So, my job is under threat (again) because of Brexit.

[KenDodd]

Some jobs were cut last year as a direct result of Brexit, I survived the cut. Now it looks like the whole company might collapse (hopefully not) all because of Brexit, I didn't vote for any of this.

Aibu to be angry and blame the people who did vote for it?

OP, did you vote in the referendum?

Yes, I voted Remain, mainly because of the affect Leave would have (is having) on the peace in Northern Ireland but for a lot of other reasons as well. I struggled to see a single benefit of leaving. I didn't for a minute think my own job would be affected but if I'd thought about it properly it would have been obvious.

Am I being too optimistic? I’m really hoping that everyone who is against Brexit will vote Labour.....

because that’s going to be good for the exchange rate and business (not). Tory/Leave the EU and the £ falls, Labour/Remain in the EU and the £ falls (Labour/Brexit doesn’t even bare thinking about). One outcome will be worse than the other but you pays your money and takes your choice on the 12th as to which will be worse.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today/12445-pound-to-euro-and-dollar-election-complacency/amp

@KenDodd No of course YANBU

Brexit is going to be a financial disaster for most people in the UK, including the people who voted to leave the EU - a lot of them poor, precarious workers - turkeys voting for Christmas really.

Of course, Johnson, Rees-Mogg and all their mates stand to make quite a lot of money - I gather Rees-Mogg's hedge fund has already made profits from the instability.

It's obscene really.

And those saying it's not Brexit, it's because of the uncertainty, maybe they can answer this that I posted earlier?

As for companies holding off investment. Well, why is that? If Brexit is so great why are they worried about investing in the UK? The only reason I can see for businesses not investing is because they don't know if they'll be leaving the country or not.

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/02/uk-factories-are-laying-off-workers-at-fastest-rate-for-seven-years
no blinking comment
nothing to do with Brexit how could it be?
Most of our business has been intertwined with Europe they are our nearest neighbours. We have had close & successful relationship with them for decades & improvements in safety for the environment & health & safety especially at work, we have had support for workers rights particularly for women. We have had workers from the eu who have helped our economy & supported our understaffed agriculture & health & social care, we have had joint research as equal partners, & joint investment in many scientific & technological companies pan European - we have had seamless border & at the same time we have joined up security & policing. there have been very few alternative agreements with other countries coming forward & those that might may force us as junior partners accept condition that will not be good for our country as a whole or as individual citizens. (Still steaming bout this)

Labour are not going to win a majority. They best they can hope for is a hung parliament with them in charge, second referendum, cancel Brexit, government collapses. Corbyn is not going to be able to get his policies though without a big majority and there's no chance of him getting that. Compare that to Boris Johnson, with a big majority, having purged the Tories of all the moderates and replaced them with extremist MPs.

Hopefully a hung parliament would remove the extremist leadership on both sides.

@KenDodd that's about the best I can see

I'm praying (literally, praying on my knees) for a hung parliament. A Tory majority would be utterly devastating. I have not heard one single reason that's positive and good for people voting Tory....just that they don't like Corbyn. Oh...and they want Brexit done which is absolute lies from the Tories.

Brexit hasn’t actually happened yet so I am bemused as to how your employer knows the exact effects of it happening

I live in a European country and work for a very large company. We used to procure services from the UK but have now started avoiding using UK companies where possible, due to uncertainty of them continuing to be able to provide services and people on the ground post-Brexit.

I feel very sad that it’ll impact people’s jobs but 52% of those made redundant probably feel it’s not in vain.

Then I feel weird feeling more concerned about the impact of Brexit on British workers than their government does.

It’s not all bad. It’s great if you are a solicitor in a magic circle law firm or one of the larger accounting businesses. How amazing to have a scenario in which every single one of your clients needs detailed regulatory advice to manage a constantly evolving yet unavoidable set of scenarios. Brexit is a money making machine.

It’s also great if you are a well funded disaster capitalist or a specialist in insolvency.

To the PP who doesn’t care about negative affects of Brexit because apparently everyone in London didn’t care about miners 40+ years ago...pretty sure Thatcher was northern so you can piss off with your anti-London bollocks .

Anyway, how do you think former mining towns will fare post Brexit? Delusional.

Some people didn't care about the miners strike, so I don't care about job losses now is the weirdest take on Brexit i have ever heard.

Labour are not going to win a majority. They best they can hope for is a hung parliament with them in charge, second referendum, cancel Brexit, government collapses

Where does that leave the country though?

Is that going to safeguard jobs?

@Fairyliz impeccable logic of a Brexiter bravo! Because entrepreneurs are as dim as MPs and are thus utterly incapable of catering for less then ideal outcomes.

Moomin12345

It could also be argued that ignoring people's issues and shutting down discussions by calling them racists and thick (or blaming the EU) isn't a particularly logical position and is one of the reasons why we are in this mess.

@Suzy0wl4 what do you mean? Lib Dem’s aren't going to get a majority. The only option is Labour, because they’re attempting to be neutral and give everyone a second chance to decide. That’s why they’re not campaigning either way. So it’s Tory Leave, or Labour choice. Or Lib Dem wasted vote (sad to say)

What are you referring to exactly?

Thank you for asking!

The lie that leaving the EU would free up £350M of public spending that could be spent elsewhere is a big one, obviously.

But Leave was also claiming we'd have tariff-free access to the single market without the same obligations that members have, as per this BBC article from before the referendum: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36249625
""The UK, as the second largest economy in the EU and the biggest export market for the rest of the EU, we will have tariff-free access to the rest of the EU when we vote to leave. I believe that will happen." " - Matthew Elliot, Chief Executive of Vote Leave.
Long way away from the WTO rules now being bandied about, eh?

Goodness me, if I hadn't paid much attention to the EU other than rolling my eyes at silly b-EU-rocrat stories and then someone told me we could have our cake and eat it, I would probably have voted for that too!

And given how close the vote was, this stuff made a difference, as Dominick Cummings himself acknowledged: "If Boris, Gove, and Gisela had not supported us and picked up the baseball bat marked ‘Turkey/NHS/£350 million’ with five weeks to go, then 650,000 votes might have been lost."
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/dominic-cummings-brexit-referendum-won/

And of course if we widen to lies in general rather than just lies about the benefits of leaving the EU (because let's face it, Leave had its own Project Fear going on too), there is the assertion that "Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey are joining the EU" Not "are in the process of joining but can be stopped by a veto", but a flat "Are". You can see that ad along with the rest of Vote Leave's targeted Facebook ads in this submission to a committee of MPs investigating fake news
www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/culture-media-and-sport/Fake_news_evidence/Vote-Leave-50-Million-Ads.pdf
(The £350M is there as well. Lots of times!)

Those adverts are awful, I can't believe how many lies they told. It makes me so angry, even Dominic Cummings has admitted Leave wouldn't have won without the lies.

Brexit created my job for me so it's full circle

I live and work in Germany

Right after May's speech in January 2017 that Britain would leave the EU Single Market, German manufacturing firms have been dumping UK suppliers and choosing from E27 suppliers

Margaret Thatcher came from Grantham in Lincolnshire so not really northern. She’s History now but the old mining communities are still there and many people wanted to give the EU and the government a good kicking so voted Leave. They were kicking themselves of course.

Labour, if it was New Labour, would get my vote now. But Corbyn and Momentum Labour will not. Too many expensive policies and too Trot for me. So I guess it’s a Lib Dem vote! At least their policies make fiscal sense. No huge expense of Brexit.

And where is Rees Mogg? Silent for all this election? No smarmy lies? Why are the good people of Somerset so gullible? How can they even consider voting for him? It’s beyond me. I want the sensible middle ground back!

I don't imagine ex-mining towns will be booming post Brexit, certainty. What I was pointing out was that historically the way the British public voted has resulted in absolutely devastating policies that have crippled certain people and areas. Brexit is the latest. The hand wringing and the "I feel sick and angry" is coming from those who feel it will hit them particularly hard.

For many people this happened regularly in the past. You learn to deal with it.

There wasn't much sympathy anywhere when UK jobs we're moving to Europe, putting working class people out of work prior to the referendum.

What working class jobs moved to Europe? We had pretty high employment rates. Most people complained about EU workers coming here and “taking our jobs”.

I think those who will lose most are blissfully ignorant. I listen to them on the radio and tv most days just parroting “get Brexit done”. Do you see how all these slogans have 3 words? Like “drain the swamp”, “lock her up”. What a load of stupid people we are to be so manipulated!

I do rather agree we get the Governments we vote for but unless you belong to a political party and are active, you don’t actually get to choose anyone! The candidates, very right wing or very left wing, are chosen by active party members. My local normal Conservative mp is out. A Brexit leaver from London has been adopted as candidate. Of course. My DH runs a medium sized company. We are well off but we won’t vote for a Tory Brexit mp. Labour won’t get in here. I want a standard, middle of the road, sensible mp. Preferably one that understands the damage Brexit will do. Fat chance of that!

Brexit hasn’t actually happened yet so I am bemused as to how your employer knows the exact effects of it happening

OMG so nieve

Brexit has already hit our house prices which have platued in london in the last 3 years since the refurendum. I saw this first hand when I went to remortgage.

I worked in a bank where it has resulted in many job losses.

This is real and I have no patience for stupid people who dont want to see the reality of this.