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Who wants to take a bet on what they will invite The People to bring back first?

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ReanimatedSGB · 13/12/2019 18:59

Workhouses or the death penalty? I can see the People's Government deciding that either or both would be a good way to further entrench their power...

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ColleysMill · 14/12/2019 14:50

If anyone ever gets chance, Southwell workhouse (Notts) is currently run by the National Trust and is well worth a visit.

I have to say I find it bleak reminder of harsher days gone by and was used into the 1970s for social housing.

ReanimatedSGB · 14/12/2019 15:02

The return of proper apprenticeships (for 16+, not for children) would be no bad thing - the idea used to be that you learned a skilled trade that you had at least some interest in or aptitude for and, once you had learned a sufficient amount of it, you moved up a level and got paid more.
Fucko's crew might implement more 'apprenticeships' but they would be more of what already exists - unpaid labour for large, profitable corporations, minimal training and no job at the end of your term, just back on your bike to make room for the next influx of unpaid labour...

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MitziK · 14/12/2019 15:10

Foxhunting.

not that it's ever really gone away

MitziK · 14/12/2019 15:22

After foxhunting ('regenerating the rural economy, tradition, etc, etc') then post Brexit if they manage to do it there will be a huge deficit in agricultural workers.

Easy solution. Put the unemployed to work in the field picking cauliflowers, packing potatoes, etc. They'll need accommodation, so stick a few portacabins on a disused army base, nice and near to agricultural land, take them out to the fields, bring them back for food.

Because they won't want to get cold and wet doing backbreaking labour otherwise, make it conditional for receiving benefits. Of course, they still need to 'pay their way' with regards to the accommodation, transport and food they'll be getting, so a deduction is made to reflect the costs involved. Especially when a number of large companies get involved with managing the premises and logistics inherent with the operation.

As people might get sick or injured but wouldn't be able to access a local GP easily in such a location, thoughtfully provide staff onsite who can treat and spot the malingerers. ATOS have a wide selection of Healthcare Professionals experienced in working with the sick and disabled and would appreciate the opportunity, along with Capita, to provide the IT systems and personnel to make this possible for just the cost of a ten year contract or so.

They could use Iain Duncan Smith's phrase (used when discussing benefits on TV) as a tagline for the labour camps top quality accommodation provided to the workers.

Work Makes You Free.

NameChangeNugget · 14/12/2019 15:23

Why is Tony Blair, the only elected Labour PM in the last 50 years?

ethelfleda · 14/12/2019 15:25

Is Jacob Rees-Mogg capable of salivating? He looks so dry he's practically desiccated

I love this sentence

ScreamingValalalalahLalalalah · 14/12/2019 15:58

a return of child labour would be a good idea

What is wrong with 14 year olds working - if that's what they'd prefer to school. Much better to have them doing something useful for which they feel motivated, and can gain technical qualifications on the job - rather than messing around in a classroom causing disruption because their skills and talents are practical rather than academic and they are understandably bored. Again, I don't know what the rules are nowadays but when I was young, 14 and 15 year olds used to work on Saturdays and school holidays - as the cliche goes, it never did us any harm.

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 14/12/2019 16:36

In general, 14-year-olds "prefer" a lot of stuff, including the opportunity to limit their lifelong opportunities for the sake of having money in their pocket right now. 14 is too young to choose.

What happened when the age was lower was that kids from poor families felt obliged to leave education and get low paying jobs to help the family. Particularly girls. Meanwhile, the middle classes and above didn't let their kids limit their future, no way Jose.

Back in modern life, those kids messing around, being disruptive pains in the arse? I'm not convinced employers want them either. They will just end up fired. The kids with Saturday jobs in my day weren't disruptive mess-abouts who suddenly transformed personality on the weekend. They were the hard-working, respectful and responsible kids at school, just currently somewhere else.

cosima1 · 14/12/2019 16:57

The Brexit Party will have to find themselves a new focus. What will they do? Hmm? They could campaign for a referendum on capital punishment. I reckon that one could be a goer among “The People”. I know posters are joking, but I think that result would be very similar to the Brexit vote.

ReanimatedSGB · 14/12/2019 17:38

Agreed. Or they might try to impose some form of segregation - they could really mobilise the lightly-racist on that one.

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Bloomburger · 14/12/2019 17:48

God Mumsnet is getting seriously deranged. Having Tory MPs in seats they have never held before, MPs that aren't posh twats but locals who people have put their faith in is a brilliant outcome to the election. Things will start to change for the better for communities who have had labour MPs doing fuck all for years.

CendrillonSings · 14/12/2019 17:59

The Conservatives just gained a higher share of the vote than Tony Blair did in 1997, and are the only party in modern history to have gained seats (and an awful lot of them!) after a decade in power.

Reflecting on why that happened might be more productive than mindless smears, but suit yourself.

DisorganisedOrganiser · 14/12/2019 18:08

I’m not joking. I think too if there was a referendum on capital punishment then it would be very close. Likewise on the reduction or even the outlaw of abortion.

FriedasCarLoad · 14/12/2019 18:13

FriedasCarLoad
Did you read any Irish history?
I did, (knew nothing about it before) and voted Remain

I didn’t read any in-depth Irish history, although some which was included in writing about the implications for NI of Brexit.

For many years I was in a group of friends which included a descendant of a founder member of the IRA and two Northern Irish Protestants. There was no shortage of discussions, so I was aware of the valid grievances of each side.

It was my biggest concern about Brexit (bigger than a possible economic crash).

My decision was influenced by my conviction that although it risked breaking the GF agreement, it seemed likely that it would break anyway, within a decade.

I hoped that better minds than mine would find a solution, and believed that - overall - the U.K. would be better out than in, in the long term. Perhaps in the medium term, not in the short term. I voted against my own interests but according to my convictions and my assessment of what was in the interests of my grandchildren’s generation (some way off, as I only have a toddler!).

messolini9 · 14/12/2019 18:14

Or they might try to impose some form of segregation
Do you feel we've already started on that one, Reanimated?

The pre-official demonising has been going on for years. Boris - & his ilk, this is a cross-party phenomenon - has already begin the process of endorsing the spirit of bigoted mean-mindessness with the casually racist, sexist & snobbish remarks he refuses to apologise for. It continues with the fudged employment stats, taxpayer-funded (WTC) cheap workforce for the corporates, modern slavery, hostile environment for our disabled folk, & impossible hoop-jumping for the less advantaged benefit-claiming jobseeker.

We are well on our way to some form of Undeserving Poor, a class of untouchables who can be blamed for everything & will be the most likely candidates for stuff like the stealth introduction of a modern workhouse system discussed upthread; will be the 'reason' that austerity must be further embraced (as obviously poverty is caused by the feckless poor, not imposed by fiscal policy); & then further stigmatised by some indicator of segregation such as appearing on Jeremy Kyle compulsory & easily identifiable uniform while in receipt of shelter & work from that system. If hanging comes back, guess which 'class' will offer up the most fodder for a televised Bread & Circuses, to keep the baying masses entertained, & more importantly, fixated on the suffering of those 'beneath' them rather than the cruelty & disdain of those 'above'?

@MitziK - well said @ Sat 14-Dec-19 15:22:58
The only New! Improved! feature I can proffer dates back to the oldest profession. Find some way of ensuring that instead of even a meagre subsistence wage being earned, the inmates Candidates For Life Enhancement are sneakily charged for essentials, & thus lock 'em in for life. Hurrah! - an endless supply of indentured whores, bending over for the elite to ... but you get my drift.

FriedasCarLoad · 14/12/2019 18:19

I’m not joking. I think too if there was a referendum on capital punishment then it would be very close. Likewise on the reduction or even the outlaw of abortion.

I think the figures on capital punishment were close 20 years ago but are now fairly heavily against it. I can imagine that could quickly change, for example if a referendum were held in the wake of a Jamie Bulger type case.

Abortion? Nope. I’m pretty sure it’s a single digit percentage in favour of banning abortion altogether. Much higher for lowering the upper age limit, of course.

messolini9 · 14/12/2019 18:21

Having Tory MPs in seats they have never held before, MPs that aren't posh twats but locals who people have put their faith in is a brilliant outcome to the election. Things will start to change for the better for communities who have had labour MPs doing fuck all for years.

Yeah, come back to us on that one @Bloomburger. We're all rooting for community-friendly policies, but really? - from a Johnson-led administration, & the "posh twats" he favours for ministry?

No matter how committed, involved & dedicated a local MP may be, she can't help anyone without funds. Again - come back to us & let us know when the current administration starts releasing funds for the common weal, won't you?

DisorganisedOrganiser · 14/12/2019 18:33

Frieda’s that is slightly reassuring about abortion at least, thank you.

HoHoHoik · 14/12/2019 18:43

@ethelfleda

Is Jacob Rees-Mogg capable of salivating? He looks so dry he's practically desiccated

I love this sentence

Know when you've got a blacked nose so end up mouth-breathing all night and you wake up with a mouth like leather and your tongue and lips sort of dry-glued to your front teeth? That feeling right there? That's how I imagine it feels to kiss JRM. Your lips would sort of just stick to his, like bare skin on a pleather sofa.

His poor wife.

HoHoHoik · 14/12/2019 18:44

Blacked - blocked

Hmm thanks for that, autocorrect

cardibach · 14/12/2019 19:05

Easy solution. Put the unemployed to work in the field picking cauliflowers, packing potatoes, etc. They'll need accommodation, so stick a few portacabins on a disused army base, nice and near to agricultural land, take them out to the fields, bring them back for food
@MitziK this has already been suggested by one of the lovely people elected as new Tory MPs. Labour camps

cardibach · 14/12/2019 19:15

There’s also the one who advocated paying disabled people less on top of being investigated for both antisemitism and Islamophobia.
I really don’t think anybody can suggest the OP is being hyperbolic or overly dramatic in wondering what horrors this lot might suggest.

ReanimatedSGB · 14/12/2019 19:25

@messolini9 Yeah, I do think it's started. In fact, the next thing they will probably do is copy Trump's policy on refugees and intern the lot. Moving very, very swiftly to the likes of the Windrush generation, and a random selection of people who happen to be black or brown but didn't have their birth certificates on them when either a bored racist copper decided to stop and search them or a spiteful neighbour decided to draw attention to the fact that they 'looked foreign'. Not too many at first, of course. Just enough to keep the rest scared and compliant... They might even let the odd one out again with some performative handwringing about mistakes and lessons to be learned.

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RaiseaGlasstoFreedom · 14/12/2019 19:30

Bloom I agree and this is one of reason why I am totally against tribal voting!

Imagine how much harder all mps would work if there was no safe seats anymore!

Saucery · 14/12/2019 19:33

Omg, you still at it? You are coming across as downright unhinged now, sweetheart.