to ask if you will be (considering) leaving the UK if Labour/Corbyn get into power?

[oliwki]

If so, where will you be going?

@Tellmetruth4 yes it sounds very familiar. Many of my hometown peers sadly. I have alienated myself from them with my supposedly regressive politics

outherealone

Years ago 18 year olds were considered adults and made adult decisions based on their finances.

When did it change?

I think people really need to look at the finances and do the maths before they make a leap which will saddle them with a huge debt for the next decade or 3.

I have 2 dc.

One is 17 and has just started to work. The other (19) has been in work for 3 years.

I don’t think that Labours manifesto pledge for free tuition fees are really going to have that much of an impact on people who cannot afford to live away from home.

All it will mean is when you have finished uni then you will not have as big a debt

Don’t the uni fees just get lumped on your final bill.

My 19 year old has many friends in university up and down the country and she gets the feeling that if Labour get in her friends are under the impression that free tuition means free everything else.
They think they can live for free and come out of uni with no debt and the party can continue for 3 years with no bills at the end.

I don’t see how free tuition fees are going to stop students selling sex to survive.

Ultimately if you can’t afford it you need to delay uni until you can

swear upthread Oliversmummy said her DH had cancer? So why would she consider moving to the US

The cancer survival rates are a lot higher in the US than in the UK.

Dp because he works and travels to the US a lot already has a US health insurance policy

Sinkgirl, I know of them - don’t know them personally but yes, they and their families moved to Switzerland.

This thread is interesting though.

All those saying good riddance and that it wouldn’t happen. You do realise this isn’t aimed at the majority of people, it’s aimed at the ones that already pay a much larger chunk of the tax than the majority?

And in response to our move to Germany or Denmark. Not stupid in the slightest. We aren’t on 20% tax like I’m assuming you are??

My 19 year old has many friends in university up and down the country and she gets the feeling that if Labour get in her friends are under the impression that free tuition means free everything else. They think they can live for free and come out of uni with no debt and the party can continue for 3 years with no bills at the end.

So we should not support a policy because some 19 year olds have allegedly misunderstood it? 🤔

I went to university when tuition fees were means tested and much lower. I supported myself with student loans and a job in the holidays.

You seem to be forgetting about academically able children without well off parents who could get a degree and have a great career and access some of the opportunities that so many take for granted (not to mention could train as HCPs, teachers etc). Under the current system they don’t go. It’s as simple as that. Is it really wrong to want young people to have the opportunity to access a full education?

And again, everyone has been conveniently silent about the thousands of disabled children with severe enough disabilities to have been already granted an EHCP, and yet they have no school place. My twins are 3 and already diagnosed with multiple disabilities, severely affected and non verbal and you would simply not believe the battle I’m having trying to get EHCPs in the first place. The entire system is set up to prevent disabled children from accessing an appropriate education. Local authorities write plans which don’t comply with the law in the vast majority of cases, and the onus in on the parents to understand the law and challenge it. I’ve had to put more work into this than I did into my dissertation at university and without many of the skills I learned at university my kids would be absolutely screwed.

You have no idea how many parents of disabled children have no option but to home educate. These are parents who are already overwhelmed with caring responsibilities and kids who will never reach their full potential.

Would you be happy if this were your children? I guarantee you would not.

And that’s not getting into the many other issues disabled people face under this government.

But yeah, let’s feel sorry for the (totally 100% real) people mentioned upthread who have to pay 50% rather than 45% tax on their £8m bonuses.

The cancer survival rates are a lot higher in the US than in the UK.

And why would that be, do you think? But hey, you an access insured private healthcare abroad so what do you care?

What do you think the survival rates of uninsured Americans look like compared to the uninsured?

It’s not pretty
abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4509807&page=1

I don't understand - if people leave, won't it just open up their jobs and opportunities for other people happy to stay here? If there is room in the market to support those roles, there will still be room in the market after they leave for people who are a little less greedy.

I came out of university with no debt............

And my parents didn't fund me..........

I stayed at home as I couldn't afford to go to a university in a different city.

And I had a job

And my understanding of health insurance in the US is that it has a ceiling so if you have a cancer which requires lots of treatment, eventually you’ll run out of cover. I guess that’s when the local community have to start bringing around food and doing fundraisers for you.

No way will I be selling any of my houses to my tenants at a reduced price!

Oh and this? That policy was floated and dropped. Not going to happen. So there goes that problem.

FWIW I did HE Ds as he has learning difficulties.

So we should not support a policy because some 19 year olds have allegedly misunderstood it

I was saying that no one is correcting them.

I was trying to point out that even on here there is some confusion.

If someone is selling sex to pay for uni.
Then free university fees are not going to help.

The fees and the living costs are 2 separate things. The fees are part of a loan that doesn’t have to be paid back till people are earning over a certain amount.

Living expenses still have to be paid for

Plus insurance for a travelling non-resident foreign national will not be the same as for a US resident national. Your DH will not be given health cover with such a serious pre-existing condition especially as he can’t be far from retirement age with late teen children, unless he’s the only person on the planet with a particular skill.

Haven't read the thread. Not going to. Higher rate tax payers here. I would consider leaving if Johnson gets in.

@Oliversmumsarmy
19 year old has many friends in university up and down the country and she gets the feeling that if Labour get in her friends are under the impression that free tuition means free everything else.
They think they can live for free and come out of uni with no debt and the party can continue for 3 years with no bills at the end.

My DT’s are at Uni - they and their friends totally understand what the Labour proposals mean. None of them think they would have everything paid for. I’ve not come across anything who things that. Some of the graduates in my team at work are first in their family to go to Uni and they appreciate the advantages they are getting in their career.

FWIW I did HE Ds as he has learning difficulties.

Was that your choice? Or was it your only option?

Either way, you know how difficult it is to home educate a child with learning difficulties, and that it may be more or less difficult than your experience based on the severity of their needs.

Why would you support a party who are forcing tens of thousands of children and parents into this situation when it’s not in their best interests? Why would you support a party who’ve left local authorities with a £3bn deficit, predicted to be £8bn by 2024, which inevitably means a shocking lack of alternative provision for children who need it?

You said your DS has a job? My children will very likely never be able to work or live independently if they don’t access intensive specialist teaching and support as soon as possible, and even then it may not be possible. Investing in their education now could prevent them from being 100% reliant on the state for the rest of their lives. Talk about false economies and kicking the can down the road.

Also, back to the point- under the last labour government, corporation tax was 26%. And yet all those big companies you believe will leave are still here. Why is that? This is just classic scaremongering supported by posts that smell strongly of tory shilling

I’m really hoping he gets in . The tories have slashed services to the extent they are unsafe and workers exhausted or leaving in droves
Considering moving somewhere where there is more concern with social justice and proper funding - ? Scotland maybe

Diane Abbott doing the maths - and we all know she can't add up

Neither can Philip Hammond, he was out by 20 billion. But they're both mathematical geniuses compared to this idiot:

twitter.com/TheaDickinson/status/1197525830173364224

I'm chuckling slightly at the idea of people being just able to leave the country and live somewhere else...

The wealthier people in this country may well be insulated from the impact of most of this government’s policies - they can pay for private healthcare and private schooling (or afford to live in the catchment areas of the best schools) and live in areas with lower crime rates and may live in local authorities who are better off due to a disproportionate number of more expensive properties, etc.

But they also have to pay a huge proportion of their income to access these things. Even if I could afford private education, I would much rather pay less money in tax into a properly funded school system so that all kids get a decent education. Same goes for healthcare. I’d rather pay less in tax than I would in nursery fees with the additional benefit that every child gets decent early years provision.

The way our education and health systems are now is not how they have to be. Many agree that the system is broken but then want to condemn the only party making any plans to change things.

Things can’t continue as they are. The wage gap is growing. An increasing number of working people are living in poverty and / or are homeless. People are literally dying. Hate crimes are increasing. What will it actually take?

If the tories get back in and there’s a no deal Brexit, the NHS will be history. We’ll be tied to the US under very unfavourable terms. Workers rights will be eroded in order to secure deals with other countries. The last decade will look prosperous in comparison.

YABU to ask. I suspect another conservative technique to generate concern over labour

I do think what has happened here is that some are refusing to believe they anyone would leave the UK. But they will. My SIL and family already have and we have nearly grown up youngest child. We would move, we have the wherewithal to do it. Labour cannot say it’s just people over £80k who will pay extra. The very wealthy will move taking their tax revenue with them. Amazon, Google and the like will either employ very expensive accountants to help them or pass the extra costs onto YOU. I can hear the howls of protest - not us paying, surely the funding for Labour’s daft plans are for others to pay?

Or we could not use Amazon, Google etc. Or we use them but expect to pay more for their services? But the top 5% will absolutely not be paying the additional tax.

THAT IS FOR US TO PAY

Neither can Philip Hammond, he was out by 20 billion

Indeed. I mean he was only the chancellor at the time. A grasp is maths probably wasn’t important for that role...

But people only remember Abbott. Funny that.

Look at TFL and the rail unions. Endless strikes and pay demands. They are very well paid with final salary schemes. Times that by 100 if Labour get it. Wasn’t McDonnell on the picket line for Macdonald workers demanding £13.50 per hour?