To think that it's impossible to vote for Jeremy Corbyn after last night's interview?

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To be upfront : I would never vote for Labour or Corbyn anyway, for various reasons.. But that was not a good interview and had I been considering it I would be very concerned now.

I'm having this discussion on another thread, but do people realise if Corbyn gets in we're being threatened with being kicked out of the intelligence 5 eyes community? Seriously google it.
Bloody terrifying.

No one seems to care about security or defence though. The implications of losing out on VAST amounts of international intelligence gathered over many years, our place in NATO would come into question.
What about our airspace then? What would we do if the Russains upped their submarine tactics?
I dread to think. I dont dislike socialism, but I am scared of the massive holes in defence if Corbyn got in.

Think of your political party like your favourite football team. Would you stop supporting them because their manager changed? No. Exactly the same thing.

What an utterly ridiculous comparison Swisskit no one should follow a party blindly history tells us that

Or was it a joke ?

A football manager isn’t going to be part of any peace/business negotiations with international leaders or have to make decisions of where investment is made and cut that impacts people’s everyday lives

People want to have faith in the leader of the party that they vote for that they shall work for the countries best interests and are capable and intelligent enough to be able to manage the intense pressure of having to deal with so many different issues that a PM has to deal with on a daily basis

On the issue of Brexit I voted Remain I have never supported a second referendum as I had always felt the result would be the same. I believe the referendum should never have happened and that all MP’s who voted in support of the referendum without any detailed debate have let the public down and were unprofessional to say the least
This is my view too. Although I will be voting Labour, who are likely to win a seat here, unseating our tory mp. Our Labour candidate campaigned on the basis that people were voting for her, not JC, as many Labour candidates are having to do, Jess Phillip's for example. My worry, and that of many centre left posters is that not enough people will vote for them. They're not closet Tories just because they don't have a blind adherence to Corbyn and the Momentum project. Otherwise most of the parliamentary party are Tories.

People want to have faith in the leader of the party that they vote for that they shall work for the countries best interests and are capable and intelligent enough to be able to manage the intense pressure of having to deal with so many different issues that a PM has to deal with on a daily basis

How exactly is Boris Johnson equipped to do that?

noodlenose this is what I don't understand about former Labour supporters who say they won't for 'for Corbyn' - as if there was no other influence within the whole of the Labour party, despite the fact that they acknowledge Corbyn has had to change tack due to that very influence.

I'm having this discussion on another thread, but do people realise if Corbyn gets in we're being threatened with being kicked out of the intelligence 5 eyes community? Seriously google it.

Can you explain what is terrifying about it?

I have never said Boris Johnson was the man up to the job

The response was a response to a comment about football managers it was about party leaders

Labour have not only lost many of the Brexit voters that are in safe labour seats but also many voters who are more to the centre - many on the left consider us as Red Tories/Tory lites whatever and have said our votes are not needed well they are as well as those floating voters

Ex head of MI6 (can’t remember his name) reportedly said last week in an interview that Corbyn, Seumas Milne and Andrew Murray (advisors/political aide) would not pass checks to view highly sensitive classified information due to their involvement with certain political groups but if JC became PM he would bypass the security checks and said he was a danger to our security

Or something along those lines

That is what is probably be referred to

many on the left consider us as Red Tories/Tory lites whatever and have said our votes are not needed

'They' (whoever 'they' are) said your votes were not needed? Don't be ridiculous

yes they have not only my experience of local politics now

Have you been to any local party meetings (mine had been taken over by Momentum)

Are you really not aware of the dislike of those that supported Blair/Brown or more to the centre are on the left of the party ?

Apparently we are not true Labour supporters unless you support Corbyn too. Blindly following a party is not good for any society history tells us that

The irony of Momentum not wanting Red Tories is that it is likely the only Scottish seat Labour will hold onto is thanks to the Red Tories of Morningside and Merchiston voting Labour to keep the SNP out.

Think of your political party like your favourite football team. Would you stop supporting them because their manager changed? No. Exactly the same thing. You don't know much about football. Have you heard about Arsenal and their ex manager. Empty seats. Ironically Corbyn is an Arsenal supporter. I'll bet a lot of Labour MPs wish they could sack Corbyn with immediate effect.

We're still Arsenal though...even though the manager has changed.

I don't think we should think of parties like football teams. It's a terrible analogy. We should be looking at the direction we want the country to go in not blindly following tribal loyalties.

I am staggered that so many people want more of the same from the Conservatives and they trust the lying Boris to do anything for the country.

I don't like Corbyn, but yeah, of course, I'll do what needs to be done to get the Conservatives out.

But what you don't seem to get is ideology. Your beliefs are the same, year in, year out, surely? Therefore, you vote for the party that shares that ideology (or as close to it as it can be). And that's why my football analogy DOES work. You stick to your ideals regardless of who is temporarily in charge. A political party is organic, like a football team.

I could never, ever vote Conservative because I'm not a selfish, uncaring bigot.

I could never, ever vote Conservative because I'm not a selfish, uncaring bigot.

The irony of making that bigoted statement about a party supported by 13.6 million people at the last election!

I could never, ever vote Conservative because I'm not a selfish, uncaring bigot.

This is by definition a statement of bigotry, just so you know.

What a bigot would do at this point is probably scoff, refuse to accept the fact, and go on as they were before.

ive voted labour, libdem, and green before.

still watching the tactical sites.

genuinely could never really understand the mentality of those who'll vote for anything if its wearing the right coloured rosette and cant understand them at all now that party politics is still catching up with the seismic changes of the brexit vote.

@Swisskit
But what you don't seem to get is ideology. Your beliefs are the same, year in, year out, surely?

Mostly, yes. My values are fundamental to me.

Therefore, you vote for the party that shares that ideology (or as close to it as it can be).

Mostly yes. As far as I can know that an organisation comprised of people I've never met can share my values.

You stick to your ideals regardless of who is temporarily in charge.

Absolutely not. The Leader not only leads the entire party but will become my Prime Minister. Prime Minister of a government that affects my daily life, makes laws - wants to tell me what I can say, makes policies that affect where it is safe for me to go, taxes me, spends my money etc. I stick to my ideals, it would be illogical and doing myself a disservice as a intelligent human being to stick with one party no matter who is leading them. Their leadership can mutate the ideology throughout the party, into government and every single thing they do to me.

I could never, ever vote Conservative because I'm not a selfish, uncaring bigot.

Awful, just awful.

It's a ridiculous analogy, comparing a political party to a football team, though I'm not surprised it's how some voters see it. But the worst that can happen supporting Arsenal is that they won't win a title in a season. (Okay my DH supports Aston Villa and their fortunes fluctuate far more. 😀)

But a football team doesn't have to worry about climate change, Brexit or public spending. It really has a lot to do with who is temporarily in charge, unlike a football team manager.

So I spend a lot of time thinking about who I'm going to vote for every election. I've mostly voted Lib Dem in the past but I'm voting tactically for Labour this time, as the only party that can keep the Tories out in my constituency.

this is what I don't understand about former Labour supporters who say they won't for 'for Corbyn' - as if there was no other influence within the whole of the Labour party, despite the fact that they acknowledge Corbyn has had to change tack due to that very influence

But it isn't just Corbyn. It's McConnell who is also a Marxist and Momentum. I first voted Labour in 1979 and every election up to 2015. I'm not voting Labour whilst it's in the grip of the extremist left/Marxists.