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Will the UK now accept the vote

559 replies

Gin96 · 13/12/2019 10:16

And move on with a united country, can we stop bickering and accept what people have voted for?

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viccat · 13/12/2019 11:17

Perhaps 'accept' in a sense that Brexit is inevitable now... However why should anyone who believes staying in the EU is better for the country change their minds just because others hold a different view?

I think the approx half-half split won't go away...

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 13/12/2019 11:18

I accept that there’s a thumping Conservative majority and that gives Johnson the mandate to deliver the things in his manifesto.

I will never accept Brexit and will fight to ensure the Conservative Party are the ones held responsible for the outcome of us leaving the EU.

I would support a campaign to rejoin the EU once we have left, even though the terms will be nowhere near as good as the current arrangements.

This is exactly how I feel too.

DowntownAbby · 13/12/2019 11:19

@Considermesometimes

I agree completely. Scotland's economy is not viable without England supporting it.

It would not be allowed to join the EU independently as the deficit is far, far above what's allowed.

The only way it could overcome that is by slashing public services.

Who's going to vote for that?

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 13/12/2019 11:20

But only 43.6% of the country voted for the tories. So there is no unity.

The majority voted for parties standing on a remain or second referendum manifesto.

I will put up with the election result but don't imagine I support this government.

Poetryinaction · 13/12/2019 11:20

In answer to the OP. Yes, I think we have to accept it. I am an ardent remainer but this is a democracy. It is extremely sad to be leaving the EU. But I guess we have to accept that the majority of British voters are too stupid to realise that. I accept that I live in a broken country led by an awful man, and there is nothing I can do about it.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/12/2019 11:21

We want to control our borders
We want to control immigration
We want to make our own laws in our own country
We want to decide our own future, and not have it inflicted on us from the EU
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We already do all of those things within the EU.

The only land border we have is with Ireland. Putting back a hard border there risks bringing about the end of the Good Friday agreement.

Freedom of movement within the EU has brought huge benefits to UK citizens which will now be lost. Most EU migrants who've come here work hard, pay taxes and are net contributors to the public purse. They are now leaving in droves as their own countries get more prosperous and they don't feel welcome here. Our own citizens have not grabbed the chance to do the jobs that the migrants were doing, so our economy is already suffering.

Non-EU immigration is not affected by belonging to the EU, in spite of what some Leave supporters appear to believe, so that won't change as the NHS and many other employers desperately need overseas workers.

Any trade deal we are able to secure with the EU will leave us having to comply with EU legislation but having no voice to influence it. What a triumph.

The UK is a rich country but it's nothing like as powerful as the US or China, so trade deals with those countries are going to favour them, not us. It's obvious sense that allying ourselves with our European neighbours and making joint trade deals gives us more power.

I don't understand the Leave position and I never have.

Panda368 · 13/12/2019 11:21

55% of the electorate voted for parties that either oppose Brexit or want a second referendum yesterday.

I don't think Brexit is done or will be sorted in any way anytime soon, Europe isn't amazing but leaving Europe is the biggest distraction from the bigger global and internal issues. Its doing huge damage to us and how we are perceived, plus - we really badly need migrants in this country.

I voted labour. I support labour's social policies but I think labour went too far and misunderstood how socially conservative much of the UK is.

I think labour needs to go away and look again at its roots - not just preaching to educated liberals who live in citys and would never vote conservative.

scaryteacher · 13/12/2019 11:22

IHateBlueLights I wasn't planning to pop my clogs quite yet, but tyvm for the good wishes.

I think the EU is at a junction and will either federalise or begin to dissolve. There will have to be a two tier membership, with EZ members integrating further and faster, with those like Denmark staying away from that. What that means in terms of contributions, who knows?

I was unhappy about the enlargement coming from the Balkans. I have grave doubts that any of them have really met the benchmarks needed.

France is up in arms about pension reforms; Germany may be about to lurch to the left; Belgium doesn't have a government 200+ days after the election; Spain is in a political mess, and the list goes on.

We are better off out, fixing our own mess, and being out will hopefully make our politicians more accountable for their decisions, as the buck will stop with them.

redcarbluecar · 13/12/2019 11:23

I can't imagine ever agreeing with the idea that we should leave the EU, however large a majority voted for it. However, democracy does mean accepting the reality and validity of certain outcomes.

RingInTheNew · 13/12/2019 11:24

If you look at absolute votes, more people voted yesterday for remain/2nd referendum parties than for the Tories or Brexit party. There were 14 million people voting for the Tories last night - fewer than the 17 million in the referendum - so hardly a clear mandate for Brexit.

Clavinova · 13/12/2019 11:24

Remain parties won 52% of the national vote.

Labour's 'neutral' stance on Brexit was a big fat lie then? They are a 'remain' party only and they had no intention of negotiating a 'credible leave' deal with the EU? Despite an independent fact checker claiming that 0% of Labour's adverts were lies.

Up to 30% of SNP voters voted to leave the EU in 2016.

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 13/12/2019 11:26

We want to control our borders - we always had the right to do this, we chose not to
We want to control immigration - see above
We want to make our own laws in our own country - we have always made our own laws. EU supremacy only applies when there is conflict between EU and domestic lawmaking. Why would we be in conflict over clean water, closing tax loopholes, safer working hours for employees etc etc?
We want to decide our own future, and not have it inflicted on us from the EU - I'm embarrassed for you that you even think this is an actual thing.

I am a remainer, and even I know all of this!!!!

No, you really don't.

Aquilla · 13/12/2019 11:27

It's very telling when people are genuinely surprised/shocked about this result.

Iwantacookie · 13/12/2019 11:27

Why dont people realise it's not about leaving the eu it's about leaving the eu and ensuring we aren't up the creek without a paddle

AlrightyyThen · 13/12/2019 11:28

ohprettybaby You have a very mature and very welcome attitude today, it's refreshing to see, thank you

awaynboilyurheid · 13/12/2019 11:28

So upset this morning, SNP majority in Scotland and Boris back in, I remember clearly what is was like before we joined the EU, certainly not paradise, wee nippy’s smug face and even smugger Stanley Johnstone on breakfast tv gave me the boak as we say in Scotland. I keep saying god help us and I’m an atheist

Crunchymum · 13/12/2019 11:33

I just hope and pray labour are able to regroup, find a strong leader and that Boris the cunt doesn't do too much damage during his term.

Never have the words "be careful what you wish for" been truer when it comes to (my opinion of) those who voted to leave.

I also do not believe the result of the GE is because people wanted to vote Conservative. I think a lot of people just felt unable to vote Labour?

  • I'm a labour voter in a very safe London seat but even I didn't feel totally happy with my vote.
AlexaShutUp · 13/12/2019 11:35

It's very telling when people are genuinely surprised/shocked about this result.

I doubt that many people are really surprised about the result, but I think many were hoping against hope that the worst wouldn't happen. It's devastating when your worst fears are realised, even when you could see it coming.

ArchieStar · 13/12/2019 11:36

Didn’t go the way I expected it to but majority rules in a democracy so we have to crack on really.

Dongdingdong · 13/12/2019 11:36

YABU vs YANBU is currently standing at 48% vs 52%. Where have I seen those figures before?

ForeverbyJudyBlume · 13/12/2019 11:37

It's very telling when people are genuinely surprised/shocked about this result.

Exactly. Perhaps pay some attention to what people who aren't under 30 and don't live in London/Bristol/Oxford think. I can't believe how patronising people are towards those who voted Tory and for Brexit. I don't agree with all their reasons but they are perfectly good reasons and need to be respected.

And to the person who said - very nicely- she didn't understand how this could happen when everyone on her social media was Labour I'd genuinely suggest reading some books about economics and politics rather than trying to educate yourself from social media.

MaxNormal · 13/12/2019 11:38

No I will not accept it. Yet again, I as a person in Scotland have had England's choice foisted upon me in clear contradiction to what the people of Scotland have voted for.

MaxNormal · 13/12/2019 11:38

Exactly. Perhaps pay some attention to what people who aren't under 30 and don't live in London/Bristol/Oxford think. I can't believe how patronising people are towards those who voted Tory and for Brexit

This really riles me. Like I'm in some middle class bubble, rather than the east of Glasgow.

HuloBeraal · 13/12/2019 11:38

My maths is fine. Under Remain I put openly Remain parties and those asking for a second referendum aka Labour.
This idea that this was a big win for ‘Leave’ voters isn’t borne out by actual numbers.
After all the way election boundaries are drawn there are many constituencies north of the Watford Gap that are say a fifth the size of an average London constituency in terms of numbers.
But the EU referendum was an all in or all out vote. (And Leave won that). But to suggest that ‘Leave’ per se won last night in the same manner it won the referendum, ie with most of the population voting for them would not be correct.
I am not sure what’s mathematically wrong with that.
What is wrong with that is there are Remainers who may have voted Tory and Leavers who voted Labour. But if we neutralise there for a second then I don’t think this is the decisive NATIONAL vote for leaving the EU some suggest it is.

That doesn’t mean that Brexit won’t happen. But the numbers don’t suggest an overwhelming majority population wise for Leave.

wondering7777 · 13/12/2019 11:39

I doubt that many people are really surprised about the result

I'm genuinely really surprised. I thought Boris might get a very slim majority - say five or 10 seats. But I definitely didn't expect him to win a landslide.