Will the UK now accept the vote

[Gin96]

And move on with a united country, can we stop bickering and accept what people have voted for?

PS
I am actually in favour of the boundary review and the reduction in the number of seats

so long as there is also a 2 out 1 in rule in the house of Lords to get it down to 600 seats

and a bit of PR will give the whole country a better voice

@Whizbang
The NHS thing was a specific point to do with one poster who said they were expecting that the new govt would invest in the NHS. (That's how I know what this person's priorities were.) What they actually said was I’m standing by for Johnson to cash inject the NHS. He may well deliver on this.

I believe when I said blinkered it was in reference to some of the people on the thread, not conservative voters in general.

I don't mind being challenged! I try to keep my language calm so that everyone can feel ok about the discussion.

Listening I too am in favour of the boundary reviews - but not under FPTP.

Listening - tha is for the links. Interesting to read the different types of PR. I think one of them (STV) is similar to AV. I do think elecotel reform is very much needed. Current government wont put that through though.

Thanks for clarifying MangoStone, I misunderstood who you were referring to. My bad.

I think Cameron has a large amount of blame. He was arrogant to think he could just win the remain campaign like he did with then Scottish referendum.
He didn’t listen to people’s concerns over the EU and showed complete disregard.
He didn’t even admit that he would ever veto Turkey joining the EU, if it ever came into it.
I think most people would have been happy with a reformed EU.
Cameron’s complete arrogance and failure address people’s concerns caused a lot of this.

Agree a lot of this mess is at Cameron's door.

If the UK had had PR, then Cameron could have let Farage get his 15 seats and then ignored him.
But Cameron was arrogant and stupid
an argument over 15 Tory seats has broken the country
and will continue to do so when the true impact of Brexit bites

Thing is, jedijim, Cameron couldn't really 'listen to people's concerns over the eu' without admitting all the stuff mentioned above; that he could have controlled immigration but chose not to, that we do set our own laws etc etc.

When you've twisted popular opinion enough that people are voting Conservative to get rid of the EU's austerity policies (see above), that's a tough habit to kick

Agree a lot of this mess is at Cameron's door.

The pig nonce (allegedly).*

*not mine.

Agree with Cameron - also agree it was in part because the Remain Campaign wasnt run well partly because I think the EU had been used as a bogeyman for so long, something to blame when in effect the blame lay at the feet of themselves. Our immigration policy for example is different to other European Countries. Which is why I find the whole idea that somehow leaving will be better is laughable.

I also think his arrogance was failing to understand the left leave vote. I think they balanced out the right wing vote and (rightly) worked out that they could win it. Forgetting the Labour leave contingent.

I do wonder though how they can handle it now - there is no hiding place they have a huge majority and once we leave how can we still blame Europe - although maybe they will still find a way

We are where we are, Cameron and his cronies failed on the EU issue. Boris Johnson saw this as an opportunity to campaign to leave and probably was as shocked as the rest of Wesminster that 52%voted leave. Hence why BoJo is our PM.
It probably sounded like I’m a Boris fan from earlier posts- I’m not actually although I don’t have a strong opinion either way. I’m just being optimistic- the UK has to leave, it’s entangled in bitterness to carry on avoiding it.
People on here are of the opinion that Boris is a liar and cannot be trusted. I completely get that, but at the end of the day we can’t change this. I’d rather hold him to account as a Prime Minister than as a personality. It’s his political character that we should focus on, not his person life.
Let’s remember that Bill Clinton was a popular President. Yet he slept with a White House office intern ( a much younger woman young enough to be his daughter) and then lied about it. He still kept his job and seems to have gotten away with it to a certain extent.
I would like to have stayed in a reformed EU, where immigration had some control and we could pass UK laws.
The Remain campaign was one of UK politics biggest failure’s. Cameron and even Theresa May should be ashamed of themselves.

Apologies for all the poor grammar in my posts! Blinking predictive text!

'If the bloody diehard Remainers would just shut up and accept a Democratic result, there might be some chance.'

But you don't want people to just shut up, you want them to paste smiles on their faces and pretend to be happy about this disaster, and you can't tell people how to feel about something.

And the fact is, it looks very much like people are viewing leaving the EU as some kind of universal panacea, which will solve all the problems. They're about to be very disappointed.

The leavers spent 25 years trying to damage the uk relationship with the Eu, trying to blame the Eu for anything and everything with newspaper articles they wrote that they have since acknowledged were just lies. They complained about Eu regulation whilst refusing to actually contribute to the debates that led to the regulation

So expecting retainers to smile about it is really quite insulting . Leavers did not work to make the Eu a success so don't expect remainders to fix your mess

please excuse my spelling which has led to some interesting auto corrected words.

Not so much about Johnson or the EU result, but Labour have been an abysmal opposition for almost ten years.
Despite all the dislike on here for example, regarding the Tories and austerity, let’s remember that a lot of damage had been done by 2015 with five years of cuts, yet Cameron returned with a small majority.
My point is ,that Labour could have got back in power in both 2015 and 2017 and failed despite the austerity imposed by Cameron.
Corbyn could have stepped down two years ago and Labour could have had a fresh leader.
I also think that John McDonnell is a nasty piece of work.

where immigration had some control and we could pass UK laws.

but we already do have some control and a lot of our laws are UK .We have a completely different legal system (common law based rather than civil code based) and in terms of UK law vs EU law in reality it could be as little as 15% is EU law up to 55% but it is agreed that in reality we have control over at least half (if not more) and those we dont many will need to be followed with trade agreements anyway. T

Its this David Cameron pretty much forgot to say!

That’s what I meant. Cameron didn’t convince people enough about the EU and UK debate.

Thing is, immigration is a good thing. The more, the better. I now tend to think that anyone who whines about immigrants is either thick or vicious. Because we do have room for more people to come and live in the UK. And because the vast majority of people who move here contribute far more than they take. (To the gene pool as well as to the economy). And ALL our economic problems are down to the greedy rich, not people who were born elsewhere, or born here but born poor.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-redrawing-political-rulebook-21097053

I really do wonder what people will blame for their problems once they can no longer blame the EU. ..which was never the cause of their problems in the first place.

which was never the cause of their problems in the first place

Surely it depend on the problem????

Well, what problems that we (or people who voted Leave then and Conservative now) have are down to the EU? Rather than down to austerity and rightwing con artists?