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Fricking election. Corbyn being thrown under the bus.

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Lololololola · 13/12/2019 00:07

I did not vote Labour. But I didn't choose not to vote Labour based on one man. I am watching the BBC (so many issues with this tonight!!) and they are all saying it is Corbyn's fault. He is not my favourite person, but FML, how bloody awful that they can be behind him for years and the minute it goes pear shaped, they throw him under the bus. Collective responsibility, people!!

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Lololololola · 13/12/2019 01:30

Thank you all for your measured and informative responses, yours were not the voices I heard before yesterday. (But as a giant wuss I still feel a bit bad JC has been picked on.)

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DeeZastris · 13/12/2019 01:32

That’s because you are a nice person Lola and there’s nothing wrong with that. Smile

Painedpleasure · 13/12/2019 01:33

It's time for Labour to ditch half of the squad and get more likable people. I would love to have voted labour, but not with those clowns in the hot seat! Plus they should have been more willing to listen to the Brexit vote. They wanted to ignore the will of the people, and that is their ultimate mistake in my opinion

GCAcademic · 13/12/2019 01:33

At least there is now a decent period of election-free time in which the moderates can attempt to drive them out

Normal, centrist people need to start joining political parties and trying to effect change from within. On both sides. Politics has been rotting in the hands of extremists.

Thelnebriati · 13/12/2019 01:34

He is not being picked on. He is being held responsible for a disastrous election that should have been a shoo in.

WatchingTheMoon · 13/12/2019 01:35

"He is not being picked on. He is being held responsible for a disastrous election that should have been a shoo in."

This, honestly. It's not that the Tories are popular so much as Labour are unpopular. I'm a lifelong Labour supporter (apart from when I've had the option to vote Socialist) but even I had to hold my nose a little this time to vote for them. They're massively out of touch.

ErrolTheDragon · 13/12/2019 01:36

Are Momentum going to leave though? They've got a stranglehold on the party and I can't see them giving it up easily. I think it's equally likely the moderate Labour MPs will need to set up a new party. I just can't see how they wrest back control at this point.

They could call themselves, oh, maybe the Social Democratic Party? And then to try to combat the first past the post problem, they could form a pact with the LibDems and eventually merge...gain nearly as many votes as labour yet still vastly less seats... oh.

But the only other way I can see is if massive numbers of moderates join the Labour Party and outvote the momentum faction.

ChristaMSieland · 13/12/2019 01:37

Normal, centrist people need to start joining political parties and trying to effect change from within. On both sides. Politics has been rotting in the hands of extremists.

Awkward for me. I said I wouldn't rejoin until they dropped self-ID, but yes, that is what is needed.

safariboot · 13/12/2019 01:37

The buck stops at the top.

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 13/12/2019 01:39

Darlington has just gone Tory after years of labour.
I have family in Darlington who have spent their lives as labour voters.They don’t have money, well paying jobs or own property. They get by living wage cheque to wage cheque.
Not one of them was willing to vote for labour under the leadership of Corbyn.

Thelnebriati · 13/12/2019 01:41

Many of us would love to change Labour or the LibDems from within but were told to get out because we dont support self ID.

Equanimitas · 13/12/2019 01:47

But it is purely realistic to put the blame on Corbyn. He has had an open goal for the last three and a half years and, if anything, has been standing in there helping the Tories to defend it. And his failure to deal with anti-Semitism has simply made it worse.

The one consolation of this result will be Corbyn's resignation. I only hope the Labour party won't be stupid enough to vote in someone else in the same mould.

YouSawThePlans · 13/12/2019 02:01

The people throwing him under the bus now are the same people who tried to remove him in a coup and who lobbied for the party to offer a second referendum (even though voters in the Labour heartlands didn't want one). Ultimately they're fine with the Tories staying in, if they get to oust JC and the Momentum crew. They're completely deluded if they think offering a second referendum was going to lure their core voters, but then some of them seem to think David Milliband is the answer to their problems so yy it's fair to say the Labour party is having a bit of a crisis atm.

longwayoff · 13/12/2019 02:05

It is Corbyn's fault, he has thrown his party under the bus and given us 5 more years of punishing the poor when his sodding job was to do the reverse. He - the socialist! - has decimated the Labour party. Words fail me. He deserves every bit of blame coming his way.

itwaseverthus · 13/12/2019 02:08

You take your money, you pays your choice.

ElectedNameChange · 13/12/2019 02:10

Darlington has just gone Tory after years of labour.
I have family in Darlington who have spent their lives as labour voters.They don’t have money, well paying jobs or own property. They get by living wage cheque to wage cheque.
Not one of them was willing to vote for labour under the leadership of Corbyn.

Same.
My family are in Sedgefield and have all said the same.

BerwickLad · 13/12/2019 02:10

@KnowBetterDoBetter sorry, I misread and was dismissive of your point.

I agree that Brexit had a lot to do with labour's defeats in the north, for the same reasons why brexit happened in the first place - that people feel they aren't being represented. For entire towns that were the places that built the Labour party with their bare hands to feel like this means that something has gone badly wrong.

It's good that young Londoners feel they have a voice, but a party which appeals to only a narrow set of people - young and urban - are never going to get in power nationally. Labour's focus hasn't been nearly wide enough, the lack of coherence has alienated people and the troubling racism and strongarm tactics have completely switched off whole swathes of voters and activists who have previously spent decades putting their backs to the wheel. Appealing to young voters isn't enough.

JoyceMills · 13/12/2019 02:11

He hasn't been picked on. The leader has ultimate responsibility for the result. You can be sure he'd have taken the credit for the victory if they'd been successful.

I know quite a few people who didn't vote Labour because of Corbyn.

BerwickLad · 13/12/2019 02:17

Corbyn especially is responsible given that those who disagree with him him haven't had a say in what happens for years.

My money's on Jess Phillips next and I think she'd be good.

thehorseandhisboy · 13/12/2019 02:20

Cameron is responsible as I see it.

It was him that called the Brexit referendum, which has caused so much division.

DeeZastris · 13/12/2019 02:25

Corbyn is responsible for the state of his own party. He lost against the honey monster fgs 🤦‍♀️

JoyceMills · 13/12/2019 02:29

What a load of tosh. People voted to leave. Yes Cameron allowed it but he wasn't the 52% who voted. People need to take responsibility for their blind naivity

VanGoghsDog · 13/12/2019 02:30

I find it most bewildering that a party, who genuinely thought they could win, now are going out in force to say that they absolutely could not because of their leader.

Do you live under a rock? We've been saying for years that he's unelectable!

WatchingTheMoon · 13/12/2019 02:34

"I find it most bewildering that a party, who genuinely thought they could win, now are going out in force to say that they absolutely could not because of their leader."

I'm not sure what papers you've been reading but it's hardly a national secret that JC is massively unpopular within the party.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 13/12/2019 02:39

Corbyn’s PR team are working hard

His supporters repeating the line it’s down to Brexit this was all about Brexit Hmm an MP (can’t remember his name) blaming right wing media Hmm