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To think that parents of twins

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scrapaja · 20/11/2019 11:20

Have it financially harder than parents of single kids.

The government recognise the financial hardship experienced by parents of children with disabilities and also recognise single babies' financial hardship - offering maternity leave and child benefit. But parents of twins - I don't feel seen or acknowledged as being different to a parent of a single baby but there are differences.

We didn't plan for two babies. I love them dearly.

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Courtney555 · 23/11/2019 23:22

The ignorance is staggering.

And here to stay it would seem.

PutThatDown10 · 24/11/2019 01:19

Oh gawd another "my life is tougher than others because I have twins" thread Hmm it's been a while!

Parenting is tough, everyone has their problems and struggles.

Courtney555 · 24/11/2019 07:50

Oh gawd another "my life is tougher than others because I have twins" thread

Do keep up. It's another "I chose to have two separate pregnancies and two separate children and then claim it's no different to parents who have twins" thread.

Pomley · 24/11/2019 07:55

@PutThatDown10 so we should just dismiss everyone? Or is it okay with you if people highlight where they are struggling and ask others for advice and wonder what support would be of benefit?

PennysPocket · 24/11/2019 08:13

I have 4 dc.

2 boys 16 months apart.
Very much a surprise twin girls when the youngest ds was 4.

Yes it was more expensive having twins for the obvious reasons.
Double nappies, twice as many clothes, double baby milk ( I did bf for 3 weeks but it was too much in the end) they shared an oversized cot until 1yo but then we had to buy 2 toddler beds. Of course double buggy , twice the admission to baby groups which is not a huge amount but still double costs.
Once in school twice the uniform with no option of clothes being passed down, twice the school trip money, twice the lunch money and when I went back to work full time twice the childcare costs.

They are 13 now so the costs are levelling out but I still dread September Smile

Also the physical and mental strain of having 2 at once is a form of "cost" I feel.

I don't think stating the cost of multiple births should be ignored because some other parents have it harder for whatever reasons. It should be ok on a parenting forum to discuss any difficulty in parenting we are experiencing without shutting each other down.

FrogCat · 24/11/2019 08:24

I don’t have twins, but I’m sure it is tough practically and financially in the early years.

It isn’t comparable to being a single parent, though. And it is very, very far from having a disabled child (or children).

Not sure what the government can do to help. An extra benefit is a bit of a reach. Perhaps a scheme to discount the second nursery place? Or does that already exist?

Courtney555 · 24/11/2019 08:39

It isn’t comparable to being a single parent, though. And it is very, very far from having a disabled child

Correct. Totally correct.

The comparison is that of twins/multiples compared to having a "standard" two/three children.

PutThatDown10 · 24/11/2019 08:55

No... I'm saying people should not assume their lives are any tougher than anyone elses, everyone has challenges and the threads like these are just silly. There's a difference between asking for help or saying you're struggling and claiming you're life is tougher than others.

Double maternity leave? Don't make me laugh... Yes it's tough but loads of people have 2 or more children with very little age gaps, may not have planned it and also struggle. There's also people with children with SN which I'm sure have quite a handful and not a lot of support - which to be honest, they do have a point because they do have it tough!

A few of my friends have twins, one struggles - she also has another child only 1.5 yr gap, another one says she hasn't found it as tough as expected, she isn't rich either so has made sacrifices and adapted to it.

I just find the whole "twins vs everyone else" a bit tedious...

BigSandyBalls2015 · 24/11/2019 09:01

Haven’t read it all but my big bug bear has always been the fact that my twin 2 has always been seen as my second child and therefore has the reduced child benefit. They were born at the same time!

The idea of reduced payment for subsequent children is presumably because you already have the cot/pram/car seat etc and can hand it down.

PutThatDown10 · 24/11/2019 09:04

"Haven’t read it all but my big bug bear has always been the fact that my twin 2 has always been seen as my second child and therefore has the reduced child benefit. They were born at the same time!"

Now this I can understand... I agree that it seems a bit ridiculous.

PennysPocket · 24/11/2019 09:08

I would have benefited from a few extra months paid maternity leave if I am honest.

The toll of carrying and birthing 2 babies (it literally nearly killed me) plus coping with 2 newborns was a big physical and mental strain.
I believe extra paid mat leave should be available for mums who have a SN baby too.
Other than that I can't see what the government could or should offer really.

Duckyneedsaclean · 24/11/2019 09:13

I've got a disabled child with a brother 1 year older and twins. Both are fucking hard.

But tbh I agree with op. It really isn't the same as having two children a year or two apart. The majority of twin mothers have to give up work until school age, or greatly reduce hours.

One maternity leave for two babies is an absolute shitter, especially when so many have to start early due to prematurity or health.

Tomselleckhaskindeyes · 24/11/2019 09:22

I am a parent of twins and it has been hard. I have up work rather than pay for childcare for three children close in age. There are no hand me downs between children and we always need two of everything. We decorated bedrooms and you feel that you can’t do one room without the other. They both needed a new bed and wardrobes and draws. It is a big hit all at once.

Courtney555 · 24/11/2019 09:23

I just find the whole "twins vs everyone else" a bit tedious

You keep spectacular missing the point. It's not twins Vs everything else. At all.

It's twins Vs two separate pregnancies. Not everyone else. Specifically that.

And FYI, I have a child with additional needs as well. So your "that's where the support is needed" is balls my dear, you have experience of neither so maybe don't preach, or open your ears a teeny bit to those of us who actually have a clue. The additional support is needed in both areas. It's not recognised at all for multiples. At least there is some recognition (even though nowhere near sufficient in a lot of cases) for disabilities.

Tomselleckhaskindeyes · 24/11/2019 09:23

Also I have a lasting health condition as a result of carrying twins and I will only be able to work part time.

Turtlesone · 24/11/2019 09:24

I can’t read this whole thread right now, but I’m a twin mum and have had to give up work (although I work some weekends) as we can’t afford nursery fees. I think a lot of parents of singletons don’t understand this. I often read on here ‘I wish I could afford to be a SAHM’. It always irritates me, try I wish I could afford not to be a SAHM!

dontcallmeduck · 24/11/2019 09:27

If parents if twins started getting extra benefits such as higher child benefit, maternity pay or leave or help towards childcare where would it stop?

Parents with a big age gap should surely get the higher child benefit amount as they’re having to buy equipment all again.

Parents with a small age gap are having to buy double peaks, pay double childcare fees, pay double entry to playgroups.

Parents with different gender children could argue they’re having to buy different clothing/toys and aren’t able to pass uniform etc down.

Twins island affording twins is an an obvious consideration before getting pregnant (If planned).

dontcallmeduck · 24/11/2019 09:27

Twins and not twins island!

PutThatDown10 · 24/11/2019 09:35

Oh I'll go tell my SIL that it's balls that she doesn't get enough support then with her SN child Hmm

Get over yourself, I'm glad you get the support but many others don't so balls to your ignorant comment.

PutThatDown10 · 24/11/2019 09:36

Donrcallmeduck

Glad to see a post that makes sense, very good points.

PutThatDown10 · 24/11/2019 09:39

Funny looking through my posts I'm trying to find where I said they shouldn't get help? Or that it isn't tough?

The whole system needs to be looked as a whole, not just for twin mums.

PennysPocket · 24/11/2019 09:46

Twins island affording twins is an an obvious consideration before getting pregnant (If planned).

The extra few months maternity leave is not unreasonable given the physically and mental toll of carrying and birthing multiple children brings.
I don't think a higher benefit payment due to twins is reasonable but surely you can accept that growing 2 babies his harder and more dangerous than just one. Why shouldn't that be taken in to consideration for nat leave?

SinkGirl · 24/11/2019 09:47

It isn’t comparable to being a single parent, though. And it is very, very far from having a disabled child (or children).

This is my point though. All those things that make life tough for parents of singletons can also be true for parents of twins.

Both of my twins are disabled. Parenting two disabled toddlers simultaneously is very challenging, but not as challenging as my friend whose twins are both wheelchair users and profoundly disabled.

I met many mums in nicu who had one baby in there for a month or so and it was incredibly hard for them. Mine spent 17 days and 2 months in there respectively which was a huge challenge. I know a twin mum who’s single and her twins were very premature and she spent four months in nicu with them, one has needed multiple heart surgeries. She’s lucky she has family to help (we don’t, so I’d be screwed if DH couldn’t care for one twin when I’m with the other in hospital). Another twin mum is married but her twins were in for 7 months and one has extensive medical needs - like us one is frequently admitted to hospital, which causes all manner of challenges when you have two.

Yet another local twin mum has autistic twins and her husband died when they were babies.

All of these things would be very hard with one baby, but are so much harder when there are two at once. Aside from the financial issues already discussed, I’ve had to do two lots of DLA, blue badge and in particular EHCP applications which are a nightmare for one child, the stress of two at once has nearly driven me over the edge. Just the fact they’re twins has made things so much more complicated as the LA have forgotten to request reports for both of them on multiple occasions.

We have two lots of portage sessions, SALT sessions, two lots of consultants, double the tests etc etc.

On top of that I literally can’t take them out by myself because they have no sense of danger and no understanding of language. If there were only one I could take them to the park, to the beach, to soft play, swimming etc. Soft play, swimming or a similar activity is utterly impossible without another adult so there’s one each.

I wouldn’t be able to do a regular job even without their additional needs. When they had chicken pox there’s was a full month where one or the other was off nursery. From October through to about April there’s almost always one of us with a bug at any one time. It’s a blooming nightmare. The same would be true for any working parent, but the number of times we have one that’s well enough for nursery and one that’s not is insane. The only twin parents I know who’ve managed to go back by now have family who can take them when they’re sick.

I’m absolutely not saying we have it harder than anyone else - I literally don’t know how parents with triplets or more manage, or people with more than one set of multiples, or people who have twins when they already had a couple of children. Or people with children more disabled than mine. Or single parents without a lot of family support etc.

It just seems bizarre that some people are so eager to dismiss the obvious difficulties of having double the usual number of babies at the same time. Doesn’t mean it’s harder than anything else in existence (we aren’t in somewhere like Syria for a start), but denying the objective reality that having two babies is harder than having one is odd.

PutThatDown10 · 24/11/2019 09:50

Penny's... We could apply that to a lot of situations though, I know women that had very difficult pregnancies and births that it took them several years to recover, giving birth can be traumatic and take its toll on anyone.

PennysPocket · 24/11/2019 09:50

Sink I know you didn't post for this but Christ you are amazing! Flowers

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