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So, my job is under threat (again) because of Brexit.

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KenDodd · 02/12/2019 16:12

Some jobs were cut last year as a direct result of Brexit, I survived the cut. Now it looks like the whole company might collapse (hopefully not) all because of Brexit, I didn't vote for any of this.

Aibu to be angry and blame the people who did vote for it?

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leghairdontcare · 02/12/2019 18:17

Brexit hasn't happened yet. Give me strength.

It's a process that has been happening for the past 3 years and will likely continue to affect the economy for the next 10 while we have to negotiate trade deal after trade deal. There is no magical point in time ( Jan 31st Hmm) at which brexit will happen and everything will be fine.

Blibbyblobby · 02/12/2019 18:18

Partly correct there. The process of leaving the EU whilst trying to remain at the same time, the process of trying to avoid implementing the result of the referendum, the process of trying to usurp every possible step forward to implement the referendum result, has directly caused those uncertainties.

Almost right. The process of trying to find a way of leaving the EU without plunging the UK into years of lost growth, falling living standards and the associated civil unrest has caused these uncertainties.

Yet despite what the “rip off the plaster” simplistics assert, where we are now is STILL better than a hard Brexit.

It must take an inordinate amount of naive Brexit cheerleading to miss that.

Devereux1 · 02/12/2019 18:25

May tried to Brexit because that was the 'will of the people' and remain

Exactly, glad you admit she did. And what a crazy, contradictory mess that Remain-obsessed endeavour has got us into.

BoneyBackJefferson · 02/12/2019 18:29

Devereux1

And what a crazy, contradictory mess that Remain-obsessed endeavour has got us into.

Yes, how dare someone try and get a result that would please the majority of voters.

mindproject · 02/12/2019 18:35

My work has been very negatively impacted by Brexit and other factors. We are down to a very small number of people now as the work has been dwindling and numbers have been cut. We are all just hanging in there by the skin off our teeth. I don't know how easy it will be for me to get another job now at my age, but I'm willing to do anything, even for minimum wage, as I don't earn much more than that now.

I keep thinking I need to start my own business, but I can't think of a business that won't be hit by Brexit. Maybe food, fuel and energy will be fine, but anything else is anybody's guess.

I am still hopeful that Brexit will be cancelled.

PhilSwagielka · 02/12/2019 18:40

It's alright, it's just Project Fear, nothing to worry about. I mean, that's what I keep getting told... Hmm

Devereux1 · 02/12/2019 18:43

BoneyBackJefferson

Yes, how dare someone try and get a result that would please the majority of voters.

Yes, how dare they try and get a result that would please some people who would ensure some MPs keep their jobs, but not the 17.4 million who won the referendum.

Yes, how dare they try to cowardly fluff the whole issue by trying to falsely please all the people all the time and ending up with something which couldn't please all the people in 3 years.

BoneyBackJefferson · 02/12/2019 18:50

Devereux1

17.4 million Leave
16.2 million remain
31 ish million didn't vote (18 million not registered, 12,9 million didn't vote)

not exactly the "will of the people" is it?

even if you take out the non registered voters, its still not an overwhelming majority.

The referendum was fucked up in many ways, (and that is not taking in to account the lies from both sides.)

godparticle · 02/12/2019 18:51

Sure, be angry and blame Leavers, if it makes you feel better. You don’t need anyone’s permission for that. You never know: constantly insulting them may in fact change their minds, especially combined with a story so lacking in details that it’s bound to tug the heartstrings.

SusieOwl4 · 02/12/2019 18:52

Of course Brexit is affecting business even though it has not happened . What a stupid comment.

currency uncertainty
lack of investment because of uncertainty
having to invest company money to prepare for Brexit ( extra paperwork for imports etc ) rather than employing people .
large contracts for building in London on hold because of Brexit .

That is literally just the tip of the iceberg . There is the fear of continuing supply and vast investments in stock in case everything comes to a halt .

I know of one company who has this week laid off three highly paid staff because the work has either dried up or is on hold . Its extremely difficult at the moment . Big mistake Labour with its supposed "neutral" stance - that's the last thing anyone needs .

Blibbyblobby · 02/12/2019 18:54

Yes, how dare they try to cowardly fluff the whole issue by trying to falsely please all the people all the time and ending up with something which couldn't please all the people in 3 years.

Unfortunately because the Leave campaign lied about what could realistically be achieved, it isn't possible to please the 17.4. Either they get their Brexit, throw their street parties and are happy briefly but miserable for years theteafter as we grind through the economic fallout, or they don't get their Brexit and live relatively ok lives but feel betrayed.

So given the 17.4 are going to be miserable whatever, best take the path that does the least damage.

LapsedPacifist · 02/12/2019 18:55

With reference to the "million civil servants dealing with this shit", DS undertook a graduate internship at the Foreign Office last year. His placement was supposed to last 6 weeks but was extended to 7 MONTHS. He could have stayed longer but found a permanent job in a different department. All the other interns who wished to stay on were offered extensions too. The office next door to his was being run by 4 interns and just 2 permanent members of staff. Why? Because so many (experienced, highly skilled) Whitehall civil servants have been seconded away from their jobs to deal with the Brexit clusterfuck.

Devereux1 · 02/12/2019 18:56

*BoneyBackJefferson

17.4 million Leave
16.2 million remain
31 ish million didn't vote (18 million not registered, 12,9 million didn't vote)

not exactly the "will of the people" is it?

Do you not understand how elections, referendums and democracies work? What do you think you were taking part in when you chose to vote?

What conditions of implementation of the result did you sign up for then, irrespective of who would win?

even if you take out the non registered voters, its still not an overwhelming majority.

100% irrelevant. Majority percentages aren't what win council elections, general elections or referendum. It's who got the most votes.

Did you complain about the workings of this democratic vote during the referendum, or during any council or general elections throughout your life, or only after you realised you lost? Hmm

SusieOwl4 · 02/12/2019 18:57

for someone saying get out and vote and stop it - then there is only one vote ? LIb Dem ?

There is no clarity with labour at all ? A leader who wont lead ? and waffles about a deal that the EU may even refuse to discuss ?

So what will voting lib dem achieve ? A hung parliament ? that's not going to help things either way is it?

godparticle · 02/12/2019 18:57

You can count the people who are eligible to vote and don’t, but that doesn’t mean they count – at least for the purposes of a referendum. 1.2 million majority is a clear win in anybody’s book. Anybody who knows how to count, that is.

Devereux1 · 02/12/2019 18:58

Unfortunately because the Leave campaign lied about what could realistically be achieved, it isn't possible to please the 17.4.

What are you referring to exactly?

LellyMcKelly · 02/12/2019 18:59

Same in my industry. Regardless of what happens they’ve used the excuse of Brexit for more cuts. We’ve lost 10% of our workforce in the last 3 years and are gearing up for another round of redundancies after Christmas. My workload is now at the point where there is no slack in the system. I physically can’t do another thing.

BoneyBackJefferson · 02/12/2019 19:02

Devereux1

Do you not understand how elections, referendums and democracies work? What do you think you were taking part in when you chose to vote?

Do you?

Or are you unable to grasp that elections, referendums can be retaken because of democracy?

100% irrelevant.

Not if you are spouting "will of the people" especially when it is clear that it is not the will of the entire people just those that voted.

Did you complain about the workings of this democratic vote during the referendum, or during any council or general elections throughout your life, or only after you realised you lost? hmm

I've been complaining (and campaigning) about it for the last 20 years, what is your point?

Or are you just trying to get in a low blow?

FYI, I voted leave so I "won".

Tellmetruth4 · 02/12/2019 19:02

YANBU and the shit has still yet to hit the fan. My organisation has put in a hiring freeze and is not replacing anyone who leaves. The number of applications for vacancies was becoming ridiculous and many of the contractors were trying to become permanent for security.

SusieOwl4 · 02/12/2019 19:05

To those that said vote labour to stop Brexit - so we have another vote where the posts on here show those who voted wont change their minds - the leader of the party wont show guidance - the unions who pay for labour desperately want us to stay in as do a lot of the MPs but they still voted to revoke article 50 ? Oh and the country will be bankrupt by over spending and nationalisation ?

We are doomed - all doomed

Hingeandbracket · 02/12/2019 19:07

and many of the contractors were trying to become permanent for security.
It's not for security it is because this government's changes to IR35 in April have wiped out all the contracts - almost every large firm has said they won't deal with contractors any longer. Almost none of us (real contractors) want to take a permanent job but we are being forced.

TimeforanotherChange · 02/12/2019 19:08

Whilst feeling sorry for anyone whose job is insecure this is the reality of politics. I'm a miner's daughter and life in our pit village was fucking dreadful when my dad and all his mates lost their livelihoods in the Thatcher years. Nobody in London gave a shit about us then. People now crying about Brexit bemuse me as to why they think anything is different about this. People vote for who and what they want in elections and if it doesn't go your way well tough luck.

I didn't vote Leave but I shrugged my shoulders and will deal with whatever we are left with. The idea that Leavers should be wringing their hands over other people 's lost EU dependent jobs is bizarre.

SonEtLumiere · 02/12/2019 19:20

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Theworldisfullofgs · 02/12/2019 19:32

TimeforanotherChange your lack of insight astounds me.

Theworldisfullofgs · 02/12/2019 19:35

Btw as both my dh and dsis work with govt departments I can assure you there is lots of extra staff being taken on, think 1000s. Existing staff are just being asked to work harder for no extra pay as well.