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So, my job is under threat (again) because of Brexit.

197 replies

KenDodd · 02/12/2019 16:12

Some jobs were cut last year as a direct result of Brexit, I survived the cut. Now it looks like the whole company might collapse (hopefully not) all because of Brexit, I didn't vote for any of this.

Aibu to be angry and blame the people who did vote for it?

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NegroniOnIce · 02/12/2019 17:17

Most people who voted to leave didn't expect the uncertainty that had dragged on and on over this

In that case I'm afraid they are not clever enough to vote on anything more taxing than whether Marmite is better than Bovril.

Dissimilitude · 02/12/2019 17:18

@KenDodd

I don't dispute that many will be negatively affected, nor that on balance the economic effects are, overall, negative. But it's not uniformly negative. If you are a British producer of goods or services, and you sell globally, you're genuinely helped by the fall in the pound.

Then again, the pound could have been devalued by some mechanism other than Brexit, with the same benefits and none of the drawbacks!

Bumfuzzled · 02/12/2019 17:20

Im fuming for you. My business has been severely affected by the impact of Brexit. In a nut shell (for all those doubting the connection to Brexit), several big American suppliers have pulled contracts with independent companies in the UK due to “the financial uncertainties”. These are businesses we have traded with successfully for nearly 15 years prior. The press in America are basically calling us all an economic dead duck. The companies we dealt with are only trading now with 4 very big players.

And so the rich get richer...

What bemuses me is that so many people who voted for Brexit and therefore the economic chaos it was predicted to cause are the first ones to claim Brexit has nothing to do with the many now failing companies. I thought you’d be rubbing your hands with glee as surely that is what you voted for.

Believe me, for many small businesses these past few years has been like a death by a thousand cuts.

Bitter moi? Hell yes.

Devereux1 · 02/12/2019 17:23

Bumfuzzled
Im fuming for you. My business has been severely affected by the impact of Brexit. In a nut shell (for all those doubting the connection to Brexit), several big American suppliers have pulled contracts with independent companies in the UK due to “the financial uncertainties”.

Confused So because of the uncertainties, not because of Brexit which hasn't yet happened?

SonEtLumiere · 02/12/2019 17:24

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ClaudiaWankleman · 02/12/2019 17:25

So because of the uncertainties, not because of Brexit which hasn't yet happened?

The process of leaving the EU is directly causing those uncertainties. It must take an inordinate amount of brain power to be so obtuse.

Devereux1 · 02/12/2019 17:29

The process of leaving the EU is directly causing those uncertainties. It must take an inordinate amount of brain power to be so obtuse.

Partly correct there. The process of leaving the EU whilst trying to remain at the same time, the process of trying to avoid implementing the result of the referendum, the process of trying to usurp every possible step forward to implement the referendum result, has directly caused those uncertainties.

It was take an inordinate amount of anti-democratic, remain arrogance to miss all of that.

Karenisbaren · 02/12/2019 17:32

I would tell your mother that you cannot afford to have her this year!

ClaudiaWankleman · 02/12/2019 17:34

Well all you have done there is repeat what I said but added in some mumbo jumbo about Remainers.

Not partially correct, correct. It’s not an opinion to be debated, it’s fact, proven by statistics and recognised by all reasonable people on all sides of the argument.

SonEtLumiere · 02/12/2019 17:37

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Hazardexhausted · 02/12/2019 17:37

Can people stop being so intentionally dense? brexit hasn't happened yet blah blah article 50 was triggered that announced to the world that we intend to go oh and btw WE HAVE NO PLAN.

But what about Boris's deal? I hear you intentionally cry knowing full well it's merely a WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT not an actual fucking plan. Its a deal where we MIGHT decide to go all American or we MIGHT decide to a Canada plus agreement with the EU. Its shit. Its crap. Stop lying that it's anything but that.

Oh and it was always going to be absolute shit after some fecking cesspits decided a Norway plus agreement wasn't proper brexit. As if brexit is some shitty shepards pie and not just a wanky made up word. ITS A MADE UP WORD. THERE IS NO PROPER BREXIT. Unless its an acronym:

B - bastards
R - ruining
E - everything
X - xcept the rich
I - ill people will die
T - time to fooking cry.

As for if we just got on with it then it would be fine . The slow dissent is giving us all time to get a glimpse of the future. A future where it's more than the OP losing their job, a future where it's not just me sourcing my partner's medication from abroad which we are currently having to do because of this Tory party brexit.

Is that the fecking, fooking and foolish future you want? Having had a taste of it can I just point out the obvious - it's shit.

YANBU OP I will fucking rage with you, for you and at anyone ❤

Deathgrip · 02/12/2019 17:40

The process of leaving the EU whilst trying to remain at the same time, the process of trying to avoid implementing the result of the referendum, the process of trying to usurp every possible step forward to implement the referendum result, has directly caused those uncertainties.

Well that would be one take. It would also be massively incorrect.

The process has unfolded as it has because the government called a referendum for something unprecedented that they had no idea how to action. The logistical issues were all predicted before the referendum but dismissed as “project fear”.

We were never going to be able to leave quickly, and the deals were blocked because they would have severely affected the economy and society. Or are you another of those leavers who think we should have just left and figure it out later?

DarlingNikita · 02/12/2019 17:41

YANBU. People who voted to leave are twats.

I've run out of all diplomacy/reason with the lot of them.

Devereux1 · 02/12/2019 17:41

Not partially correct, correct. It’s not an opinion to be debated, it’s fact, proven by statistics and recognised by all reasonable people on all sides of the argument.

The problems are caused by the uncertainty, not by Brexit. The process of leaving has been a nightmare because May as a remainer tried to Brexit and remain at the same time, to put it very simply for you.

KeithPartridge · 02/12/2019 17:41

All people can do now is vote to stop the Tories. If they're not stopped we're ALL screwed.

Deathgrip · 02/12/2019 17:43

What are you even talking about?

Any deal with the EU would mean still having to comply with various EU restrictions but having no say.

Leaving without a deal would be catastrophic.

You’re playing semantics

notyetsleepingthrough · 02/12/2019 17:43

Yes. You are aloud to be bitter. And furious. Am too. We are forced to leave the country (no we are not horrible immigrants stealing , simultaneously, the jobs of hardworking Brits and scrounging on the benefit system by being here not working) as the research money has just dried up since the referendum. So, I hear you.

ClaudiaWankleman · 02/12/2019 17:50

The problems are caused by the uncertainty, not by Brexit. The process of leaving has been a nightmare because May as a remainer tried to Brexit and remain at the same time, to put it very simply for you

You don’t have to put it simply for me. Even a very orderly Brexit would have caused uncertainty. The markets react in minutes, not in two year transition periods. There would have always been losers in any Brexit scenario and a two year period would have caused them to scale back in order to mitigate effects.

Of course we had to have a two year period, because the effects of dropping out would also be huge.

No more engagement with Devereux, the equivalent of a doll with a pull string in the back that makes them speak the same line over and over.

DarlingNikita · 02/12/2019 17:51

May as a remainer tried to Brexit and remain at the same time, to put it very simply for you.

May tried to Brexit because that was the 'will of the people' and remain because she knew, in her quite well-hidden sensible core, that any kind of Brexit is economically bad.

Torchlightt · 02/12/2019 17:55

If you cancel your mum's invitation for Christmas, will she be on the street, or just at home alone? If the latter, then cancel. So angry with the older generation - in their 80s many of them - who gleefully voted against the expressed wishes and interests of their children and grandchildren, who are the ones who will have to live in the shithole of a country the older generation is leaving behind.

Wildorchidz · 02/12/2019 17:56

Brexit hasn’t actually happened yet so I am bemused as to how your employer knows the exact effects of it happening.
Sounds to me like the company is doing badly due to poor management but it’s easier to blame Brexit.

Sounds to me as if you are incredibly naive. The Bank of England has a Brexit cost calculator which is now exceeding £79 billion. The cost of Brexit to the UK economy since the vote is £727 per second.
Can you really not understand how that may effect companies in the UK??

pinkcardi · 02/12/2019 18:01

@CanIHaveADrink my father last night: extolling the greatness of Japan's 99% Japanese statistics vs our 'full of immigrants' policy.

My mum, his wife, is an EU national. Living in the UK. He can't see the irony of his opinions and his vote.

And don't get me started on how cross he was about the paperwork she'd had to fill in because Brexit. All the fault of the Tories, nothing to do with Brexit.

Aggghhh

And....my MIL voted for Brexit as 'I was undecided and thought it would be interesting' Her face was a picture when I told her we might need to leave the UK because of it

CanIHaveADrink · 02/12/2019 18:03

I know @pinkcardi. Crazy isnt it?

Didiusfalco · 02/12/2019 18:04

My in-laws voted leave. Fil is convinced it’s going to be better in the long term. Of course that’s a risk he can take with his mortgage paid off and his final salary pension scheme, while people like us who have many years left to work are actually going to bear the brunt of it if it’s a gamble that doesn’t pay off. I find it infuriating.

KeithPartridge · 02/12/2019 18:04

There's no point rehashing it....we've been over and over the referendum for years. There's only one way to stop it - we have to get out and vote next week, it's all we can do. Life only moves in one direction and that's forwards so we have to vote tactically to stop the Tories. And anyone thinking of voting Tory WTAF are you smoking?