AIBU to ask you to read this before you vote

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I keep hearing people say that they will be worse off if they vote labour. Unless you’re very wealthy it’s simply not the case. This is just an example of what’s happening.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/break-embargo-expose-press-lies-labour

@ajandjjmum Try reading this:
fullfact.org/election-2019/ask-fullfact-labour-manifesto-tax/

Haven’t flung any insults that I can see?

Busybuzzbee - that is crazy talk.

You've told me Tory voters think 'that I’m alright, fuck anyone else', and your tone was disparaging to say the least. In my book, that is insulting pootroll. Clearly different standards.

Why should we be treated differently to couples who happen to be married?

Marriage doesn't just "happen" to people. It's a conscious decision and requires action. If you want the same rights as married couples, get married.

It's not the CGT that terrifies me but Labour's IHT plans, and that's fact and not made up unfortunately.

Spinderellacutituponetime
It's OK thanks - I've read masses over the past few weeks, and have made a considered decision on my vote.

Just incase you didn't see my message to you earlier, after you said my tax figures were wrong, I've copied them below, to confirm that anyone on £80K already pays £25K per annum in tax.

ajandjjmum Wed 11-Dec-19 12:48:52
Spinderellacutituponetime

From the HMRC calculations -

On a salary of £80,000 -

Your estimated take-home pay for 2019 is

£54,937.64 a year

HTH

Then I apologise if you were offended.

For those of us that deal with poor health, disabilities and caring on a daily basis, this government has an appalling track record. It’s difficult to place yourself in that position, I understand that but it’s only going to get worse and I don’t understand why those that have privileges don’t want to support anyone else.

The Tories have had 10 years to sort things out and in addition to austerity, which has been proven not have been needed to the extent that was implemented, UC, ATOS, PIP the benefit cap, bedroom tax have all caused levels of poverty particularly for children. Add in increased homelessness, reduction in funding for critical services and failure to manage the NHS and of course Brexit which is highly likely to result in a no deal then I can’t see which of their policies have helped any one other than the elite?

Is that phrased better?

@ajandjjmum I did read it. Just in case you haven't read mine:
According to the Labour manifesto, the party would set a new rate of 45% on earnings above £80,000. Therefore, someone earning exactly £80,000 a year would not pay any more income tax than at the moment.

I know that! Personally I think that £25K in tax on an £80K income is a pretty decent contribution. Particularly when you remember it's direct tax only.

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@GiveHerHellFromUs £500 is pennies to someone who is earning enough to pay that much in tax! Are you mad 😂

I'm voting for Labour as the least worst option, and the best chance of stopping Brexit.

Married tax allowance is downside of this but ultimately I value the other things more.

I wish there were a party I could wholeheartedly support, but there isn't.

Married tax allowance is only up to £238 a year so it’s not a huge loss.

£500 is pennies to someone who is earning enough to pay that much in tax!

Wait what?who said that? giveherhell ?

Ridiculous!

No, not a huge loss, Mustard but it seems wrong that those it will hit will be people with relatively low household incomes. However, I am looking at the bigger picture. Vote Labour in, stop Brexit, and then they can be voted out again if needs be.

Mistlewoeandwhine, how is it crazy talk. I have lived my entire life under Labour in Wales, which they have left a wasteland.
My Father and his friends can tell scary facts of Labour and unions during the miners strikes that snowflakes of today would faint at. I lived it, we were left with nothing, I'm the last generation of the mining children, I'm bloody glad the pits were closed as it stopped my nightmares of losing my and witnessing teachers removing my friends to tell them their fathers had died in a cave it! However the deal that was made by was bloody atrocious and the miners pension was dipped into during a Labour government.
But never mind its only an experience of a welsh childhood that was left without a penny of support by the bloody unions because they were too bust lining their own pockets.
Life moves on...for myself only to be screwed over by the GMB over Maternity representation because they backed my employer who failed to carry out a health and safety check on me...all in each other's pockets and they had the audacity last time to ask my support by voting Labour. I had to take private legal representation to win my case!
Based on my experiences of Labour and their ilk I will NEVER vote for them until they properly support the working class who they claim to stand for.

There will be tax increases for everyone, actually. - including taxes on energy bills, car fuel, air travel, pensions....

Anyone who thinks JC's manifesto comes without any cost to average households is seriously deluded!

Of course the Guardian is going to be biased. It's a shame the media can't be trusted.

Surely pensioners will benefit from a better NHS, as that is the time of life where we need more healthcare

Genuine question and I hope not ignorant, but when the wealth creators leave if JC gets in, what’s that going to do to the economy? Who will be footing the bill for his promises?

People accuse Tories of an ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude but I guarantee that millions are voting Labour because they will get showered with benefits and you know it.

@detachablehoof That's hilarious! Not just because most, if not all of the media are sat in the Tory pocket but because there has been an investigation by an independant body about all the online lying the Conservative party have been doing in their media campaigns. metro.co.uk/2019/12/10/investigation-finds-88-tory-ads-misleading-compared-0-labour-11651802/

Most people I know that support Labour and earn significant sums of money annually don't mind paying evtra to help support essential services, knowing that it will go towards the good of all and not the few.

Spinderellacutituponetime but just like people on low wages are voting labour for the benefit of their families, the people I know in the top 1% are also thinking of their families and inheritance tax. They have no problem paying an appropriately generous share of tax, but when they find themselves giving up their jobs to stack shelves in Tescos for the same take-home pay and a fraction of the stress, or more realistically leaving the country, who could blame them?

@Spinderellacutituponetime I certainly agree there is a lot of bias towards the Conservatives too. It truly is a pity we can't trust the media.

However I definitely trust the Conservative leadership a lot more than labour's!