Fricking election. Corbyn being thrown under the bus.

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I did not vote Labour. But I didn't choose not to vote Labour based on one man. I am watching the BBC (so many issues with this tonight!!) and they are all saying it is Corbyn's fault. He is not my favourite person, but FML, how bloody awful that they can be behind him for years and the minute it goes pear shaped, they throw him under the bus. Collective responsibility, people!!

I never said anything about thick proles.

You certainly seem to think that anyone who didn't vote for Corbyn has been brainwashed by Murdoch.

Even worse that Michael Foot

And he was up against Thatcher

Labour have been absolutely trashed. I didn’t think it would be so bad. Corbyn and Co are totally to blame no one else for this terrible result for Labour

But it was him and his cronies fault. I did not vote for him as leader as I knew he'd be a liability. Sadly I was in the minority.

I'm Labour and knew we'd get screwed at this GE.

Corbyn and momentum take responsibility: unelectable.

I feel really disappointed that with all the shit hitting the fan within the conservatives as well as brexit Labour, for the ast few years, had an opportunity to attract a lot of disillusioned or floating voters IF they had had a different leader and a less extreme stance. The 2 parties are now really polarised extremes and I hated the idea of either BJ or JC as PM. I've voted Labour before but I couldnt do it this time because I had no confidence in JC.

I can't believe he hasn't gone immediately!

Sadly I am not shocked. Corbyn and co shall be lining up who they think is best to take over as leader. Fuck the voters and the message they have so clearly given to them. I don’t think Labour’s troubles caused by the far left and Momentum are over quite yet they will carry on causing damage to the party for as long as they can anything to keep labour far left utter fucking stupid idiots and as are those who continue to support them

Labour picked the wrong Milliband. Things would’ve been a lot different from that point.

This ^

Personally i think it is clearly indicative of the shoddy leadership of the Labour Party that even in such dire times they couldn’t win a majority. With better leadership this could have been a clear labour win. They only have there selves to blame

You certainly seem to think that anyone who didn't vote for Corbyn has been brainwashed by Murdoch

I think refusing to acknowledge the power and influence of wealthy press barons is naive at best.

I think refusing to acknowledge the power and influence of wealthy press barons is naive at best.

Yet somehow Labour managed to stay in power for more than a decade.

I was on my local count. Every single candidate, campaigner, support staff from all parties were comiserating with the Labour people. They all said 'sorry, it wasnt you it was Jeremy and Brexit'. He was the problem. Him and his momentum cult.

A major part of the problem was Corbyn. It always was.

@merrymouse 😂 Murdoch backed Blair.

tinierclanger I think you are scrapping the barrel to be claiming it is the MSM that turned people away from Labour.

It wasn’t that contrived.

It was simply because their leader is a stubborn twat and their policies didn’t stack up.

An alternative would be for labour members who don’t like Corbyn to just leave and join LDs. If people like the message then people will vote for them rather than tories like they have done in this election.

Although I corbyn’s policies are too far left for me (1 nationalisation In 1 parliament would have been more reasonable), I don’t mind there being a Left party out there as a choice.

He's not the sole reason they lost, but he is a large reason why the UK haven't had an effective opposition party at one of the most crucial points in its history.

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I'm a Labour voter - the only thing Corbyn had going for him was his integrity. Unfortunately too many people thought him a weak leader (including me), and he also refused to give straight answers to some questions that made people doubt him.

However, I still don't know what people would ignore him (an honest a man as any politician can be) in order to vote for a proven liar, bully, braggart and self-serving arsehole like Johnson.

I fear for this country.

OP, you’re right. They should be blaming Corbyn AND Momentum AND the Unions

Unless Labour and all the Momentum morons o
shut up and start to look themselves in the mirror, Labour will never win again. Labours message got out there loud and clear from their own mouths. On TV, on the radio and in person. No one believed them, and what they did believe, they didnt like. Blaming everyone else but themselves will get them nowhere but that's what they will do. As Yvette Cooper said, Labour have let down the people they were supposed to represent. That's not woke lefties in Islington fetishising the poor from their £3m townhouses but the actual working class in towns across the UK. But go on blaming other people and see Lsbour disappear into the wilderness, all the while shouting about Murdoch and his evil empire.

the only thing Corbyn had going for him was his integrity

That’s not saying much.

If he had any integrity he would have put his party first and stepped down long ago

The fact he has the brass neck to not be resigning this morning and be talking of leaving ‘before the next GE’ shows just how little integrity the man has

Yes, the thick proles brainwashed by the right-wing media narrative shows the contempt so many Labour activists have for voters.

That narrative works to the point the thick proles are watching him speak on TV. There’s no media then to twist his words.

@merrymouse 😂 Murdoch backed Blair

So using your logic - always vote against Murdoch - you think people should have voted Conservative in 1997? Interesting.

I'm labour voter and not a Jeremy Corbyn fan but voted labour because my MP is a man of integrity.

I do think that the strategy of the conservatives was to hide from the press, refuse to be questioned and run a smear campaign.
I also think the press were selective with what they ran with (Eg quick to share the false claim that a Tory candidate was attacked going to the hospital in Leeds - which was false Vs quick to claim the story about the boy in the floor was fake news despite the fact there were loads of not accounts and the hospital had admitted it). On the radio one of the criticisms levelled at John McDonnell was that he didn't have a "pithy sentence" to sum labour up (instead he gave 3 clear sentences) and the interviewer said "but Boris has a pitchy sentence". It was basically 'Boris has a slogan and you don't'

Where Corbyn and the Momentum wing need to accept responsibility is that the Tories have won this election when:

• the leader hides in fridges
• the leader refuses to do the same interview as all other party leaders
• the leader has a record for homophobia
• the party shows contempt for poor people
• prominent figures say Grenfell victims should have been smarter to avoid death
• the leader has called Muslim women letterboxes
• there's a massive problem if islamophobia
• leader's father has said the British public are thick
• public services have been stripped to the bone and all this "new money" still doesn't bring them back to appropriate funding
• there's evidence of the NHS Being further carved up by the back door (remember Virgin Care is already running some services)
• 9 years in power and they cant run an election campaign saying what their achievements have been!

This should have been a fairly straightforward election to say "we are a moderate centre left party who care about public services and look at the party opposite who don't give a damn about anyone who isn't wealthy". Corbyn blew it.

@merrymouse I think you have a thin grasp of logic.

tinierclanger, perhaps you could explain.

You still seem to be arguing that the electorate are brainwashed by Murdoch.

Meanwhile

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3766866-Little-OJ-supports-a-pro-woman-t-shirt

I think Corbyn's press problem might be closer to home.

if you’re constantly immersed in a single narrative, it’s hard to see past it. Unless it's a momentum narrative? This is exactly what momentum do! Never address their own own shortcomings. Never learn any lessons.