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Will the UK now accept the vote

559 replies

Gin96 · 13/12/2019 10:16

And move on with a united country, can we stop bickering and accept what people have voted for?

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RhinoskinhaveI · 13/12/2019 11:55

What is it that people aren't willing to accept?
Are you saying that the result wasn't legitimate, or is it that you can't accept that your side lost?

No one likes to be on the losing side but we live in a democracy and this was a clear result, surely we have no choice but to accept it?

TheGirlFromStoryville · 13/12/2019 11:55

I voted Leave and also Conservative.

I hope that Labour manage to regroup and once again become a strong opposition party as that's important to hold the government to account.

If remain supporters wish to campaign to rejoin then that of course is their prerogative but hopefully we can make a success out of leaving the EU.

Magnificentbeast · 13/12/2019 11:56

I still don't know what Brexit will actually look like. One of the many reasons I voted to remain. That in itself makes it difficult for me to 'move on'. I can only hope that it goes well - ha!

I accept last night's result in as much as there's not a lot I can do about it. However, I am genuinely struggling to see the positives of another 5 years of a Conservative government and of leaving the EU.

I think @alexashutup sums things up well for me.

Snowdropfairy85 · 13/12/2019 11:58

**IHateBlueLights

The campaign to rejoin the EU starts the moment we leave.

With luck the leavers will die off. Deeply ashamed of my generation.**

I seriously can’t believe this is the way some people talk!!!! You hope people who exercised their democratic right to vote die because you don’t agree with them? All you hear is how leave voters are “vile” people, yet it’s acceptable for you to say things like that? Staggering!

Magnificentbeast · 13/12/2019 11:59

@thegirlfromstoryville your thoughts are appreciated in a sea of anti-Labour negativity. This kind of more balanced view gives me some hope.

FrancisCrawford · 13/12/2019 12:00

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JacquesHammer · 13/12/2019 12:01

Yeah not particularly interested in being united with a great number of parts of the country.

MangoStone · 13/12/2019 12:01

they are perfectly good reasons and need to be respected.

With respect, many reasons given are not good reasons.

Wanting to control immigration when immigration will increase post Brexit when we have to accept terms for a trade deal with eg India.

Wanting to control immigration is not a good reason anyway - immigration brings us a net economic gain so why vote to be poorer? Why do people want fewer immigrants when they contribute so much?

Controlling our borders when we could do that in the EU but choose not to.

Wanting to make our own laws when we do that anyway for most of them and have a say and a veto as an EU member state. If we want a trade deal with the EU we will have to accept certain laws and regulations. Only we won't have any say in what those laws and regulations are any more.

Pumperthepumper · 13/12/2019 12:03

What is it that people aren't willing to accept?
Are you saying that the result wasn't legitimate, or is it that you can't accept that your side lost?

@RhinoskinhaveI you still haven’t explained your landslide comment. It’s almost like you don’t know what you’re talking about, but surely you wouldn’t embarrass yourself by goading people over issues you don’t understand?

goodluckdontdie · 13/12/2019 12:06

I’m currently looking at other citizens like they’re aliens. I don’t understand what’s going through their heads

This is exactly how Conservative supporters feel about Labour voters and what goes in in their heads

This is exactly how I feel about Conservative AND Labour voters!

MockersFactCheckMN · 13/12/2019 12:10

We will leave the EU. It's a one-way turnstile and we're never getting our rebates and opt-outs back.

Brexit is far from done. We have a withdrawl agreement but not a trade deal. There will not be a trade deal negotiated in a year, unless it is full EEA/Single Market and BJ shafts the Moggsters.

We absolutely need a close trading relationship with the EU with no tariffs and strong regulatory alignment. We cannot sell into the EU and not be bound by EU rules. This is reality.

LeithWalk · 13/12/2019 12:11

United - no, because even those who have swapped to the conservatives won't get the support they need. What happens then, more division?

BJ has a lot to live up to -just what are the Conservatives going to be able to offer some of our working class communities who have supported them? I really don't get it? ( and I'm from such a community).

I work in education, I hear the BJ sound bites about more money for the education system - however I know the reality of that additional money - half of my LA's schools are in deficit, including academies - 'billions' promised to educate your children? - no not at all - inflation, increasing numbers of children, a huge chunk of those 'billions' gone, the figure is soon reduced massively. Why would I expect that to be any different in the NHS, that those sound bites aren't the reality.

I hope working class northeast, that you can contribute to your local school in time or money; many more affluent areas are supporting their schools through monthly parent 'donations' to buy new reading books, paint and paper; through PTA fund raising, through sponsorship. Those schools can offer their pupils more, can yours? can you pay every month for your children to go to school...or do your children not deserve that equal chance?
( or maybe this is what this is about - inequality will breed children without options, without hope, children who don't even expect to make a difference as they grow up)
I will accept this is what 'the country' wanted - however I don't want to be part of it - respect, moral purpose, sense of community, care for each other, children educated to be good citizens, that's what I want.

I'm sad to be living in a country that I have no respect for, where the values are just not mine. I feel uncomfortable and an outsider.

I will be trying to take my professional skills elsewhere.

RhinoskinhaveI · 13/12/2019 12:15

Pumper, are you saying that 'landslide' is not an appropriate metaphor?
I'm not sure what it is you want me to explain?
please explain

Milkandhoney123 · 13/12/2019 12:16

We want to control our borders
We want to control immigration
We want to make our own laws in our own country
We want to decide our own future, and not have it inflicted on us from the EU

????????????????
We already do all of those things within the EU.

The only land border we have is with Ireland. Putting back a hard border there risks bringing about the end of the Good Friday agreement.

Freedom of movement within the EU has brought huge benefits to UK citizens which will now be lost. Most EU migrants who've come here work hard, pay taxes and are net contributors to the public purse. They are now leaving in droves as their own countries get more prosperous and they don't feel welcome here. Our own citizens have not grabbed the chance to do the jobs that the migrants were doing, so our economy is already suffering.

Non-EU immigration is not affected by belonging to the EU, in spite of what some Leave supporters appear to believe, so that won't change as the NHS and many other employers desperately need overseas workers.

Any trade deal we are able to secure with the EU will leave us having to comply with EU legislation but having no voice to influence it. What a triumph.

The UK is a rich country but it's nothing like as powerful as the US or China, so trade deals with those countries are going to favour them, not us. It's obvious sense that allying ourselves with our European neighbours and making joint trade deals gives us more power.

I don't understand the Leave position and I never have.

Gasp this is the best summary I have read so far. I wish more people had the same mindset.

MangoStone · 13/12/2019 12:16

You never know, maybe there will be a trade deal with EU that includes immigration for EU citizens as one of the terms and then the same for other countries like India and China.
Freedom to negotiate trade deals is one of the pluses of Brexit right?

I am looking forward to lots of new immigrants making our country and culture richer 👍

And aligning to EU law without a right wing British government fucking things up with a veto 🇪🇺

Notodontidae · 13/12/2019 12:17

When we first joined the EU it developed from then on over the years, unfortunately it developed into the UK, losing control of manufacturing, laws, and especially losing control of our borders. If it was so good before, why have we endured so much austerity. Some drivers do not overtake other cars for fear of the unknown, those of us that do often enjoy a clear road ahead. Democracy was restored last night, everyone should be happy.

MockersFactCheckMN · 13/12/2019 12:18

It may finally dawn that when you are small and negotiate with someone big, be it the EU or USA, you get what you're given and say Thank You, Sir.

RhinoskinhaveI · 13/12/2019 12:18

I will be trying to take my professional skills elsewhere
Understandable Leith walk, but what are your options, is there a country that shares your values and where you won't feel like an outsider?

Pumperthepumper · 13/12/2019 12:19

Pumper, are you saying that 'landslide' is not an appropriate metaphor?
I'm not sure what it is you want me to explain?
please explain

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. You said it was a landslide vote to leave the EU. It wasn’t. Explain to me why you think it was.

Unusualsuspicion · 13/12/2019 12:19

It was a landslide victory under our current fptp system but not in numbers terms rhino. Only 45% of voters who went to the polls yesterday voted for the Tories or Brexit party. That is not a majority of the country believing in either Brexit or the Tories (luckily.)

OrangeSlices998 · 13/12/2019 12:20

@Notodontidae We have austerity because of who we have had in power for 9 years. Nothing at all to do with being in the EU and everything to do with the policies and attitudes of a Tory government.

Quartz2208 · 13/12/2019 12:21

Accepting something does not mean I have to support or like it or remotely united behind it. Brexit has already caused decline in my industry and cuts have ready been made by offshoring work to India and the Philippines

The best case scenario I can see is surviving a tricky 3-4 years before it evens out and is back to what it was before

I don’t think Brexit will solve much and if it does it will solve yesterday’s issues. We are entering a new decade whose problems cannot be solved by Brexit

MangoStone · 13/12/2019 12:21

If it was so good before, why have we endured so much austerity.

FFS educate yourself - austerity is a Conservative party policy!

RhinoskinhaveI · 13/12/2019 12:21

Pumper, explain to me why you think it wasn't a landslide
thanks 😊👍

Blacksackunderthetreesfreeze · 13/12/2019 12:21

This is why we needed a second referendum and not a GE. With a GE we can’t say for sure what people were voting for!