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Original poster

So, my job is under threat (again) because of Brexit.

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KenDodd · 02/12/2019 16:12

Some jobs were cut last year as a direct result of Brexit, I survived the cut. Now it looks like the whole company might collapse (hopefully not) all because of Brexit, I didn't vote for any of this.

Aibu to be angry and blame the people who did vote for it?

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Mamamia456 · 03/12/2019 09:23

KenDodd - Perhaps you should change your circle of friends if they're racist.

I agree this is a horrible thread, I would hate to belong to some of these families. I know people who voted leave and others who voted remain. None of us have fallen out. Why would we?

Blibbyblobby · 03/12/2019 09:30

What is it, exactly, that you assume I didn't understand

The complexity of removing the UK from the regulatory framework under which we currently do any international business.

But I may be doing you a disservice.

What, exactly, do you think the best way to manage that transition is, what exactly do you expect to be put in place instead, what exactly do you estimate the economic impact to be during the transition and long term, and exactly how long do you expect that transition to take?

Original poster
KenDodd · 03/12/2019 09:32

Devereux1
So you fully understood all the implications of Brexit?
Because I admit, I didn't.
For example on the economy, what do I know about economics, not much. I'll just go with what 90+% of economists think, I'm sure they've got a better grasp of it than me and if they think Brexit is a shit idea I'll just go with what they say. It's like climate change, wtf do I know about it, I'll just go with what the vast majority of climate scientists think. I know we are now living it a world where the views of experts are worth no more that Dave down the pub, as a result a significant (and growing) number of people think the world is fucking flat.

Mamamia456
They're my family, not my friends.

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Devereux1 · 03/12/2019 09:34

Blibbyblobby
But I may be doing you a disservice

Thank you. Yes you are.

I do wish people, from all sides, on every topic out there not just Brexit, would refrain from this relatively recent thing of always assuming that someone with an opposing view just needs more education, or "doesn't understand" what they want, or what the issues are.

I see it in students, I see it in SJWs, I am new to MN and really surprised and saddened to see it from some adults here too.

OllyBJolly · 03/12/2019 09:40

Brexit hasn’t actually happened yet

You must be living in a very sheltered world if you think that the uncertainty over Brexit hasn't impacted on business - especially SME businesses. Just some of my customers:

Manufacturing business exporting 80% of output lost customers who wanted a European supplier
Pharma company had to have EU HQ to remain trading with EU client base
furniture supplier to FE/HE sector seriously impacted as concern over European grant funding
Electrical contractors working with hotel chains where refurb programmes slowing down due to lack of forward bookings from EU customers
IT company lost key EU staff members who can easily work anywhere in EU and have way more stability

bloody shitstorm

Original poster
KenDodd · 03/12/2019 09:41

Devereux1
You didn't answer my question.

I would argue even the experts didn't understand all the implications of Brexit.

You might be an expert in economics (or whatever) I think it's very unlikely you're also an expert in Irish history, and EU/Internation law, and physics (EURATOM) etc.

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Devereux1 · 03/12/2019 09:43

KenDodd
Apologies, what was your question? I have missed it.

Hester54 · 03/12/2019 09:47

Did the OP ever feel sorry for many people that lost their jobs, while we were in the EU?

Thornhill58 · 03/12/2019 09:50

What Brexit exactly? When did it happen? Maybe I was sleep when we left?
So many excuses so much blame over Brexit when we haven't even left.
Delay and uncertainty has been more damaging than Brexit.
The EU is like hotel California you can't ever leave.

Original poster
KenDodd · 03/12/2019 09:51

Devereux1
So you fully understood all the implications of Brexit?

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AmIAWeed · 03/12/2019 09:51

@KenDodd so if "I would argue even the experts didn't understand all the implications of Brexit."

Why are you blaming every person who voted leave?

No-one fully understood from either side, and I doubt they do now, it's all best guesses. It was a vote for status quo or an unknown change. For many, who voted leave they needed something to change because the current system isn't right for them.
The status quo is right for you.

Doesn't make either vote right or wrong.

People voted on what they believe is right for them (which sadly does include some, but not all, racist beliefs) , in time people may think their decision was wrong (remainers and leavers), but at least they voted.
We should allow people to feel safe in their right to vote.
We should not discriminate against people on their political beliefs
We should allow people to discuss why they voted in a way without attacking them (which this, and every thread i've read on here does)
ESPECIALLY when "even the experts didn't understand all the implications of Brexit."

Thornhill58 · 03/12/2019 09:54

@aveline161 you are completely mad to vote Labour. I pray to God JC will never be PM. Vote to be poor for the many not the few.

Devereux1 · 03/12/2019 09:55

KenDodd
Devereux1 So you fully understood all the implications of Brexit?

OP, what a completely bizarre question. What does "fully" mean?

At what point would I be able to know if I "fully" understood anything in the universe?

Why are you asking this question?

Thornhill58 · 03/12/2019 10:03

Europe is in recession tell me one country that is doing amazing?
If the euro zone collapses you'll wish we were out. Our liabilities are going to be enormous.
We didn't want to leave just because. We wanted to leave because we can see that very few countries are contributing to the pot. We are the equivalent of 19 other countries.
We are the rich uncle of Europe. I personally wanted reforms but they didn't. I'm sick of being dictated by unelected autocrats.
I want to be able to be in charge of our laws.

Torchlightt · 03/12/2019 10:04

Devereux1 - how many referendums do we want? 100? Unlimited retakes?
No. We want 1 retake. Just 1. Now that we have more information on how disastrous a hard Brexit will be. Once we are out of the EU it will be too late for another referendum. As you well know.

Devereux1 · 03/12/2019 10:05

Torchlightt
No. We want 1 retake. Just 1.

Why just 1? Why has it always for 3 years been just 1?

Torchlightt · 03/12/2019 10:05

Wages in the UK have barely risen in years. Very different from the rest of Western Europe.

Torchlightt · 03/12/2019 10:08

It's obvious Devereux 1. A chance to review the Leave decision now we have some actual knowledge of the disaster that we are on the edge of. While there is still time to change our mind. Very soon, it will be too late.

nibdedibble · 03/12/2019 10:13

OP I am very sorry to read this and not surprised.

My business is at threat also. It's a series of indirect disadvantages that are making the UK unappealing and uncompetitive - there's no one or two hurdles for me to clear in order to turn it around.

In one way I have to shrug and say, well the climate is what it is, I made hay while the sun shone. In another, I am so so sad as it means a lot of good people losing their businesses in turn, which are tiny but have sustained families, kept people out of the welfare state etc. There are literally millions like them and there are no fixes to be had: it's simply that the UK will become/is becoming a bad place for imports and exports, tourism, investment.

My anger is at the lack of rigour and care which is leading to perfectly hard-working, innovative and generous contributors to the country being shat on for some fuckwitted idea that we'll have fewer foreign languages spoken on the bus or I don't know, Britain will be great again. That ship has sailed now, amazed that Brexit supporters don't see it and try to turn it around, but here we are.

MintyMabel · 03/12/2019 10:20

YANBU to be put out but ultimately this is a part of life

Easy to say when it isn't your job on the line.

Brexit hasn't happened yet

Are you so unaware, that you can't see how Brexit could impact things already? The uncertainty in the economy, people preparing their businesses for an inevitable slump? Brexit is on every project risk register and several have been put on hold because it is impossible to predict turn out costs and could end up with projects being half built and clients run out of money.

companies always go out of business

Oh well, that's ok then. If businesses struggle because 17million people voted to decimate the country, we just have to accept that. Many businesses who were previously doing really well are struggling through no fault of their own.

Devereux1 · 03/12/2019 10:23

Torchlightt
It's obvious Devereux 1. A chance to review the Leave decision

Let's say you have your second referendum and Remain wins. Do we get the chance to have another referendum to review the Remain decision?

MintyMabel · 03/12/2019 10:26

How soon after any election/referendum do you think another election/referendum should take place?

The next will be our 3rd general election in 4 years. We can vote so regularly (because if changing circumstances) on something which at worst affects us for 5 years and that's entirely democratic but we can't have another vote on something which affects us forever despite the massive change in circumstances in 3 years because of democracy?

Devereux1 · 03/12/2019 10:33

Oh well, that's ok then. If businesses struggle because 17million people voted to decimate the country, we just have to accept that.

Do you think if Labour were to win the next General Election, we would have to accept that, or not?

Patroclus · 03/12/2019 10:52

And this is why the average simpleton shouldnt be allowed to vote on these thing, Fairyliz.

Its almost as if political decisions have economic consequences....

CanIHaveADrink · 03/12/2019 11:06

Did the OP ever feel sorry for many people that lost their jobs, while we were in the EU?

@Hester54 Can you tell me when people have lost jobs in that way when the UK was fully in the EU? ( isay fully beause actually the UK is STILL in the EU enjooyng most of the perks, incl the free trade)?
Because i cant think of any. I can think of many global recessions and bad managemnets on the side of the UK government though.