I honestly don't understand why anyone who cares about anyone other than themselves would vote Tory.

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An awful lot of people are only bothered about themselves OP, don't you realize this? That's why the conservatives keep getting in.

I've never voted Tory and never will,but I honestly don't think that I can vote Labour any more,not while there's a risk that Jeremy Corbyn could end up as PM.

Conservatives are falling apart and Labour have gone so far left that they're becoming right.

Nonsense. Labour aren’t even close to far left.

Labour will bankrupt the country, like they always have done
Nope, they haven’t “always” done this - do you think Blair and Brown were somehow responsible for the global financial crisis.

The Tories don’t have a good understanding of the economy at all - they know to starve services of funding and run them into the ground so people don’t fight them when they’re privatised.

If Labour or other get elected, this country is doomed.

The country is already doomed under the tories - do you understand what’s been happening in this country over the last ten years.

I can't understand why anyone who cares about everybody would not vote for the Tories, the least bad of the bunch.

Really? Have a look at these and then say that again with a straight face.

I compiled this for a recent thread, seems relevant here...

Here’s a study which links more than 120,000 deaths to the extreme health and social care spending cuts we’ve experienced
bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/11/e017722

Here’s the housing department handing £817m of cash, allocated for affordable housing, back to the treasury to prop up the help to buy scheme
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/help-to-buy-affordable-housing-funding-divert-property-market-buyers-sajid-javid-a8233011.html

This NY Times article is very enlightening including

• Welfare Reform Act of 2012 increased the number of children in poverty by over 650,000!

-Use of food banks almost doubling in 3 years, and even more so in UC areas! -How police and social care cuts have increased crime statistics! -And more!

www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/world/europe/britain-austerity-may-budget.html

Austerity has disproportionately affected working families with children, and BAME women in particular, while benefiting older homeowners and wealthy pensioners
www.if.org.uk/2015/11/23/new-research-shows-austerity-is-favouring-older-voters-at-the-expense-of-the-young/

DfE stats show 4500 children with EHCPs have no school place - the number of children with SEN, no EHCP and no school place is even higher
www.theguardian.com/education/2018/oct/23/send-special-educational-needs-children-excluded-from-schools

400k more children and 300k more pensioners living in poverty now than in 2012-2013
www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/04/uk-government-warned-over-sharp-rise-children-pensioner-poverty-study

40,000 social rent starts under labour in 2009/2010, dropped to just 1,000 in 2016
www.mulbury.co.uk/news/mulbury-homes/comment-time-end-housing-sector-austerity/

Number of rough sleepers people doubled from 2010 to 2016, by the government’s own count
www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/02/13/2017-the-year-the-full-effects-of-austerity-are-felt

Benefits cap affecting 116,000 of the country’s poorest families in 2016
www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/01/extended-benefit-cap-hit-116000-families-housing-experts

2/3 of those affected by the bedroom tax are disabled
www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jul/16/bedroom-tax-burden-disabled-people

Number of households living in temporary accommodation reached almost 80,000 by last year. 55% of homeless families are working.
england.shelter.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/1545412/2018_07_19_Working_Homelessness_Briefing.pdf

Since 2010, LAs have had to spend £4bn on redundancies due to funding cuts. Birmingham LA laid off half their workforce
www.lgcplus.com/research/lgc-maps/revealed-the-staggering-4bn-cost-of-a-decade-of-job-losses-12-09-2018/

In 5 years, 70% of LAs say they will be unable to fund non-statutory services
www.nlgn.org.uk/public/2018/18304/

We have the worst performing life expectancy rates for women out of the top 20 leading world economies. For men, only the US is worse
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45096074

Welfare Reform and Work Act 2016 cut the income of disabled people in the work-related ESA group by almost £30 per week
researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7649

And that’s obviously those who could get it in the first place. Do I need to talk about the scandal of PIP, revocation of lifetime DLA awards, the fact that 1 in 7 rejected PIP claims are overturned at appeal (for those who have the strength and ability to appeal)? This rate of overturned decisions is increasing every year, not going down.
www.disabilitynewsservice.com/one-in-seven-rejected-pip-claims-is-overturned-dwp-figures-show/

The companies responsible for the horrific treatment of disabled people (at the government’s bidding)? Well they’ve just had their contracts renewed, at a cost of £630 million, without going out to tender despite extensive complaints, dodgy practices targeting the most vulnerable people, giving staff targets to turn claimants down etc
(And one of those is ATOS, who’ve never had to pay a penny in U.K. tax by the way)
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dwp-quietly-hands-private-firms-16243454

They also received a £40m funding increase, despite never meeting government quality targets - I guess there is a magic money tree when it’s a choice between giving cash to these companies or to disabled people
www.consultancy.uk/news/16818/atos-and-capita-miss-targets-for-acceptable-700-million-pip-assessments

And I haven’t even mentioned the NHS...

I honestly don’t understand how anyone who cares for this country and it’s values could ever even consider voting Labour, unless you believe in anti semitism and want a prime minister who is a terrorist sympathiser?

I don't like the Tories much, particularly recently.

But relative to Labour, I used to see them as the party of pragmatism, versus the party of naive ideology. I now think that both sides have their own ideological sacred cows that they refuse to touch.

It is not beyond the pale to feel that a well regulated market generally outperforms the government in the provision of most things, that we should favour incremental change over radical upheaval based on the latest progressive whim, that letting people have more control over their own lives and money is generally better than over-regulating and over taxing.

These are all small-c conservative values that I hold. I also think the current Tories are to the right of these values. I think Labour under Corbyn are abhorrent enough to hold my nose and vote for them anyway.

YANBU OP. If anything I think your being mild mannered about it.

As the other half and carer to someone who has been severely impacted by current Tory lot I am struggling massively with this. I console myself with voters don't really understand what's happening and people actually aren't heartless cunts...but I think that's just a nice story that I tell myself. Its alright Jack land atm...

But still there's this foolish voice in my head that's says but if they knew the consequences, the medical consequences for DP and everyone else then people wouldn't choose for that to happen but then I know Tory voters and there's this sense of detachment that it's just their responsibility to vote yet the consequences of that vote do not fall on their shoulders.

Then i think am i bitter?

Am i angry?

Am i REALLY FUCKING angry?

I'm really fucking angry.

And powerless

Why do people keep saying things like Labour have bankrupted the country as if it was a fact. It Is Not True. The previous Labour gov was actually paying down the National debt until international banks ducked up. If you reme!bet the whole world looked to Gordon Brown for leadership. Truth is is if you vote Conservative, you are voting for people to die on the streets, for the NHS to be privatised, and endless other examples of people suffering and dying to protect your standard of living. Fine, but accept you have blood on your hands.

I honestly don't understand why anyone who cares about anyone other than themselves would vote Tory.

The majority of Labour voters are also voting for the party who will server their self-interest.

Ps I live on benefits, through no fault of my own, still think Labour is rotten!

I don't vote Tory. But I don't judge anyone for their voting as long as they have given it some actual thought and have reasons of their own beyond just they've always voted for the same party, or their parents voted for that party.

“if you vote Conservative, you are voting for people to die on the streets”

Pretty rich when the Labour leader is a terrorist sympathiser!

The labour leader is a terrorist sympathiser? Fuck me put down the daily mail.

Well plenty of people would be thousands of pounds a year worse off under Jeremy Corbyn. His pledges are ludicrous and unworkable, but if he did do them it would be disastrous.

Always vote Tory best for me and my family.

Well I sincerely hope that none of you have any need for the NHS in a few years time.

Deathgrip
You can find just as many links and studies proving how ridiculously bad labour is and would be for the country. Feel free to have a google.
Or just read what their grand plan is.

It would be hilarious if they were not a genuine threat.

I think they will be better for future generations nd current children. They want to gain a work ethic back and stop the reliance on benefits.

I honestly don’t understand how anyone who cares for this country and it’s values could ever even consider voting Labour, unless you believe in anti semitism and want a prime minister who is a terrorist sympathiser?

Boris is a racist, how is he different?

I agree. We also have a lot of turkeys voting for Christmas, don’t forget.
The Tories will never be voted out.
They’re idolised for some reason.
We’re fucked basically.

Only on mumsnet

I’m a teacher but I’d guess 50% of my friends work for NHS in variously capacities from consultant and to nurses to admin

Almost everyone I know voted Tory

I have no one to vote for and don't know what to do.

Natural Labour Voter, and I think still a member, but completely disillusioned with the party and don't want to vote for an Anti-Semite

I Could never vote Tory would not be in the interest of anyone I know, and would feel like a traitor

Other Mumsnetters have highlighted the almost embarrassing inefficacy of Lib Dems and Greens

I don't want to abstain or waste my vote. Lost.

I cannot disagree with a single word that VanyaHargreeves has said here but would add in that no party apart from the Tories seems to have any sense or concern for natal women where the transgender disaster is concerned.

I feel politically adrift

I can't endorse any of them. I'll be spoiling my ballot paper.

Most people are only bothered about themselves, their family and their friends.

They cut bereavement support for families from being entitled until your youngest is 16 years old to 18months! My children will now suffer through no circumstances that we could have changed and yet we have paid god
Knows how
Much debating this brexit malarkey. Families are suffering- all families matter.

@Lenny1980 as opposed to The Daily Hate?

So those of you voting Tory dont use schools, parks, the NHS / Emergency services at all then?