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AIBU to want Nicola Sturgeon for UK PM?

223 replies

Nearly47 · 22/11/2019 19:50

Very impressed with her clear headed answers. Envy Scottish people for having someone so good fighting in their corner.

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RJnomore1 · 23/11/2019 11:21

She had Alex salmond st her home to discuss the harassment charges (before we all knew how serious the allegations were) and didn’t report it and I believe she had five unrecorded conversations with him.

That on its own shows a serious lapse of judgement and renders her unfit for office.

Butterisbest · 23/11/2019 11:23

@Iggi999
Ok, thanks for that information

reginafelangee · 23/11/2019 11:35

@Nearly47 She does represent the majority ....

No she doesn't.

She represents 36.9% of voters (2017 General Election). Polls suggest this may rise to 40% at this election.

The majority vote for other parties. Unionist parties.

Nearly47 · 23/11/2019 11:35

Who the Scottish lefties disapproving of the SNP are voting for?

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30not13 · 23/11/2019 11:37

*people in Scotland
the Scottish

HTH

reginafelangee · 23/11/2019 11:40

@Nearly47 Who the Scottish lefties disapproving of the SNP are voting for?

That would be those on the left who don't support Nicola's anti-progressive austerity measures.

Nearly47 · 23/11/2019 11:59

I am obviously out of my depth here because I thought the SNP was against austerityConfused... Going away to google SNP manifesto and historyBlush

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MrsJasonIsbell · 23/11/2019 12:05

She's not a nationalist in the sense her detractors imply and she's not got a hidden agenda, she and the SNP are entirely open.

The SNP are a party who represent a huge amount of Scotland's population by offering us real hope of a fairer, more equal society. And, if you watched last night, you'd have heard she feels that English regions should have opportunities to devolve power from westminster.

I voted labour, campaigned and was a member for many years. I realised it wouldn't matter if every constituency voted labour, we'd still end up with a Tory gov if that's what the majority of the rest of the UK voted for. Scotland's majority never votes Tory!

Many disagree and that's because people have a right to idealogically disagree and this is the basis of a democratic political system. Often, not always, those seeking to protect the union do so because of religious bigotry which is a scar on the face of Scotland. Personal insults based on appearance or other shallow observations are pathetic and, to NS, it's pointless as she has the courage of her convictions and the courage to stand up for Scotland and protect our right to self determination. She knows she is loved and respected by the majority of the population and you only have to see her campaigning with people to see how natural she is - no need for bodyguards and mysterious campaigning in bunkers away from the public like both Corbyn and Johnson on their recent visits up here.

All of my friends, very well educated, well read and contributing citizens, both socially and through taxes, agree.

We will become independent in the near future and then we will have pluralist politics and, if folk want a Tory party, they're welcome to have one! Scotland will be a beacon of hope for the rest of the UK who don't want to be ruled by right wing oligarchs protecting their own interests and wealth.

StatisticallyChallenged · 23/11/2019 12:10

I think loved by the majority of the population is seriously stretching it

beforeyougo · 23/11/2019 12:18

Sturgeon giving everyone in Scotland free university education, prescriptions and baby boxes has just added to their massive deficit. 👏👏👏

The whole of the UK are running on a massive deficit though ... Hmm England aren't even providing for themselves so why they suddenly think they are for Scotland is beyond me 🤦🏼‍♀️
It is strange how Scotland's revenue is always published excluding the North Sea oil - which was apparently running out before the Indy ref, and then new reserves were miraculously found after... 🤔

StatisticallyChallenged · 23/11/2019 12:24

Not looked at the most recent figures but certainly at the time of indyref we were in deficit with or without oil

MrsJasonIsbell · 23/11/2019 12:33

Fair enough Statisticallychallenged, the majority of the people I know in the capital city, working in a large organisation, being involved in my working class community, having kids in a large and excellent state school. Yeah, there are people who support other parties but the majority of them even grudgingly admire Sturgeon in my wife ranging experience.

MrsJasonIsbell · 23/11/2019 12:34

wide ranging!!

StatisticallyChallenged · 23/11/2019 12:37

I don't think there is any politician loved by the majority of the population, and generally if I mention Sturgeon that's far from the response.

Hirsutefirs · 23/11/2019 12:38

Making her PM might make her shut up about bloody Scottish independence.

StatisticallyChallenged · 23/11/2019 12:46

I don't think that's actually possible, she's like a stuck record

HopeOverFear · 23/11/2019 12:50

I think there is a lot of really narrow minded opinions getting fired about here and Scotland seem to be expected to run and absolute perfect Parliament or its proof that we can't cope ourselves. The point is while there may be areas that need improvement (which goes for every Parliament there has been or will be) we are governed by a significantly worse one who appear not to be held to the same standard. The UK is in an absolute mess but wE are complaining because the SNP hasn't brought back milk and honey!
About Nicola herself you can put any politician in the world in her role and people will say they are to focused on independence. Like her or not she has been first minister through the reign of the "strong and Stable" government of Cameron then may and now Boris! In Scotland the SNP have more MPs than conservatives, labour and Lib Dem's combined so they must be doing something right.
Independence is a huge debate and prob not on this topic but it is very frustrating to still be seeing this opinion that we are some slummed junkie nation who enjoy free prescriptions etc cause of the generosity of Westminster.
Yes the economy took a hit at Indy ref but not close to what brexit has done ( which Scotland did not vote for) there what well over 500 MPs in England and I don't see one of them campaigning to rid them of the financial burden that is Scotland. In fact they all strongly campaigned to keep us (including asking for the queens intervention to help save the union)
We are tiny nation with a wealth of exports for our size I find it really sad to see people still believe we should sit in line and wait for our pocket money.

ronatheseal · 23/11/2019 13:10

She is great. Ignore the cyberyoons. The character of people who use terms like ‘the krankie’ and ‘poison dwarf’ (a World War I ethnic slur used by Germans against Scottish soldiers) speaks for itself. About 80% of the newspapers up here are batshit crazy English nationalist rags that devote half their pages to demonising Sturgeon, and some Scots are weak enough to fall for it, but most of us aren’t and some people who are change their view when they see her directly not through media propaganda. Glad she’s there to speak for Scotland.

Nearly47 · 23/11/2019 13:13

I can see it is frustrating to be forced to follow Westminster in such important issues... Ironically I believe London also voted against the Tories and Brexit and still here we are...
I do not understand how people can vote for Boris Johnson.

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beforeyougo · 23/11/2019 13:20

Not looked at the most recent figures but certainly at the time of indyref we were in deficit with or without oil

Regardless, we as a 'better together' nation will also always be running on a deficit? Or does it only matter about the deficit when we are making Scotland out to be incapable and scrounging?

Going back to the thread, Nicola Sturgeon hasn't claimed any expenses - I don't imagine the same can be said for other leaders.

StatisticallyChallenged · 23/11/2019 13:40

I was only pointing out that the deficits doesn't vanish - there were many attempts to claim this last time and it wasn't true.

RJnomore1 · 23/11/2019 13:41

Completely disingenuous to miss the point that it’s the SNPclaiming how much financial better off Scotland would be when they’ve had tax raising and budget setting powers for years and are making a total mess of the finances. It’s not expecting them to be better than other governments it’s pointing out they keep claiming Scotland would be a wonderful place when actually their new tax rates have reduced the income they have hugely from what it would have been if they had left the status wuo in place..,

Education is a shambles and they’re having to abandon flagship policies. We can’t recruit GPs. I work closely with senior NHS staff and it’s on its knees. I am not suggesting England is any better. Just that I’m sick of hearing how great it would be if they were in charge of everything while making an utter balls up of everything they are in charge of but passing the blame out to Westminster or down to local government.
We have a great policy context and fuck all to back it up resource wise.

The gap between rhetoric and reality is huge. Policies were designed to win referendum votes in 2014, abd the financially unsustainable wheels have been coming off ever since.

Between that and the alleged sexual offender who was the leader in chief for decades with a personality cult around him, and the inappropriate discussions with the current first minister I detailed above, I am as you may have gathered not a fan. I also genuinely don’t know many people who like sturgeon. Their MPs have largely been a joke too. Our SNP MP was voted out for a Tory at the first opportunity in 2017. In Scotland.

Iggi999 · 23/11/2019 13:46

An independent Scotland does not mean that the SNP would be in charge - for the first years I think they would be but after that they would be no more or less popular than any other party.

Winterisnigh · 23/11/2019 13:55

She's single issue, uncomplicated, so I think she'll find it easy to be clear minded

there's not much in there

RJnomore1 · 23/11/2019 14:01

Oh come on they are not campaigning for independence with a view to passing the reins to another party if it happens! 😂