Fricking election. Corbyn being thrown under the bus.

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I did not vote Labour. But I didn't choose not to vote Labour based on one man. I am watching the BBC (so many issues with this tonight!!) and they are all saying it is Corbyn's fault. He is not my favourite person, but FML, how bloody awful that they can be behind him for years and the minute it goes pear shaped, they throw him under the bus. Collective responsibility, people!!

Murdoch supported Blair.

Yes, but apparently we should always be careful not to be manipulated by Murdoch and should not have voted Labour in 1997.

Not all Amanduh, no.
Some chose to read the Sun instead

And its arrogant/glib attitudes like 'Sun readers' 'Daily Mail readers' that helped get Labour into this mess. The assumption that members of the public are ignorant gammon.

Should the public be more enligtened? Should they read an approved, educated, broadsheet like The Guardian, with the progressive Owen Jones pontificating over what it means to be a woman? A paper that believes women can have penises and that women should share single sex spaces with men?

Janice Turner hits the nail on the head today in another blistering article in (yes Murdoch's) The Times, if you can bring yourselves to read it.

There's a thread on it with a share token.

As only 6 million newspapers are sold daily and 17 million voted leave, it's clear most leavers made up their own minds. Yes, shocking though it is to Remainers, leave voters can actually think!

And its arrogant/glib attitudes like 'Sun readers' 'Daily Mail readers' that helped get Labour into this mess. The assumption that members of the public are ignorant gammon.

Should the public be more enligtened? Should they read an approved, educated, broadsheet like The Guardian,

Reading the Guardian, especially the columns by people like Owen Jones, Ash Sarkar and Laurie Pennie, is much more likely to turn you Tory than reading the Daily Mail!. They have turned me off the left decisively, as I can't entertain living in a country where such toxic authoritarianism would be unleashed. Boris Johnson has a lot to thank them for, in my opinion.

I think it's a shame that most people don't have as much interest in who is running this fucking country as they do in who is getting voted off Lve Island.

We are getting the politicians we deserve, God help us.

As only 6 million newspapers are sold daily and 17 million voted leave, it's clear most leavers made up their own minds.

You should investigate the internet, it's, great, you get to see newspapers without buying them and can even send copies, quotes and links to them to huge swathes of people in a single action. A revelation!

Reading the Guardian, especially the columns by people like Owen Jones, Ash Sarkar and Laurie Pennie, is much more likely to turn you Tory than reading the Daily Mail!

So true!! Love Janice Turners description of them as looking as worried as naughty children who've accidentally burnt the house down

I think it's a shame that most people don't have as much interest in who is running this fucking country as they do in who is getting voted off Lve Island.
Well they clearly do. They were concerned enough to vote Tory for the first time in generations because they didnt want Jeremy Corbyn to run the country! Labour and momentum lost, betraying and insuting their core support along the way. As Miranda Green said in the Independent "get brexit done proved to be a pretty good slogan, helped along by an even better one-'fuck off and join the Tories' a favourite response of the Corbyn faithful to all criticism, proved very effective indeed."

IMO Corbyn dithered too much, and didnt match the showman firepower of Boris. Do I think he should go? Not sure. I prefer calm politicians myself, but that's not what turns heads.

Do I think he should go? Not sure.

You’re not convinced Corbyn should go?!? I’m speechless.

Recrudescence, he's not perfect, none of us are, and he wouldn't be my first choice of party leader BUT he's one man, the whole party needs to take stock not just him.

Anyone who genuinely doesn't think Corbyn should go clearly doesn't give a monkey's about the poor in this society.

He RUINED it for them, for years. Labour had the best chance in decades to get into power and they totally screwed it.

Corbyn and his cult will go down as one of, if not THE, worst opposition parties in history.

... the whole party needs to take stock not just him.

Can’t disagree with that but are you honestly saying that, after having taken stock, Corbyn might still be best choice?

the whole party needs to take stock not just him.

Based on what I've seen in online discussion and on TV interviews in the last couple of days, the stock-taking will result in the party concluding that its election campaign failed because they weren't left wing enough, and because they didn't call northern voters thick and racist often enough. Also because we live in a country where people are allowed to think for themselves and where we have a free press. And sadly you can't legislate against that until you're actually in power. It's a conundrum!

It’s the ongoing self righteousness that I can’t stand.
Corbyn, momentum etc have absolutely ruined the Labour Party and rendered them unelectable. In doing so they have completely shafted those they pretend to support. And still the party faithful are
on here bleating about evil tories and trying to take the high moral ground. Absolutely contemptible

Agree with this. Its started already. Let's blame the media. Let's blame David Cameron. Let's blame FPTP. We live in a dictatorship etc etc. Nothing will change because it doesnt seem as if any Labour activist recognises the need for change. People sat at home rather than vote Labour. They voted Tory rather than vote Labour. That is the fault of Labour.

I agree with you OP. The parliamentary party still contains so many Tory lites who would not support him, and I'm not that keen on Momentum either. The party made it a self-fulfilling prophecy that he would fail in this election by being so divided. It will probably take another ten years for Labour to be electable. Corbyn was the catalyst for change they needed but so many are not prepared to change.

One Labour MP who lost her seat (Redcar IIRC) said that she had knocked on 4 consecutive doors where people who'd always voted Labour said they were sorry, they liked her personally, but they couldn't bring themselves to vote Corbyn in.

There's a lot in today's papers about Corbyn and the hard left generally, being perceived as not-so-secret despisers of their own country, despisers of anyone seen as showing any sort of patriotism, and in particular their antipathy towards the armed forces. These factors will not have played at all well in areas, inc. Scotland, that have a long tradition of serving in the AF.