fucking groundhog day.

If you want a history lesson, the bit of history you should be paying attention to is the fact that Labour under Militant Tendency, made us unelectable for the whole of my teens/early twenties while the country had to put up with Thatcherism:

Corbyn and Momentum are repeating that particular bit of history in spades right now.

Workhouses, definitely. Though obviously under a different guise. It'll be a offered as a "solution"; to poverty, homesessness, struggling single parents. Way in the future, and we'll be groomed in the intervening years to accept the idea when it's mooted. Obviously, you'll be signing away many of your rights on entering and it'll be very difficult to escape from once in. Not literally, there may not be bars on the windows one would hope. It wouldn't be a surprise if, when you find yourself, due to lack of foresight and planning on your part, disabled, out of work, single parenting, homeless, then entering one of these institutions will be a condition of receiving benefits. Not that you'll receive benefits, but you'll be fed and you'll have somewhere to sleep and have constructive tasks to undertake, so it's all good.

Transitioning back to imperial currency probably wouldn't be as bad as you'd think. My DH is old enough to remember 'Decimal Day' in 1971 and says everyone was used to the new money within a matter of weeks.

Well, yeah.

Because switching from 12 pennies, in a shilling and 20 shillings in a pound (so 240 pennies per pound) to a system of 100 pennies per pound was piss-easy. That's why so many other nations have one.

Yet, despite this, how many people in 10 can work out 25% off £12.50 on the spot in a department store? Not as many as you'd hope. As for calculating the price of an item before VAT was added to it with an inconvenient rate like 17.5%? You can do that? Great, so can I.

Can you do it with a system of pennies, shillings and pounds, and do you fancy teaching your kids to do it?

Primary school teaching is gonna be even more fun!

The British public are very sensible.

Voted for Brexit based on Facebook adds and lies on the back of a bus. Just elected a Tory government on the same day that figures came out showing unprecedented emergency department waits. They make bad health decisions (I include myself in that, loads of us do) and misuse the NHS which puts it under even more pressure.

Sensible we are not. I have no faith in this country anymore.

Does nobody read / watch the Handmaid’s Tale or look at the news in the USA regarding abortion? You can never confidently say ‘that will never happen here’.

JamieVardy - I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting a return to LSD, I was just saying the process wouldn't be the massive upheaval one might expect.

It would be no bad thing if people were forced to get better at mental arithmetic and children were taught more complex forms of addition. Nowadays, in any event, most people have a calculator on their phones - whereas everyone managed until 1971, with no calculators to help them.

Manual 'decimal adders' were issued to help people adjust on 'D-day' - I've got an old one in my loft that my grandmother gave me - they were a sort of tally machine that you clicked.

The mental arithmetic of some people brought up to rely on calculators is shocking - importantly, they can't even 'sense check' a number to know whether it's plausible, they just trust what the calculator says. I'm not saying everyone is like that - this isn't a 'bash the young' comment - but before this era even people who are poor at maths (like me) were forced to learn the basics, but now, some just don't bother.

We Conservatives have no desire to bring back the death penalty

Utter bollocks...you dont speak for every conservative

'm not saying everyone is like that - this isn't a 'bash the young' comment - but before this era even people who are poor at maths (like me) were forced to learn the basics, but now, some just don't bother

Well - with all the extra investment in education, things are going to be great for our maths future in deprived areas.

Decimal adder:

School leaving age was 15 in 1971.

In the old era, there was much less taught to working class kids who weren't expected to achieve anything. This is a broad brush generalisation, but if you have 3 classes of 30 kids and it would be amazing if even 1 went to university, you don't need to bother keeping their options open to study medicine one day. There is a lot more time for arithmetic then.

A controversial view, but I don't think raising the school leaving age was the greatest of ideas. At my comprehensive school in the 80s, we wasted a lot of time while people of 14+ who didn't want to be there messed about and disrupted things, learning nothing and stopping others learning. They'd have been far better off leaving at 14 and getting jobs.

At least in my day people could leave at 16, so you could do your A-Levels in a sensible environment alongside others who genuinely wanted to work. Nowadays they make them stay on till 18 - senseless.

As for more people going to university - yes, they do, then most of them leave and get the same job in a call centre that they could have got at 16, because there are so many graduates and a large proportion of degrees nowadays don't really lead to anything. Meanwhile, schools are teaching people nonsense in preparation for this future, rather than focusing the basics, so you have graduates who might be very knowledgeable in a specialist subject, but can't express themselves in it with any articulacy, because the basics aren't there.

I can see that argument, but what jobs are there for 14 year olds where you wouldn't care what qualifications they didn't have.

Also, in my experience, I notice that there are so many intelligent, articulate working class women born in the 50/60/70s who have gone through life thinking of themselves as thickos because they left at 15 or because they did CSEs.

Apprenticeships would be the ideal answer for 14 year olds, so they could learn on the job and gain industry qualifications.

I'm not sure what the regulations are nowadays but in my youth, you could get a Saturday job at 14 - I had friends who worked in high street shops, for example - there'd have been no reason why they couldn't have done that full time and again, with the right support, it could eventually lead to a proper career in retail through the paths of management, marketing, buying etc.

The system is too blinkered nowadays with the idea that academic qualifications are the only route to a career and everyone has to stay in education as long as they can - presumably so that unemployment figures look better.

Sigh - and there you go assuming I'm a Tory.

Where are you inferring that from @BarbaraStrozzi, because I did not assume any such nonsense.

I assumed nothing about your personal politics - I merely stated that you had triangulated a position on behalf of the OP, in your assumption & statement that she must be a far-left voter.
Party flag colour aside - just as you are maintaining was done to you, by me.

Except I didn't - but you did.

@BarbaraStrozzi
(Incidentally, has the fragmentation of the left in late 20s/ early 30s Germany passed you by in your study of history? If the left hadn't torn itself apart, it wouldn't have created a power vacuum for Hitler to exploit.)
Not in the least, & all excellent points. I've had sleepless nights over Balkanisation since 2016.

And no, this country is not like Rwanda, or 60s China, or 30s Germany. Not yet anyway.
No disagreement with your "not yet", but only in the unlikely event that we collectively learn from history lessons. Those examples were to show how 'easy' it is to galvanise populations into division, hate, & visiting atrocities (whether this takes the form of bodies piled in the street or the far more British bureaucratic method) upon a successfully 'Othered' section of society.

If you can't get your head round that, Messolina, you're going to be repeating the same mistakes Labour made in this election. It's like watching fucking groundhog day.
You're right, it is.
Fucking depressing - & thanks, I have no problem with getting my head round it, only with your continued assumption of how other people may have voted ... I won't be repeating Labour's mistakes, as 1) I'm not responsible for their policy making & 2) haven't supported them since Corbyn's refusal to triangulate against the Leave position.

Apart from that, thanks Barabara - I enjoy the way your mind works, & how you bother to keep yourself informed so you don't need to fall back into the type of knee-jerk received opinions so prevalent on this thread. {NOT SARCASM}

Nowadays they make them stay on till 18 - senseless.

But it keeps them off the Offical Unemployment Figures @ScreamingValalalalahLalalalah. A very sensible option for some, depending on their political motivations.

That reminds me. I was so cross that the Labour party as a whole didn't get behind the AV referendum. The short-term thinking fools. What would the political landscape look like today if it had passed?

oooops cross-post Scream, apologies.

Agree with you about Apprenticeships. I wish we would invest heavily in this area.

Apprenticeships would be the ideal answer for 14 year olds

Fucking hell. Whats started out as, i assume, a light hearted thread on what bad thing the Tories will bring back has descended into people actual suggesting a return of child labour would be a good idea.
And people have the nerve to tell the op to stop being ridiculous and get a life....

"Rickets"

Rickets is already back:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/rickets-symptoms-and-treatment_uk_5c751e8ae4b0bf16620310a8