to ask if you will be (considering) leaving the UK if Labour/Corbyn get into power?

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If so, where will you be going?

Tories support the NHS.

Yes, we've all seen how much they support the ill, poor and destitute.
We just had another food bank open in our town, they are taking over the empty shops on the high street.
So xenia you are either kidding yourself or not too intelligent.

I would be interested in this referendum that Labour are promising if the question was not just should we take the “brilliant” new deal or not
But the real question of accepting the deal JC has negotiated or stay in the EU and live through whatever penalties that the EU will throw at us

The EU will want to make sure no other country ever entertains the idea that they can ever leave.

The destruction of the NHS by the Tories over the last nine years is enough to make anyone seriously consider why would they vote them in again. The risk to the NHS of an American style system is scary.

For some it must be an easier decision than they thought.
It really boils down to if you want investment in the things that matter, and another referendum.

Or the alternative of higher earners and the rich becoming richer and the poor becoming poorer, more food banks, if there's any shops left.

or stay in the EU and live through whatever penalties that the EU will throw at us

This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.

Labours plans frighten me. Not yet personally, but also their borrowing plans. They are making a lot of presumptions and if the markets take fright this country could be in trouble (which they might, and some of the credit rating agencies are already signalling that a massive increase in borrowing could trigger down rating of our credit rating, making it much more expensive to borrow).

I also worry about their tax plans. Again, I worry about the impact on the economy widely- but I am worried about what their tax changes will mean for us as a family. I suspect we will be crucified, financially.

I would think about leaving but for various reasons this would be difficult for us. I am not a fan of the Tories at all and their handling of Brexit debacle (and even the fact we had the referendum) has been disasterous for this country.

I am a high(ish) earning professional, married to a farmer. We are comfortable, certainly, but not fabulously wealthy. In the past, my income has kept us afloat up when times in farming haven’t been good. The really high earners will find ways to minimise their tax in a way we can’t. There are various things we were thinking of doing (business wise on the farm, and to the house etc) but between Brexit and the tax changes we may face/increase minimum in wage/employers NI contributions (generally, feels like a bit of a cash grab) we just can’t commit to anything.

I also have my doubts that re-nationalising water, BT etc will be a good idea. Historically, the state does not always run these things more efficiently than private sector. And politicians and their ever changing policies/targets/undeliverable and unrealistic targets don’t bode well. You only have to look at the NHS- political policy makers of all hues promise the moon to the public, but seldom what they promise is deliverable within their timeframes or budget set. Yes, Tory cuts have hit the NHS hard, and they are not historically supportes/champions of the NHS, but they aren’t the only ones guilty of politically motivated meddling that does no good.

I really very worried about the prospect of a Labour government. But I’m equally pessimistic about the competence of a Tory one.

The markets have already 'taken flight'. Our credit rating has taken a massive dive under the coalition and the tories. Educational trusts are going bust. Another 5 years of tory rule and there will be no NHS. Many people already cannot will not be able to afford the basics of human existence. Kids are coming to school hungry.

Brexit is a far bigger risk to farming than a labour government, no one, including boris knows what actual brexit looks like for business and trade because it hasn't been negotiated yet. There is no 'get brexit done' its just the beginning. Conservatives thrive on hate and the creation of artificial 'enemies' and 'others' manipulating poor people into hating poorer people. I'm voting hope not hate.

SinkGirl

Do you honestly believe that we can just go back without any penalty

@Oliversmumsarmy are you kidding? The EU would snap that up immediately!

I am sure they want to but I doubt they will just let us back in without a penalty.

I mean if we rejected Corbyns deal we would be between a rock and a hard place and the EU would know it.

Of course not. Labour’s investment is desperately needed after Tory austerity and on a scale of other European countries would be average.

We can’t go back. We haven’t left.

Exactly. We haven’t left, so there’s no renegotiation of terms. What sort of “penalty” are you talking about? If we left and then ever decided to rejoin, we’d never get the (frankly fantastic) set up we have now.

The EU would see it as a massive win if we remain. Demonstrates quite clearly to other members that leaving is an eye-wateringly expensive and basically impossible thing to do unless you want to tank your economy and end up worse off.

If we do leave that’s a win for them too - no other member will ever want to leave after seeing what’s happened to us.

There's only so much money, so yes different parties plan to put it in different places, but something has to be cut for something to get more. I don't get how changing government all the time helps, waste of time. And to be honest Corbyn does not seem to want to be the prime minster anyway. Each party has its good and bad policies but there isn't a magic money tree. Leaving the country is a bit extreme.

Private Eye has been consistently excellent on what a disaster Brexit is for farming. Well worth looking up their past columns on the question.

I am a Tory Remainer and don'tt hink Camerson should have had a referendum but the country voted to leave and it is very likely whether Labour or the Tories get in that we will be leaving so in a sense that boat has sailed. the Lib Dems will not win power. So I don't think Brexit should be most people's key deciding issue in this election. Look at the policies and which you think will be better for the UK and economy (Tory policies obviously).

As brexit will happen whether Labour wins power or not farmers should look at Labour's likely asset taxes and how they may well deal with issues such as changes to capital gains tax and agricultural property reliefs.

What xenia said, although I'll add the caveat that its been very easy for Labour to almost ignore Brexit in its manifesto and if they get in they might be a tad surprised by how much of their time it will take up and much less time and money they will have for their policies.

Private Eye has been consistently excellent on what a disaster Brexit is for farming.

Yes, farming is so much better off under CAP.

Xenia I don't understand your point that Brexit will happen whether Labour win power or not.lanohr have promised a referendum. If its put back to the people I do think there is still a good chance Leave will win but it's by no means certain.

I really do think this is the Brexit election. No party Tory or Labour will achieve much this term. The focus will all be Brexit.

I would be surprised if whoever wins manages the 4 1/2 year term. I think we have got a further tumultuous time ahead before our politics settles down again.

It’s obviously a Brexit election. Johnson’s like a stuck record with “Get Brexit done”.

I agree - it’s all Boris can say. His manifesto is light on policy and he’s getting challenged on his lies regarding funding for hospitals and more nurses. If the Tories do get in I can’t see them lasting for long when people see the negative impact of Brexit and lack of positive change to public services.

GLook at the policies and which you think will be better for the UK and economy (Tory policies obviously)*

They barely have any policies. It looks like more of the same old shite to me. They were the ones who cut the police numbers in the 1st place and recruiting more nurses wont solve the NHS problem. There’s barely anything on the issue of social care which is national crisis. At least May gave it a shot. Their main policy is get Brexit done by January which any sensible person knows is completely impossible. Even if they get their withdrawal agreement through that’s not Brexit is it?

And if Boris says “oven ready” once more someone needs to stuff him with his shitty manifesto and stick him in the oven on high!

The peculiar thing about Boris's version of "oven ready" seems to be "ready to put in the microwave". And, after all, in those terms stuff can be over-ready when it's deep frozen, so he clearly needs to think through his domestic metaphors.