Will the UK now accept the vote

[Gin96]

And move on with a united country, can we stop bickering and accept what people have voted for?

I did say 'might'. People's voting behaviour would doubtless change under PR. The result would not be the electoral dictatorship we have now though.

FUCKS SAKE yes I accepted the ridiculously loose wording on a ballot paper three years ago will you just SHUT THE ACTUAL FUCK UP AND GET ON WITH IT BORIS

I'm sorry but this is boring call people "remoaners" etc for the most part people who voted remain has got on with their lives I dont know anyone in real life who hasnt accepted the result except for leavers who want to "win"

The negative about PR is it takes out the local personal touch of having an MP I think. One of the deciding factors for me was that our MP is an honourable type of chap who really cares about the area and has history of working in local industry. I'd have probably voted for him whatever colour rosette he was wearing in truth . The opposition was a 25 year old who only recently moved to the area who just chanted BJ's rhetoric.

Maybe the answer is to just outlaw these daft political parties and vote for individuals based on their cvs who then vote in the PM.

Teate
Look up the system they use for the Scottish Parliament, the Welsh Assembly and the London Assembly
PR with local representation
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additional_member_system

Another area where London gets what is denied to the rest of us

But hasn’t there always been rich and poor people?

Well obviously, but your current government is doing their level best to make sure the gap gets wider and more extreme.

Well obviously, but your current government is doing their level best to make sure the gap gets wider and more extreme.

The problem is that's a really simplistic analysis. One of the major differences is regional policy and there being opportunities in all areas. This has been neglected for 40-odd years. The reality is people want jobs not handouts, that is what makes the difference between comfort and being poor, regardless of government. The attitude of many in London is outside is wastelands. Labour is highly London-centric and then wonder why people look elsewhere.

It's all very well to tell people in deprived areas it will get worse - it can't really it's shit and people are fed by food banks already. Brexit provides hope even if it is false hope.

And many on MN concentrate on the disabled. Yes life is shit for them and I'm not minimising that BUT it's shit for most people in deprived towns/ areas. That's what I think a lot of people just don't get.

Not fussed if it's accepted or not, Brexit is happening at last

If the bloody diehard Remainers would just shut up and accept a Democratic result, there might be some chance.

Ffs it's not like we won't still be close to the EU and trade with them. It's not like their citizens won't come here to work. It's not like we won't maintain strong security links. Who cares if we don't sit at a table with a bunch of gravy training bureaucrats.

All Brexit has done is lift people's filters and a lot of people have became prize cunts. People before typically may have thought things but kept it to themselves/their inner circles.

Now people don't care about being racist, disabilist, homophobic pricks. You can see it all over Mumsnet at the minute.

It's disgusting.

It has never happened and it never will. People will always disagree on politics and have robust arguments about it.
Actually it would be worrying if you just started to shut up about your views the minute the winner was announced, regardless of who you voted for.
And with two controversial figures like BoJo and Corbyn people were bound to feel strongly and bicker after the results.

As well as electoral reform, we desperately need reform of party funding. It’s really toxic and untransparent atm. Extremely undemocratic. Individual donations should be capped at eg £100 and corporate donations should also be capped and subject to shareholder approval.

There was a big compulsory overhaul of Labour Party funding under the Trade Union Act 2016, with no corresponding reform to the conservative side (who rely on very substantial donations from wealthy individual donors as their membership base is tiny and coffee mornings just don’t cut it in terms of raising cash). As a result, party funding freedoms are now seriously unbalanced and out of kilter.

There also needs to be reform of the two way ‘jobs’ traffic between government/MPs/civil servants and corporate boards/accounting firms.

@PepePig Where precisely on MN are these homophobic, racist etc views? Links please?

I think it's devastating and frightening that so many people chose to vote for Boris Johnson's party when he has openly made countless crude, misogynistic, homophobic and racist statements. I was going to copy a few here but I just became depressed just reading it and there were too many to even begin to copy them. I can't even begin to imagine what goes on in people's heads that they justify or normalise his awful beliefs and think of him as a positive role model for our country. I ended up thinking maybe people just haven't seen the things he has said, because they only read certain media publications. It's more hopeful in a way to believe this, than to think so many people agree with or accept his views or just laugh about them because of course he's just a "lovable rogue".

Earlier someone posted that they hoped we would see after 2 years the positive effect of a Conservative government. But we're already years into a Conservative government and the headlines are increased NHS waiting lists, increased child poverty, massive cuts to public services and education. In schools we can see the devastating effects of poverty on the children we teach.

I seriously don't understand it. I would get the sack from my job for saying a fraction of the stuff he comes out with.

How on earth can we be expected to "unite" behind this man? I would be ashamed to look so many of my colleagues/school children's parents/friends in the eye if I had voted for everything he stands for.

'If the bloody diehard Remainers would just shut up and accept a Democratic result, there might be some chance.'

I WILL NOT SHUT UP AND ACCEPT A RESULT THAT I OPPOSE!!!!

That's what dictators want people to do! We will keep our freedom of speech and opinion here, thank you very much!

The UTTERLY EVIL idea that people should 'shut up' and 'accept' whatever their government does is far more dangerous than Brexit itself, although I am a Remainer.

Just to add: Much as I detest Johnson, I don't think that he has this view that people should be forced to shut up with any disagreement. This comes from the tabloids ('enemies of the people') and elements of social media.

If the bloody diehard Remainers would just shut up and accept a Democratic result, there might be some chance
Because brexit supporters have been quiet and shut up for the last few decades yes?
Oh wait...

It's not like Nigel Farage hasn't been harping on about leaving for years.
Of course the Eurosceptic wing if the Tories haven't been causing conflict within their party for years.

No. Those against the EU haven't said a word.

Wasn't it Nigel Farage who said 48/52 in favour of remain wouldn't be a democratic resultnand would leave unfinished business?

And that's before the issues surrounding funding, Cambridge analytics etc

The "we won get over it" is idiot logic.

And so it begins...

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/damian-green-social-care-insurance-lbc-1-6425258

We don't have to accept the result, at least not in the sense that we all now have to shut up about how opposed we are to Brexit. This is a democracy. We are allowed to say that it is a giant shitshow and we do not have to cheerlead for it. All we have to do is go about our daily lives and obey the law. If we do that and Brexit pans out as a disaster, it will not be Remainers' fault because we do not live in Neverland where you can wish things into being by just saying 'I believe'.

The idea that the views of over 48% of voters suddenly become irrelevant because 3% more people voted something different is ludicrous. Just because an opinion is popular does not make it the right decision. The Americans voted in Trump after all- was that the right decision? I think not!

People as a whole are generally stupid!

I doubt Leavers would shut up if remain had won. It's a fundamental right to have freedom of speech, even if its opinions you disagree with. Or would you rather live in a dictatorship?

If the bloody diehard Remainers would just shut up and accept a Democratic result, there might be some chance

Love the idea that if it turns out there's no chance of a successful Brexit, it will be the fault of diehard remainers for not shutting up. Not the fault of, you know, the people who actually voted for it.

Mango - this is what I dont understand. How can opinions impact the outcome of Brexit? They're just opinions... thoughts from ones head. It's not like the very process of leaving the EU in itself can be 'hurt' or 'maimed' by public opinion. It is after all, just a process, not a sentient being.

We still have free speech in this Country so I will not shut up about something I feel strongly about