So, my job is under threat (again) because of Brexit.

[KenDodd]

Some jobs were cut last year as a direct result of Brexit, I survived the cut. Now it looks like the whole company might collapse (hopefully not) all because of Brexit, I didn't vote for any of this.

Aibu to be angry and blame the people who did vote for it?

Of course YANBU

But I would direct the anger at the MP’s we have all been duped from having a referendum that was not thought out at all no detailed discussions/debates in parliament, from the lies during the campaign to MP’s claiming they want to agent another referendum but dragging their feet and doing so little about it

It’s all been an utter sham

What a piss poor anti brexit thread this is. Half arsed copy and pasting.
No real aggression. Have you finally given up?

The election has made many give up. As I said, I haven’t chosen my candidate in a strong Tory Seat. They therefore won’t represent me. So what can I do? The previous Tory mp was decent. This one won’t be. Any old Tory would get in here but now we have a Leaver. This was a very narrow Leave area and lots of young people live here. No one represents their views at all. Leavers have actually played the long game and now everyone “wants Brexit done”. Which is, of course, a load of rubbish but against the turkeys believe it.

Hate to break it to you OP but there are a number of UK industries doing better because of Brexit. That's the nature of politics.

Hate to break it to you OP but there are a number of UK industries doing better because of Brexit.

Which industries?

Yanbu :-(

According to The Guardian on 1st November

Britain’s factories suffered a sixth consecutive month of falling new orders in October as ongoing Brexit uncertainty hit demand from domestic customers.
Weak global demand for British manufactured goods also played a part in forcing firms to lay off workers for the seventh straight month, according to a survey of the industry.

And from the Financial Times in 2018 the sectors facing the heaviest impact of Brexit

These are financial services, the automotive industry, agriculture, the food and drink sector, and chemical and plastics

Wildorchidz

These are financial services, the automotive industry, agriculture, the food and drink sector, and chemical and plastics

So sectors that have caused major issues in the past, have been in decline for years, have an over reliance on EU workers, or need to be reduced due to what we are currently being told about climate change.
By chemical are you also including medical and pharmaceutics?

So sectors that have caused major issues in the past, have been in decline for years, have an over reliance on EU workers, or need to be reduced due to what we are currently being told about climate change.

In this context they're been discussed as important employers. Wherter their values align with yours is a completely different discussion.

To the poster who blamed Londoners regarding the miners strike. Sorry you don’t get to blame Londoners of today whilst letting Thatcher, the non-Londoner who was responsible off the hook. Londoners of today have nothing to do with miners strike 40+ years ago.

Also if you track voting history, the majority of London usually votes Labour or more liberal candidates than much of the rest of the country so we are not to blame for Tory cuts either. Boris Johnson as mayor was an anomaly because people were impressed (not me) because he was off the telly. So next time think before you slag of 10 million people.

Happysummer2020

In this context they're been discussed as important employers.

financial yes, but it is a localised employer (as far as the UK is concerned)
Are you just going to ignore that automotive is a continual decline, the UK industry has been losing out to worldwide companies for years.
Agriculture has itself to blame, they undercut there workforce for cheap labour and are now moaning that the locals won't work for peanuts.
Food and drink has always been a poor employer and relies on low pay and tips.
the last one has already been done.

Lets not excuse poor practice just because they employ people.
Maybe they could look at themselves and actually improve their service?

*YANBU. People who voted to leave are twats.

I've run out of all diplomacy/reason with the lot of them.*

Quite.

This weekend, we're supposed to be going for a big family meal (DP's family, that is, my family is down to just my brother now). That includes Brexit-voting, Labour supporting MIL (who thinks the solution to the Irish border issue is for RoI to go back to being part of the UK), Tory & Brexit-voting SIL who can't see the connection between her vote and the lack of resources in their sons' school, her racist, pig-ignorant T&B voting millionaire tax-dodging husband (they also fail to see any connection between his tax-dodging and the lack of resources etc), and racist BIL who thinks it's because of foreigners that he's never had a decent job.

I can't decide whether to go, drink myself reckless and let rip at the fucking lot of them or stay home with a case of diplomatic flu. It's in a pub, so the idea of getting pissed and storming off in a drunken flounce is quite amusing, as is the prospect of baiting SIL's thick husband, who's so dim he thinks he can win an argument with me. He can't, of course, he lacks the vocabulary and critical thinking, but he gets so incensed he resorts to personal insults, at which point I gather up my dignity and let him be the bad guy.

By this point, Tory-Brexit SIL is usually in tears. Sadly, they are not tears of remorse for her moronic voting options.

What a horrible thread.
I get losing your job can make you angry and bitter but it's a sad fact of modern times that no job is forever. If you were concerned after the first round of redundancies you could have started the job search then. Instead, you sit, wait and are nasty to anyone with a different opinion.

To me the biggest issue with Brexit is the hate and extremist views it's brought out. Before you type another word calling people thick, stupid or racist look at your own behaviour.
You can be passionate about a cause without insults.

For me tragedy about Brexit is that most people voted for it thinking that they could get a bigger proportion of money directed to the things they care about when the result will be the same proportion of a significantly smaller pie directed to the things they care about. Affluent Brexit voting southern areas will be fine, no better off than before, but fine. Brexit voting midlands and Northern areas will be up against it now. The Brexiters in those areas have voted for greater inequality and to fall even further behind nationally and globally.

You can be passionate about a cause without insults.

You know, I think this attitude is part of the problem. The PPE/Eton debating society boys are all trained under the principle of "It doesn't matter what the topic is, you should be able to debate either side equally well" and we've ended up in a situation where to care, to feel emotional about a political situation that completely fucks you or your country over is somehow seen as weakness or a failing. People with skin in the game become a joke.

Well you know what, I am angry, and I am not going to hide that to make someone who has hugely damaged my country and is unrepentant about that feel ok about themselves.

@Blibbyblobby The problem is very few people can focus a debate V hate speech.
Hate speech is dangerous, more dangerous than brexit.

You are angry, that's ok
To blanket discriminate against someone with a different political view to you is not ok

@AmIAWeed

Actually, most people I know in real life who voted Leave ARE racist. I shall list some of the things I've heard over the years.

Romanians just come here to steal and just throw their rubbish and shit (real human shit) on the street. (This was seen on TV apparently)
Polish people all claim benefits for children they don't even have. (Also on TV)
It's the EU that have allowed us to be overrun with terrorists (Muslims).
Germans think they're better than anyone else and just con you out of money, they're worse than Jews.
Romanians stink, they don't wash.
The Spanish are alright, as long as they stay in Spain. (Laughter all round the room after that gem)

I follow Leave EU on Facebook, they really hate Muslims over there and Eastern Europeans, similar veiws to those above regularly expressed and getting hundreds of likes.

Anyway, AmIAWeed how would you describe the people who say the above and do you think I should respect their views? And before you say it, I know it's not all Leave voters, I do know some non racist Leave voters. Even the non racist ones though, their vote has cost my colleagues (and others I know) their jobs and may cost me my job. They knew this when they voted, they knew Brexit would cost people their jobs (worse, risk the peace in NI) and voted for it anyway.

The problem is very few people can focus a debate V hate speech.

Oh ffs. Poor ickle Leavers eh? Happy to vote for something they barely understood based on lies and insinuations, happy to stand alongside the racists, happy to blame the rest of the world for not delivering the impossible fantasy they were suckered into, happy to flush the country down the drain rather than admit they fucked up, but not at all happy to hear some nasty words. Cos that's the important issue right now, protecting the people who fucked up from any emotional unpleasantness of what they've done.

Anyone who voted Leave for what they thought at the time were good reasons and now recognises their mistake gets nothing but support and sympathy from me. But the people who even now, as the country slides down the league tables and we debate just how far our government will go in opening up the NHS to US medi-business, even now won't admit they fucked up and double down on their mistake with "of course we all voted for hard Brexit" and "just get it done", still want their shit decision validated? Fuck them. This country can't come together till the people who broke it stop shitting on the ruins.

@AmIAWeed, I fully agree with hate speech.
Could you have a word with my leave voters PIL? The ones that go on about how immigration is destroying the country when half of their grand children are dual nationals?
Because so far, all the leavers i have spoken to are like that. Quite aggressive in their ideas, no issue insulting and making peopLe feel uncomfortable (not even their own family members). It’s as if they had lost and were still resentful about it rather than won

And do you REALLY believe that things are as simple as looking for another job at the time of the first redundancies??
Ever heard of complainers freezing hiring of employees because of the Brexit uncertainty? About the fact that you can just be dismissed in the first two years if employement with nothing whereas the OP might, at least, have a little something by staying put?
My DH company is doing redundancies atm. About 1/3 of employees (they are moving from 3 shifts to 2 shifts). That’s 200~300 people in an area where there isn’t a lot of job going (and esp not in the area that company is - aka manufacturing). No order coming in so future looks bleak. If DH is made redundant, he (we?) will have to move at least a couple of hours away because he will not find a job where we are.

But yay, it’s the OP’s fault, probably DH too, and no job is secure blablabla. Nothing to do with Brexit and the shit it has the country in.

Yanbu. I think we should have a confirmatory referendum. I know a few who'd vote differently now.

As an aside, I’ve also heard people saying they voted to leave the EU to put pressure in the EU and get what they wanted but never voted for more racism or more hardship (on those who had already been hit very hard by austerity measures).

My answer to that is that, when you vote, you vite for everything. You dint chose to vote only for a part of the program. When people voted leave, they voted for years of hardship (to go back to my PIL, apparently, it’s an acceptable compromise....). When people voted conservative afterwards, they still Voted for that again (and this time, it was clear how hard ‘making Brexit happen’ was. No more reason to say ‘I dind’t know/realise’) And for more austerity too... And more racism/harsh Immigration policies etc
You just cannot say you wanted x but actually were against y so you can’t be associated with the ‘bad people’ who are racist for example. Because you voted for people who actively support those ideas. And therefire you are supporting those ideas yourself.

@KenDodd all the examples you have given are hate speech, you know that. That's exactly why you have used them.

I said "To me the biggest issue with Brexit is the hate and extremist views it's brought out. "
That isn't aimed at remainers or leavers - it's aimed at those who think they can discriminate against people due to their political belief, this thread and even your initial opening post was about getting people to agree with you "and blame the people who did vote for it?"

However, you've also just said you follow a Leave EU page on Facebook. So you are reading one set of extremists views, that are making you more angry and thus making it a remain V leave issue when in reality there is so much grey in-between.

Throughout times politics have worked better for some people than others, there will always be those who do well and those who do not. Right now, you are one of those who is not doing well. That sucks, its rubbish and I know it can be scary losing a job. I hope in years to come you can look back and see there is so much more to this than racism though.
Its about an unfair system
Its about people being fed up and voting for a change
Its about people/corporations not paying taxes, fair wages
Its a feeling of people having no power or control over their lives

It is without a doubt a recipe for disaster, Brexit was the thing people were given to vote on.

When we look back on WW2 and the causes, there were multiple, everyone knows its complex.
The treaty of Versaille for example - it was harsh, the German people suffered and so when a political person came along, with extremist views and gave them multiple people to blame and a way out they took it.
The vast majority of Germans however we're not racist.
Please understand this is similar - people are feeling desperate and instead of coming together and trying to support each other we're shouting loudly finding someone to blame

Or are you unable to grasp that elections, referendums can be retaken because of democracy?

How soon after any election/referendum do you think another election/referendum should take place? The next day? The next week? Next month?

How many should be allowed, in your version of democracy? Another one? 10? 50? 100?

Is there any point that the retakes stop, in your view?

Blibbyblobby
Oh ffs. Poor ickle Leavers eh? Happy to vote for something they barely understood

What is it, exactly, that you assume I didn't understand?