Fricking election. Corbyn being thrown under the bus.

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I did not vote Labour. But I didn't choose not to vote Labour based on one man. I am watching the BBC (so many issues with this tonight!!) and they are all saying it is Corbyn's fault. He is not my favourite person, but FML, how bloody awful that they can be behind him for years and the minute it goes pear shaped, they throw him under the bus. Collective responsibility, people!!

Agree about the blue haired gender neutral bull shit. It only appeals to students who are addicted to Twitter. Everyone else on the planet thinks it’s a load of crap.

I find it peculiar, that the past few weeks have been filled with "vote labour or you are anti this, that and the other" but tonight it is more personal around JC. I appreciate all your insights, many of you are much more politically knowledgeable than me. I just feel he should not be held entirely responsible for the whole party.

I don’t think it’s necessarily that more people are voting Tory, it’s just that fewer traditional Labour and swing voters couldn’t bring themselves to vote Labour because of Corbyn, so are either voting for other smaller parties or not voting at all.

That’s the job he signed up for. He’s the leader and he didn’t get the votes so, yes, he will get the blame.

Corbyn IS the bus.

I hate him for what he has done to Labour.

the "northern leave voters" you so blithely dismiss are the roots of the Labour movement, and Corbyn and momentum have dug their own graves by ignoring them in favour of blue haired gender neutral bullshit.

Absolutely. They've also alienated women, people who believe in science, and those who think freedom of speech and belief matter.

Also he and his cronies have had a really tight control over the party. Campaigns to unseat longstanding Labour activists for wrong-think, candidates flown in from momentum to replace them over local councillors rising. Seat after seat sewn up, anyone who speaks out denounced. It is fucking awful what has been happening and it was an orchstrated campaign which he was head of. Him and momentum put together the manifesto, cowed any opposition to it through dirty tricks, badmouthing and intimidation, they dictated the direction and detail of the party and this is absolutely his fault.

I find it peculiar, that the past few weeks have been filled with "vote labour or you are anti this, that and the other" but tonight it is more personal around JC

Two different sets of Labourites.

Plenty of us have been criticising his ineptitude and anti-Semitism for a long time.

But the Corbynistas just chanted, cult style.

the "northern leave voters" you so blithely dismiss are the roots of the Labour movement, and Corbyn and momentum have dug their own graves by ignoring them in favour of blue haired gender neutral bullshit

This.

Absolutely. They've also alienated women, people who believe in science, and those who think freedom of speech and belief matter.

And this. 100%

We know a sensible chap who worked somewhere Corbyn was involved (I think harringay council). According to whom, Corbyn's only discernible skill was in landing the blame for his own mistakes on other people.

The right wing press wields enormous power. Whereas back in the day, a lot of people wouldn't be caught dead reading the Daily Mail, almost everyone reads it now because it's free online and updated constantly and they always get the best photos. Even if people aren't going to the site for politics, they are still exposed to the hysterical anti-Corbyn headlines, and eventually they start to stick. You see it on here all the time - people literally regurgitating Daily Mail headlines as if they were saying something original and clever, when in fact they sound practically brainwashed.

Christa as a non labour voter, yours was not the voice I heard. I do not say that in criticism of you (those who criticised) but the voice of the populist masses was loud and irritating. There was not (in my world) a reasonable second voice.

Corbyn is hardly being thrown under the bus. I like him, I voted for Labour but he was never going to win and he's been massively unpopular both inside and outside the party.

It’s not the presses fault that Corbyn has swallowed identity politics whole and has managed to alienate most of the country.
I’d like to start voting for labour again so the best he can do is piss of and take his misogynist, creepy bull boy momentum chums with him.

The right wing press wields enormous power.

But I don’t read the right wing press. I have, however, been following the kinds of inquisitions and denunciations , the bullying and authoritarianism, that BerwickLad has alluded to above. On activists’ own social media accounts. It chilled me to the bone. I can’t contemplate living in a country where people like that are given power.

I would gladly - and singlehandedly - throw Jeremy Corbyn under a posh red London bus! And John McDonnell & the absolute losers behind Momentum. And I’m that angry I wouldn’t even need to wear my Wonder Woman costume to do it! I’m so enraged by the fucking arrogant complacency now that the steam coming out out of my ears means I could lift that double-decker bus with my little finger! Fucking LISTEN to us!!!!!

I liked Corbyn.

But he should have walked, they should have put Dave Milliband in his place.

Not bad.looking, no huge skeletons in his cupboard, probably less principled and can talk the talk if needed..........people are thick fickle. I think the result would have been very different if only we'd had someone able to spout bullshit promises about Brexit.

I've voted for Labour ever since I was able to, this is the first time in my life I've not wanted to vote for the Labour Party kor any party!) he's thrown himself under the bus op. Strongly think he should of resigned months and months ago, he's a fool he's not someone I want to put my vote behind.

That being said I wouldn't vote for Labour for him, I'd vote Labour now purely for my local MP and what they can do for my area and me.

@KnowBetterDoBetter (was there ever a more woke username?) the "northern leave voters" you so blithely dismiss are the roots of the Labour movement, and Corbyn and momentum have dug their own graves by ignoring them in favour of blue haired gender neutral bullshit.

It's Maya Angelou, but ok. I wasn't dismissing them - I was just saying why I think Brexit is a key reason to explain the results. My dad's a northerner and voted to leave, though now lives down south. He voted UKIP a few years ago. Voted labour today, mostly due to the recent food bank usage stats (up 4000% in the past decade).

Not every person under 30 has blue hair or is gender neutral BTW. Corbyn has a huge fanbase within inner-city London, amongst young black men. Search Grime4Corbyn. So many young people who were completely politically disengaged - who felt like politicians had never done anything to support them or their communities (amplified massively by Grenfell), had finally found somebody who did care.

Those people deserve to be heard too.

And Corbyn's plans really aren't particularly revolutionary or far-left if you compare them to other European countries. We've just been slowly conditioned into a right-wing society that any whiff of progressive politics seems 'commie' in comparison.

As a young single mother who has been homeless and relied on food banks, and am now doing alright for myself - but know I will have to work a whole lot harder to achieve success than somebody like Boris did - I can't wait for the day where our country is no longer blighted by poverty and inequality.

Christa as a non labour voter, yours was not the voice I heard. I do not say that in criticism of you (those who criticised) but the voice of the populist masses was loud and irritating. There was not (in my world) a reasonable second voice.

Oh, I know.

The shouty people have been very loud.

Even on MN. I was called allsorts of sweary names and told I was 'thick DM reader' last week, because I said something critical of Corbyn.

Then there is identity politics and self-ID (the issue that caused me to send my membership card back). That's another issue that's split the party but been dominated by shrieky hardliners.

Nevermind. Corbyn will have to stand down now. Hopefully there will be major change.

Poor leadership.

I voted for Labour, but did so grudgingly for tactical reasons. I have previously voted Labour as a positive choice but could not do so under Corbyn’s leadership.

Moving forward, I think a new leader is inevitable. Corbyn has lost two elections now, and it’s clear he isn’t getting through to voters. However, a change of face alone won’t be enough. The Labour Party also needs a complete change of culture and a change of strategy too.

I’m not really sure if they can successfully reinvent themselves now. It might be that the time has come for the party to split.

It’s not the presses fault that Corbyn has swallowed identity politics whole and has managed to alienate most of the country.
I’d like to start voting for labour again so the best he can do is piss of and take his misogynist, creepy bull boy momentum chums with him.

Amen. I will crack out the single malt now just to drink to that

Are Momentum going to leave though? They've got a stranglehold on the party and I can't see them giving it up easily. I think it's equally likely the moderate Labour MPs will need to set up a new party. I just can't see how they wrest back control at this point.

You don’t hate Corbyn as much as you need the nhs. Too late now though.

Are Momentum going to leave though? They've got a stranglehold on the party and I can't see them giving it up easily.

At least there is now a decent period of election-free time in which the moderates can attempt to drive them out.