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AIBU?

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Can't agree on name for baby: aibu?

243 replies

NoGuarantee · 07/12/2019 07:55

Baby is a week old. Throughout the pregnancy, I would try to talk to my husband about names, made a long list but we both knew we would want to meet the baby before agreeing on the name (we did the same with our daughter and realised that when born, to us, she didn't 'suit' the names we had shortlisted).

So baby is born, I let my husband know the names I think suit the baby and ask what he thinks. He says no to them all. Doesn't hugely elaborate why. I ask him for names he likes. He tells me two which I don't like, although I did say I'd compromise on the spelling for 1 (he wanted the traditional Welsh spelling despite the fact we have no connection to Wales in the slightest which I though would be a bit odd!) and the other I didn't like the 'full' name but would have compromised on the nickname being on the birth cert. Husband said no to nickname and alternative spelling.

I then sent a list of a new 5 names I liked and husband turns them all down, again, no real explanation why. He just says 'no, don't like them'. They are not out there or younique, or too American or anything weird. Think William, Bertie, Frank kind of thing.

Husband supplies list of 5 names which I also don't like. There are two names on there which I don't mind but one is very similar to my nephew (Lewis and Louis) and another is an old friend of the family so I feel it's like naming the baby after someone that we don't have a close enough relationship with. The other 2 names are the two I mentioned earlier (that ive offered compromises for) and a fifth name that I just don't actually like (Tristram).

So, my aibu. I grew this bloody baby for 9 months, put my back and hips out carrying him around commuting 3 hours a day (he weighed 10lb 6oz when born!), went through the labour and birth, am up all night breastfeeding him... AIBU to just demand one of my bloody names?

I know I am. I don't want a name for my baby that I don't like. Why should the dad have a name he doesn't like. But also... Why can't he just like one of my bloody suggestions or accept the compromise?

Help. Please don't reply with more names - there is not a name out there we haven't discussed.

I've sent him a new list of 5 I'd be happy with. Think Charlie, Freddie, Arthur... Type names.

Yabu: you need to keep going and find fresh names you can agree on

YANBU: try to persuade husband to agree to my favourite name based on the fact I'm the mum.

OP posts:
lynzpynz · 07/12/2019 11:23

@NoGuarantee wait he's snoring his head off in the spare room and you're up all night doing all the feeding, changing and settling? Never mind names - get him up to help you've just given birth and need help! He might not be able to BF but he can take his turn of changing nappies and also pass baby to you to sleepily feed then take back and settle them if they're not cluster feeding! He's on paternity leave at the moment yes?

Also I'd go for Ernest and use Ernie, he can't stop you if you keep using it can he?

IdleBet · 07/12/2019 11:26

I wouldn't accept my partner demanding a name that I didnt like. Exactly! What type of man would do this.

DontBiteTheBoobThatFeedsYou · 07/12/2019 11:26

We had the same with our third boy. DH would say no to my 4629 suggestions but offer precisely fuck all in return.

It's infuriating. I just wanted to add my sympathies.

DontBiteTheBoobThatFeedsYou · 07/12/2019 11:27

P.S call him Albie.

crispysausagerolls · 07/12/2019 11:35
  1. I never understand the whole “we wanted to get to know the baby first” - newborns have no personality and all look the same. All names suit them, it’s a purely psychological thing and so much aggro to not decide beforehand.
  2. for goodness sake put a proper name on the birth certificate. A nickname isn’t a real name, it’s unkind to put your child in a situation as an adult where his name is Ernie and not Ernest, maybe he will be prime minister or something serious and his name will be fucking Ernie. He will be called Ernie as a nickname anyway because that’s what happens and your husband won’t be able to stop it.
  3. if your DH won’t compromise then I would reach my limit and name the baby whatever I liked. Try the whittling, if he is going to be an arsehole yet again then forget it. I do think, having been through labour, men have a cheek suggesting they have as much as a say. Maybe that’s sexist and bullshit but it’s hell on earth and we deserve a little bloody extra as a recognition of that. 🤷🏻‍♀️
WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 07/12/2019 11:36

I disagree. It's not like men are opting out of carrying the baby, they physically can't do it. I'm sorry you're suffering with the pregnancy, but deciding on a name should be a joint decision.

I disagree, I think a mother feeling entitled to preference over a first name isn’t any worse than 90% of fathers automatically assuming baby should get their surname. My DH did that- the majority of men I know have done that and an agreement of anything different is a ‘compromise’.

Then there’s the shocking statistics of how many fathers actually stick around. I have no reason to believe my DH won’t but I’m sorry when baby first arrives mum has done 95% of the work and is entitled to baby!

The surname thing is a separate matter, though. Of course, there's room for discussion if the parents have different surnames, but a great many babies (even these days) are born to married parents who have the same surname, so of course the baby will get the family surname. The woman choosing whether or not to take her new husband's name at marriage is a different matter entirely. The father can assume all he likes that the baby gets his surname if the mother's surname is different, but it doesn't automatically mean that that's what happens.

As we read so many times on MN, a woman who has a baby without being married is seriously risking ending up at a great disadvantage compared to a married woman. Entirely her choice, of course.

The problem with taking the attitude that, because the woman has had to go through all the pregnancy and birth single-handedly and most of the post-birth baby work (especially if BF) will likely also fall to her, she should get the final say on everything baby-related - and the father should always have to be grateful for anything he's allowed to have a say in - is that you can end up making a rod for your own back.

If it's your baby, then why should he have to contribute anything when you ask/expect him to? You put him in his place in the early years, so why should he step up now?

Do you also think that, as the baby is basically yours with him as an accessory who probably won't stick around (and, again, an awful lot of good men do stay around and are loving, caring fathers, even if your own relationship breaks down), you should have no right to expect him to financially support 'your' child?

Even within the bounds of a happy, secure marriage that stays the course, and if you've both decided for the woman to be a SAHM, would you say that the baby name is your decision, because you did all of the hard baby work whereas which house you buy and where you live is his decision, because his wage pays the mortgage and all the household bills? Would you extend it to silly things as well, such as he gets to decide what meals you eat, because only he is strong enough to open some of the jars or lift a big sack of potatoes out of the boot?

That attitude is just a race to the bottom. Yes, many relationships do fail and you have to put measures in place to protect yourself; but it's very sad to have just had a baby together and be making decisions on the basis that he may well not stick around anyway, so assume that he won't.

In OP's case, her husband is being very selfish in basically choosing the very few names he likes and refusing to waver, simply waiting until he 'wins' and OP ends up with a name she really doesn't like at all. He needs to learn to compromise and come up with or sanction a lot more potential names.

However, even if neither of you gets your first choice, it really does show a terrible lack of respect for either parent to expect the other one to have to call their child a name they really cannot stand, just by virtue of refusing to budge an inch.

AJPTaylor · 07/12/2019 11:39

What's the name that you both like that is also the name of family friend?
Do that.

FizzyGreenWater · 07/12/2019 11:43

Will the baby have the surname that has come from his side?

Then you get final say over the first name.

I agree that he is just trying to wear you down.

Tell him the baby is categorically NOT going to be called any of the names on his list. You are prepared to compromise on your loved list, he WILL do the same. The end.

Then tell him you're actually extremely upset about this, as the person who's just given birth, as the person who has shown willingness to compromise - you're disappointed in him.

That you feel he is trying to bully you into him getting his way as that's what he's like, so much so that you can tell him now that if you were to call your son any of the names on his list you'd associate his name with the fact your H is a bully even when you've just given birth.

That he's spoiling the first few days with your new baby.

Tell him you expect him to show that he's on your family's team just as you have, by being willing to compromise.

flouncyfanny · 07/12/2019 11:44

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Peanutty86 · 07/12/2019 11:53

I've not read all the comments but this was us when we had our son.
I hoped that once he'd seen me go through pregnancy and labour he'd be more willing to compromise. (I already let him have the pushchair he wanted 🙄).
Our baby was born and we trialled a few names, one we both liked but baby ended up in SCBU so husband said it's a bad omen..... he'd already booked an appointment to register the birth so pressure was on. I managed to talk him into pushing it a week and yet we were still without an agreed name when we were on the way there. When the lady asked the name husband said 'well I guess we'll call him wife's chosen name then, which had me burst out in tears as I didn't want a well that's what it is then... name and said no we'll call him your choice to which the lady said maybe you should go out and have a coffee, discuss and come back or come back next week, there's no rush. - there was as we needed to apply for a passport due to booked travelling. Anyway, we went though our lists again and despite me asking him not to he send the names to his best friend and he came back saying 'ohhhh I really like this one, it's not very common but still sounds familiar!'. It wasn't my no. 1 choice (I'd chosen this name just after we got together and even had a screenshot of a message I sent to my brother back then, which I hadn't shown him....) anyway, we went with the one his friend liked, and I think my husband is now happy with it. It's the most difficult thing to name a child. After we had the certificate I showed him the screenshot of the message and he said 'let's go back and change it to this name. I didn't realise you really had your heart set on it.' We didn't go back, I didn't want to win for the sake of getting my way, I wanted to name our child and both like the name.
We're currently TTC #2 and he agreed we will shortlist together this time!
I hope you can find a name you both like. Have you trialled a name? Maybe just call baby the name you like and see if husband takes to it and gets used to it? You still have time before registering the birth.... I found the outside pressure from family and friends really awful....

RhiWrites · 07/12/2019 11:57

I like all of his names more than yours, sorry, OP. But I say again, seeing his list, find a Welsh name you like - since he clearly likes Welsh names.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 07/12/2019 12:05

I agree that Hal is nothing like Hywell (or Hywel). Do you really like it apart from the worry about the Welsh spelling? If so I wouldn't worry about that I think most people would know how to pronounce it.

I like Hywel and have taught a couple (pronounced Howell).

I don't think most non-Welsh speakers do know how to pronounce it, though. If an owner of that name pronounces his own name as 'Howell' then that's entirely his decision and what others should call him, just as if his Irish cousin Siobhan chooses to be called 'Sye-a-ban'; but that's not how the name is traditionally pronounced. I've known (Welsh) men called Hywel before and everybody (apart from fellow Welsh people, and not even all of those) have called them 'Howell', 'Highwell', 'Harwell' etc but virtually never 'Huh-well' (which still doesn't exactly render the actual pronunciation perfectly).

Why does he object to calling him Howell, which I assume is how he's assuming it's pronounced. It does sound a strange thing for somebody with no connection to Wales to specifically choose Hywel rather than Howell, which, although not common, is not unheard of.

Even if he does know how to specifically pronounce the Welsh name Hywel, if you don't live in Wales (which I assume you don't, otherwise you wouldn't have said you have no connection with the country), he can be assured that almost everybody will call him Howell anyway - the only difference will be that many people will hesitate or ask for clarification before knowing how to address him for the first time rather than just going straight in with "Hi, you must be Howell?"

There's another current thread with parents wanting a traditional Irish spelling of a name, even though they don't now live in Ireland. The big, big difference, though, is that they ARE Irish and that is their own culture.

To an extent, the name has already been widely Anglicised anyway in the surname Powell, which originally came from Ap Hywel, or 'son of Hywel'.

neverornow · 07/12/2019 12:13

I like what @TeenPlusTwenties suggested

I would do this and if you end up with a few green names, put those names into a hat and pick one out

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 07/12/2019 12:13

I still can't get over the idea that somebody would be quite happy calling their child by their own absolute favourite name for their whole life, knowing full well that their beloved spouse/partner really hated it every time they heard it.

I'd understand if there were only 10 names to choose from, but there are absolutely loads. Even countries that have approved lists from which you must choose one would give you a couple of hundred or more choices. We had a book called '50,000 Baby Names' (granted, a lot of them looked very made up Grin)

BlackCatSleeping · 07/12/2019 12:15

Give the app a try. You might come up with a name you haven’t thought about so far.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 07/12/2019 12:17

Go with Aiden and make family friend change his name? grin

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

OP: "Little Aiden - meet your lovely 'Uncle' Hywel!"
Aiden: "What the what now?!?!?!?!"

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

ICanTuckMyBoobsInMyPockets · 07/12/2019 12:19

Don't give in and give baby a name you don't like.

I begged and cried to change it before the appointment, but he wouldn't compromise. The more I asked the more he dug his heels in.

Now we're seperating because he's a cunt and I'm left with a child who I totally adore but I name I hate.

MikeUniformMike · 07/12/2019 12:21

@NoGuarantee, Hywell is wrong. LL is not two Ls, it's a separate letter.
The anglicised spelling is Howell.

I love the name Hywel BUT it's difficult to pronounce if you don't speak Welsh. (It is HUH-well not Hugh-ull.)
Y and W are vowels in Welsh, but will get transposed, and given that your OH has misspelt it already, will be a PITA for your DS.
You could opt for the anglicised version and call DS Howell.

Tristram is quite nice, but I'm not keen on Tris.

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 07/12/2019 12:21

When our first child was born, I assumed we would use the name we had picked together for him (years before, during infertility testing/treatment). But every time I mentioned it, my husband was very non-committal and eventually I realised that he was set on a name but didn't want to say so. He wanted to name the baby after his (truly horrid and abusive) father. I objected because he has the same name as his father (although different middle names) and I didn't want a lifetime of nobody knowing which one I was talking or referring to. I also think that naming your child after yourself is a bit...wanky. The only compromise he was prepared to offer was to give our son the Gaelic version of the name. I was truly afraid that he would leave me if I didn't agree and I had both a nasty post-natal infection and PND, so I let him have his way.

The name is very difficult to spell and very long (had to be double-barrelled because otherwise husband and son would be called by the same name). It's also almost impossible for anyone who is not a Gaelic-speaker to pronounce properly (or at all!), so trips to see my family in England are fun!

If I had realised how resentful of the name I would become, I would never have agreed to it. I chose the names of our other four children, although some were named after members of his family and all have nice, sensible spellings.

If your husband isn't willing to discuss it, then it becomes a case of one person having to "lose". I lost and I still feel that I was bullied over the name of my first child. He is 17 now and it still clouds how I feel about his birth and the time just after it.

Don't be me.

SquishyLint · 07/12/2019 12:34

I felt the same 😂 luckily he was ok with my choice. I let my husband pick the middle name, well I picked the one I liked best out of his five.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 07/12/2019 12:39

Thanks, MikeUniformMike - I would have been genuinely disappointed not to see you in a thread about a Welsh baby name Smile Grin

Yes, I hadn't even twigged about the addition of an additional 'l' at the end, which would make it's pronunciation into something even harder for a non-Welsh speaker to countenance - if they even realised that the letter 'll' is not the same as two 'l's. People give it a passing thought if it's at the beginning of a word, but never if it's at the end.

Maybe they should set up border patrols at the boundaries of Llanelli and categorically refuse entry to anybody who can't pronounce the name of the town perfectly Grin

Peregrina · 07/12/2019 12:41

Do you think he would accept Howell? Howell Ernest sounds quite good.

BTW Loius Armstrong pronounced his name Lewis, and the town of St Loius in Missouri is pronounced St Lewis.

MikeUniformMike · 07/12/2019 12:45

Agree with WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll that Hywel isn't quite Huh-well.

A teacher upthread posted that the name matters, and I second this.
Just as important, if not more so, is how do the Firstname and Surname sound together.

TheRightHonerable · 07/12/2019 12:50

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

I don’t disagree with the points you’ve made but I don’t think it’s relevant in the OP’s circumstances. In my first post I did say ‘it should be a compromise wherever possible’ but OP’s DH is flatly rejecting her lists and isn’t even happy with her ‘compromises’ on his list.

It sounds to me like OP has just carried and given birth to DC whilst for some unknown reason her DH think he has naming rights???
Absolutely not OP - my point, and I stand by it, is that IF anyone gets the ultimate choice because a decision/compromise can’t be reached then it’s you not him.

I’m not saying that a mother has absoloute control over every decision in a baby’s life but I am saying that IF a dad isn’t being reasonable/compromising then yes mum takes priority!

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 07/12/2019 12:53

I don’t disagree with the points you’ve made but I don’t think it’s relevant in the OP’s circumstances. In my first post I did say ‘it should be a compromise wherever possible’ but OP’s DH is flatly rejecting her lists and isn’t even happy with her ‘compromises’ on his list.

Didn't I say that at the end of my ramble post?

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