To think if you earn under 85k or aren't selfish its a no brainier to vote Labour?
voteJC · 11/12/2019 15:04
It's closer than ever. They have promised to end homelessness, fix the NHS, the biggest grants ever to improve home insulation, pay the WASPI women the money that was taken from them and so much more.
The only down side is people earning over 85k will pay 5% more tax. It's so little for so much.
It's closer than ever and I the country would be so much better with labour.
Am I being unreasonable?AIBU
You have one vote. All votes are anonymous.
PineappleDanish · 11/12/2019 15:12
Fuck me I'm sick to the back teeth of these threads.
People should vote for whoever they like. Starting threads haranguing people for voting in a specific way just makes you out to be a total knob.
(And no, I won't be voting Conservative tomorrow. And I sure as hell won't be voting Labour either).
safariboot · 11/12/2019 15:16
So much for voters to decide.
Do you think they can or will do what they say they will? (This applies to all the parties).
Do you think the anti-Semitism controversy is an issue?
Do you agree with Labour's nationalisation plans?
Do you think there's any point trying to negotiate yet another possible Brexit deal with the EU?
And doubtless many more.
Personally I'd far prefer a Corbyn government to any more of Boris Johnson, but that doesn't mean I particularly like Labour at the moment.
skintbutok · 11/12/2019 15:17
Labour for me. The way I see it is if you vote Tory then you're saying that you're ok with all the lies and arrogance and no accountability. I'm more concerned about the horrific austerity measures that are killing people the Brexit farce. I'm currently having a Facebook cull of Tory "friends" and I'm wondering about my family. This government has destroyed people.
kingsassassin · 11/12/2019 15:19
Okay okay I get it. I'll vote Labour. Happy now?
I live in a lib dem/tory seat (current MP Lib dem) labour have no chance at all, but its fine I'll vote for them even though it might mean a conservative win just because you say so. Jeesus. At least this nonsense will stop on Friday.
Everanewbie · 11/12/2019 15:19
I'm not voting labour because I don't want my children to have to pay for compensation to WASPI women for years to come. Pension ages were equalised with men. This is fair.
I'm not voting labour because 40% income tax is more than enough for someone earning £85k.
I'm not voting labour because I don't want a party that allows their clear bias towards Palestine in the middle east against Israel to cross the line into antisemitism at times to be in power.
I'm not voting labour because I want someone in charge who doesn't stick up for Russian hit men, the IRA, the PLO at every opportunity.
I'm not voting labour because although I was against Brexit, the uncertainty is worse than anything. 2 divisive further referendums for Scotland and Brexit is the last thing we need.
MaMaMaMySharona · 11/12/2019 15:24
It's not always just between Tory and Labour for a lot of people, in many constituencies people are looking at voting Lib Dem/ Green to keep Tories out.
I'm lucky enough to be able to vote Labour in my area, but I'd vote tactically otherwise. I'd never even consider voting Tory, I have little respect for people who do if I'm honest.
To answer PP's questions above:
Do you think they can or will do what they say they will? (This applies to all the parties) I don't think Labour will be able to keep all promises, but I trust that they will work through them based on importance and my understanding is that the NHS and getting people out of poverty are the first targets. I'm happy with this.
Do you think the anti-Semitism controversy is an issue? I think it's an issue that our press have latched onto it so much for the Labour party, but not others, when quite a few independent studies have found that it's actually more prevalent elsewhere. Anti-semitism, and any other form of racism, is a stain on our country and needs to be dealt with at all levels.
Do you agree with Labour's nationalisation plans? Absolutely
Do you think there's any point trying to negotiate yet another possible Brexit deal with the EU? If it was up to me, I'd cancel the whole thing and pretend it never happened. But this is, of course, undemocratic and will piss a lot of people off. I think Labour's approach is the most comfortable in comparison to others. Negotiate a deal which isn't as damaging to our people/economy as Johnson's, then let people decide based on fact. I'm not really sure why people see this as such a bad thing (considering it's been made quite clear that the approach the Conservatives have taken doesn't work).
PoppyFleur · 11/12/2019 15:27
There are certain things that are so vitally important such as climate change, education and the NHS that should not be pawns for use by any political party. We need the best and brightest minds, regardless of party politics, to come together and define a cohesive long term strategy.
Also, we need a higher level of debate in the country. Since when did higher taxes translate into a bad thing? Better services, better education, better healthcare is worth paying for. Financial mismanagement is not.
jgjgjgjgjg · 11/12/2019 15:27
It comes down the whether you believe the promises. Do you really think it is easy to end homelessness, fix the NHS, the biggest grants ever to improve home insulation, pay the WASPI women the money that was taken from them and so much more?
5% extra tax on the highest earners will raise a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of those ambitions, nowhere even nearly enough. Where will the rest of the money come from?
PooWillyBumBum · 11/12/2019 15:27
My husband earns over 85k and we are voting labour. Honestly, we are very comfortable and will still be if our tax levels rise. I don’t want to live with Dickensian levels of poverty around us.
However, if we were in a marginal seat (Tory stronghold here) we would be voting anything but Tory. Can’t stand the lies, fake news and corruption they’re getting away with. Am disappointed to hear of the anti-semitism in Labour but Boris is an outright homophobic, racist, sexist pig and there are many recorded quotes to back it up. In my eyes slightly shaky leadership does not compare.
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