To think if you earn under 85k or aren't selfish its a no brainier to vote Labour?

[voteJC]

It's closer than ever. They have promised to end homelessness, fix the NHS, the biggest grants ever to improve home insulation, pay the WASPI women the money that was taken from them and so much more.

The only down side is people earning over 85k will pay 5% more tax. It's so little for so much.

It's closer than ever and I the country would be so much better with labour.

@PBo83 - some pretty massive assumptions there! Many of us quite genuinely do want to see a better society. Earning a high income doesn’t make you a tosser!

I’m a NHS doctor and will be voting labour. All my friends who are consultants and GPs are voting labour with a few voting green depending on where they live.

All of your friends. You might be Billy No Mates, for all we know. : )

@SJaneS48

OK, so what are Labour going to do that makes 'society' better and why does voting Tory make someone a 'tosser'?

We are high earners. I cannot vote as not British, but my DH voted Labour. I am voting Labour because I think I will be better off under Labour, my children’s future will be better taken care of and they stand for the society I want to live in. I don’t agree with all their policies. I also hope we get a lots of MPs from Greens and Lib Dem. I just want the Tories out!!

"I'm a high-earner but I'll happily pay more and more tax and make my family worse off because I care about 'society'"

Happy to admit that DH and I are both very high earners (top 1%) and will be voting Tory. We already have plans in place to ensure we wouldn't pay a penny more tax under a Labour government than we are currently happy to pay under the Tories.

Not if you are Scots, or Welsh or a unimpressed with Labour's stance on Brexit. No.

YAWWWWWWWWN

It's a no-brainer to join the Labour Party vote out Corbyn. Please do that. (even if you have to join to tories/lib Dems to even it out).

In order to have money going out, you need to actually have money coming in and if you have less of that there is a smaller pot actually take from in the first place.

*I'm not voting labour because I don't want my children to have to pay for compensation to WASPI women for years to come. Pension ages were equalised with men. This is fair.

I'm not voting labour because 40% income tax is more than enough for someone earning £85k.

I'm not voting labour because I don't want a party that allows their clear bias towards Palestine in the middle east against Israel to cross the line into antisemitism at times to be in power.

I'm not voting labour because I want someone in charge who doesn't stick up for Russian hit men, the IRA, the PLO at every opportunity.

I'm not voting labour because although I was against Brexit, the uncertainty is worse than anything. 2 divisive further referendums for Scotland and Brexit is the last thing we need.*

Totally agree and I don’t know one single person voting labour thank goddess

@PBo83 - show me where I said Tory voters are tossers! Someone virtue signalling they were going to vote Labour (and then voted Tory) or lying as you suggested all high earners who claimed to be voting Labour are (🥴) would be though, wouldn’t they?

Quite simply, I want to see an end to austerity, investment in the NHS (and not flogging it off to the Americans piece meal), investment in our schools (so they don’t need to send begging letters out to parents and can hire the staff they need) & a referendum on Brexit That might not be your idea of making society better but it’s mine.

@voteJC at 16.28 you said I was spreading fake news.
A quick search will confirm my understanding of the dividend tax is correct - allowance reduced and taxed at 20/40/45% not 7.5/32.5/38.1%

See for example Chartered Institute of Taxation www.tax.org.uk/media-centre/blog/media-and-politics/labour-set-out-radical-changes-taxation-capital-gains-dividends&ved=2ahUKEwiR5s_Eq67mAhUxpHEKHVN9DDEQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw0kLCylQYPnFH2UnB9INAfI&cshid=1576092982538

YABU strictly on the basis that you believe the promises of politicians. They can promise you anything, but that doesn't mean they'll carry through. An end to homelessness? I don't believe that's even possible, in the long term.

From my point of view, the WASPI issue isn't that the age at which women qualify for the state pension has increased. It's that George Osborne, when Chancellor, brought forward the date when the increase would take effect at very short notice. Women in a particular age group suddenly found they would have to work longer than they had anticipated, with little or no time to make alternative arrangements to allow them to retire at the date they had planned. I am one of them. If I had been born around six months earlier, I would have escaped Osborne's trap. (I have told my mother it was bad planning on her part!)

Definitely not voting labour. Looking at their campaign it seems like too many promises which means they either a) won't get round to doing anything or b) we will end up living in a Communist society by the next election. This of course doesn't take into account the allegations against his party of anti-semitism which, for anyone who reads history books (thinking of Germany in WW2, in particular), is an indication of how other ethnic minorities are viewed and treated; and of course the links to terrorist organisations. There are lots of reasons not to vote labour.

I don’t understand how you can just take them at their word? Of course they won’t do any of the things in your OP. They will raise the taxes and the magic money tree still won’t have enough for such hyperbole and absolutes. I certainly do not trust them with the country’s purse strings.

If your reasoning is that "anything a politician says is a lie", then why do you vote for anyone?

It’s telling that the Tory voters who think all high earners who vote for Labour must be virtue signallers. Not everyone votes only for their own benefit. Some of us care about others too. Is it so hard for Tory voters to believe?

I’m a lifelong Labour voter. I won’t be voting for them because JC is a communist idiot. I want to live in a capitalist society not a Marxist commune.

You need to do some research. Is the NHS communism. They think he is a centrist in Scandinavia.

@Lily193 - can you please DM me your tips because we're 💩 over here. In all seriousness, I 100% believe we need a fairer society but Labour's manifesto isn't it.

As a family with 1 x 6-figure earner on PAYE and an entrepreneur with a start-up Labour's income tax, corporate tax, dividend changes and VAT on private schools will leave us £1k per month worse off.

We choose private because state schools in our area are overcrowded and to be in the catchment area of a good one means you must be able to afford £1m+ as house prices are ridiculous. We couldn't afford that as millennials who got on the housing ladder in 2009 (could only borrow up to £400k). Prices have increased faster than our earnings so we still can't afford something next to the good schools.

We are fortunate that we won't have to choose whether to have heat or eat but discretionary spending will be cut and that will impact the independent services sector that we choose to support as meals out, new clothes, the cleaner, etc will all go.

The giveaways that Labour promises are at best 5 years away but the tax rises, and the consequences, will be immediate.

Policies don't exist in isolation and the risk is not that the billionaires will leave, it's that middle class families will bear the brunt of tax rises and won't have the discretionary income to put back into the economy.

I haven't read in their manifesto or heard in sound bites how they are going to stimulate growth and ensure those under £80k have more money in their pockets, it just seems like in the short term inequality will increase and resentment between people (who should be working together to fight the billionaires) will only get worse...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?storyfbid=2656861074392195&id=330250343871&notifft=livevideo&notiffid=1576080974777358&ref=m_notif

Wouldn't vote Labour as I'm not racist.

Alsohuman, I've read plenty on it and I have a mil that is classed as a waspi

Then you haven’t read enough and nor has your mil. No 1950s woman argues with equalisation of pension age and most were content to swallow the 1995 changes as they were planned well in advance and were quite gradual.

The 2011 escalation gave most of the affected women no time to plan, are much more extreme in terms of timing and the women weren’t notified. It’s very likely Waspi will win its court case and whichever government is in power will have to compensate them.

@libdumps guess you wont be voting tory then 👍

Tickled me.