Will the UK now accept the vote

[Gin96]

And move on with a united country, can we stop bickering and accept what people have voted for?

Might go check his voting record to see if he voted for the police cuts. Dont hold your breath.

At the risk of being called a sore loser, it’s important to remember that our electoral system means that less that 25% of people eligible to vote actually voted Conservative. Not saying that the 35% who didn’t vote at all weren’t Conservatives too- but only about 25% of the population have actively endorsed them.

There are a few lists of things you can do to help/build community bonds/feel less ineffective etc, this is quite a good one. We're not going to get rid of the fascists and their wilfully ignorant enablers overnight, but there will be various little ways to throw sand in their gears, here and there...

I am a Labour voter and member. But I think he should be given a chance. The early narrative of recognising that these voters have trusted him is promising. Although I do not think that Brexit is going to help these voters I do wonder if it does attract investment (and I am aware that is a v big if) could things be turned around? For example could a company be offered attractive corporation tax rates as long as they situate themselves in Burnley (as an example) and agree that their workforce should be. predominately from the town?
I agree that a big investment in public services is needed but investment in the people of the town, in developing skills and jobs locally and providing affordable housing could be driven by an economy and Govt who give businesses incentives?
I think perhaps these voters are pragmatic and questioned whether renationalised services and the perception of Corbyn being anti business was a realistic solution? They know that jobs and skills are different now but don't get the opportunity to get these jobs.
Labours ideas around developing the sustainable energy businesses in these northern towns was a real highlight of the manifesto and I hope the Govt look at this seriously.
Cant believe I have gone from deep despair on the exit poll to a sense of optimism and letting someone else have a go at improving peoples lives in a different way to the Labour Party proposes

No I don't think people who feel strongly about remaining in the EU will accept leaving the EU. I am not sure what that lack of acceptance will look like but I expect many arguments with friends, colleagues and on MN. Some will become more politically active. I don't have a problem with people continuing to express their disquiet at leaving the EU as I think that reflects a society that encourages debate. Why would you want people to accept something they fundamentally disagree with. That makes no sense to me.

I think delivering Brexit will be very difficult particularly for NI but BJ has a mandate to try. I expect he will encounter many many obstacles and imponderables and it will take years. I don't envy the government that tries and in some ways I think Labour dodged a bullet.

Thanks for the link Reanimated. This is what I intend to do over xmas.

Thanks Reanimated

IN THEIR MANIFESTO, that they will cut funding for people with learning disabilities to ZERO by 2023

I'm a labour voter and have disabled children but I read that this is extra funding that is initially provided but then removed - it's not the entire funding.

I would have more chance of accepting the vote if it hadn’t been 52/48 - hardly a landslide! And with people who since switched from leave to remain it might even be 50/50. So how can something that half the voters were against get pushed through so strongly? By all means bang on about the will of the people if it was 70% or higher, but it was only ever the will of half the voters.
A sensible government would have listened to leave voters concerns, gently corrected any misconceptions and provided concrete examples of the benefits of leaving, and found a compromise. Instead we got stuck with fraud and lies from the campaign onwards, and a country steamrollered into a Brexit that it doesn’t know the meaning of.

The misinformation has been allowed to swell - like people voting leave to control immigration. The tories WERE in control of immigration, and they CHOSE to be lax. I did not vote leave because I did not want to hand any more power to the tories.

I don’t blame people who voted leave. I blame the government who didn’t listen to them, and didn’t care about their concerns.

We voted?

See, that’s at the heart of the problem. I haven’t voted for any of this.

Soen, ok, continue to whinge on and insult and belittle the large majority of your fellow citizens. Just don’t expect us to pay you any attention because, as has been amply demonstrated in the result, we don’t agree. Enjoy your sour grapes.

I am kind of resigned to, if it all goes to shit at least the majority of people in the land will be in the shit together. Praying it doesn't. The majority of people being in the shit together will be the first time more than 52% of the population will be feeling the same way. So that's something I suppose.

Whizbang - I will if it's all the same to you thanks. Get off your high horse. And I dont need you to validate my feelings thanks. You're not that special.

CAN WE STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER AND BLAME THE GOVERNMENT PLEASE. BECAUSE:

• Ill thought out referendum
• not listening to leave voters concerns
• not working together (all parties to blame for this) leading to everything being voted down. Even Boris voted down Theresa May’s deal, and now is plugging one not quite as good.

SO YELLING AT EACH OTHER WONT DO ANY GOOD AS THE ONLY ONES TO BLAME FOR THIS SHITSHOW ARE THE GOVERNMENT!!

Thank you please

Whiz bang are you saying that as a leader or remainder because I see a lot of people on either side saying exactly what you are saying.

That’s fair enough Soen and thank you for responding sensibly without insults (rare in political discussions on the board these days).

Our discussion illustrates an interesting point...I want the same as you I think...the best for the U.K. people, decent welfare safety net, proper nhs and education funding, climate action, tackling homelessness. We just disagree on which party can deliver it.

In my opinion Labour’s economic policy would have crashed the UK’s economy and led to capital flight and ongoing Sterling devaluation as well as putting the final nail in the coffin of the UKs international reputation. Once the economy is in tatters the vulnerable in society would be much worse off than they currently are (and they are already struggling terribly). So to protect the fabric of our society I feel we need to protect the economy.

I agree that labour policies are more compassionate but they are enormously naive and blinkered to the almost inevitable economic carnage that would be caused by e.g forced nationalisation of percentages of private businesses. If the private and commercial tax contributors leave, which they absolutely would, then one of the many harsh consequences would be collapse in tax revenue. We would not be able to finance welfare or health even at current levels, woeful though they are.

So I decided not to vote for a party whose policies I truly believe would disadvantage the very people they purport to support. If the money isn’t there, the support just cannot be paid for.

I accept that the Conservatives won the election.
I accept that we will leave the EU on 31st January.
I will never accept that its the right thing to do.

MIdgebabe. I’m a remainer, but I still couldn’t vote for Corbyn as the risk he poses to the U.K. is even worse than Brexit, IMO.

I hope labour can learn this hard lesson and rise from the ashes with a leader more palatable to the electorate.

Whizbang - and what if companies leave due to brexit? What are your assurances that all will be ok if/when it is delivered? Companies have already shifted abroad amidst the uncertainty.

Soen, I’m not giving assurances just my opinion. Nobody knows the future, we can only form opinions based on our experiences and research.

I don’t think Brexit is a good thing. Companies are indeed withholding investment. However as I said above, business impact by a Corbyn led parliament would be even worse. We’ve already had clients postponing U.K. investment decisions until after the election citing the threat of tax penalties etc under Corbyn’s policy as a reason. The sterling bounce following Johnson’s victory is further evidence.

But Brexit is making them leave too. Corbyn would be worse. Just my opinion.

“ Soen, ok, continue to whinge on and insult and belittle the large majority of your fellow citizens.”

I do my want to whinge on and insult or belittle anyone. But what “large majority” are you talking about?

BertrandRussell...c’mon, how can you still take that line after the historic trouncing that the electorate has just delivered to labour and libdems? You are being disingenuous.

I also don't think Eurosceptics accepted the outcome of the 1975 referendum. People will continue to voice concerns and argue for what they believe. Perfectly reasonable.

I’m not denying the trouncing! But less than 25% of the population as a whole voted Conservative. And only 44% of people who actually voted. These things are rarely as simple as they seem.

Bertrand: you’re not wrong, but we live with the system we have. FPTP is a flawed system, but then proportional representation would lead to delights such as the death penalty being reintroduced. I agree the current system needs reforming though.

I still think it’s a historic trouncing under the current flawed system. Thousands of lifelong labour voters in long-standing safe seats held their noses and voted for a party they truly hate (cons) because the labour alternative was worse. They voted for a party that has shat on them in the past and undoubtedly will continue to do so, because Labour was unable to offer a credible alternative. And now some labour activist have the sheer gall to blame those voters when the Labour Party has failed them so badly. Shameful in my view.