I honestly don't understand why anyone who cares about anyone other than themselves would vote Tory.

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*I vote tory always have ..I don;t need anyone to understand why'

As long as you understand why, and it isn't just because you always have our your parents always have, then I respect your choice.

I have been told "If you are not a socialist by the time you are 30, you have no heart. If you are still a socialist after you are 30, you have no brain"

I cannot vote for a party with a leader that blatantly lies to us and smirks when called out on it. Who has been systematically manipulating election funds in the referendum and probably elsewhere but refuses to publish the evidence of this until after the election. Answers on a postcard as to why. When London mayor he squandered money on the garden bridge and water cannons that were never used. He is not fit to run a country. Meanwhile he is four square behind the Brexit that will only benefit his class and not the country as a whole.

I don't understand why people say they vote for their own little family's interests boak. It shows so little understanding of cause and effect. We all benefit from a fairer society, it boosts everyone's happiness (there's research on this). No one benefits ultimately from people struggling with mental health issues, poor schooling, reduced policing, centralised, London-centric government, lower taxation for the rich, loopholes for large corporations and off shore accounts.

I'm not a massive Corbyn fan either, but we need to get rid of a very right-wing Tory party, and voting for him maybe the only way to avoid a further lurch to the right and a disastrous cock up that's Brexit.

I've heard that too Skiing, and I think it's about right. The biggest problem facing the NHS is the UK population.

But the present generation of politicians are (generally) a third-rate shower of intellectual and moral lightweights.

I get you ilove and feel much the same but I've had people in my family (deceased now) who voted Tory all their adult lives and they did care about others. I would say none of them were really very politically minded but there would be something or things proposed by Torys, or in their manifesto, which appealed.

However the Conservative MPs whose profiles have become much higher in recent times are quite an extreme group - far more so than Theresa May ever was. They seem to occupy a different space to the rest of us where the atmosphere is rarified. Weird. They rub shoulders with some ultra right people too - think Farage andTrump. A mutual admiration society.

In the meantime the NHS is going down the pan - again - it did so under Thatcher (I worked for the NHS), when Labour got in in 1997 things improved dramatically. There was also far more care for people with severe, chronic illness, enabling them to stay at home. I was extremely impressed with that as it did affect my family. Then of course there was the flipping war and searching for 'weapons of mass destruction', which was not a happy time.

Back to the here and now, benefit caps or cuts are causing severe hardship for so many people, it's cruel.

Not enough money is put into education. Some schools are actually quite poor and have to beg and fund raise in order to buy necessary books and equipment. It's OK for better off people who live in pleasant leafy suburbs with good schools but so many schools are simply dreadful.

People who come out of the armed forces receive little support. I remember in days gone by they left with some good skills and were quite well looked after. Not so now. I'm no fan of the forces, much more a pacifist by nature, but they are sent into dangerous situations, can be maimed or killed, they are entitled to much more help than they receive at present!

I agree with you OP. I saw a post on Facebook which summed it up pretty succinctly. 'Basically it's a choice between a bloke who doesn't give a shit if you die and one who wants to stop you dying, so why is it hard to decide?'

I think for a lot of people the Tories are still the party of small businesses, 'traditional' values, respectability, The Family etc. Even when being run by a racist, adulterous, lying charlatan. (Similar to the people who voted for Trump because they have this idea that he represented the salt-of-the-earth traditional churchgoing working people. Despite all that stuff about abusing women and bankrupting small businesses by not paying them.)

I think there are rather a lot of such people. They are not malicious so much as they are just not very interested in 'politics', have a limited understanding of economics and the global picture and have so far been lucky enough not to have suffered too much under right-wing goverments, which enables them to hold on to the idea that poor people only have themselves to blame for their troubles.

(I remember reading an article a while ago but forget where - it was about black and brown people not just voting Tory but standing as Tory councillors and candidates - it was very much along the lines of small business people, respectability, family, etc being what made them identify as Conservatives.)

It's always the NHS for me. I cannot trust a serial adulterer, proven liar and Puppet of Trump, and definitely not with the NHS. I agree it needs reform - but not selling to Trump's friends.

This video was made by NHS workers before the 2017 election.

They were right. And this was before Johnson and his trade deals with Trump. The NHS is even more precarious now.

I think you should pull your head out of your arse and realise that people have different opinions to you.

I think Boris is a twat but really Jeremy, free Internet for all? How about spending those billions on the NHS? I've been really put off the Greens and Lib Dem's by some of the stuff posted here. I think I'll stay at home for the first time ever!

I can't understand why anyone who cares about everybody would not vote for the Tories, the least bad of the bunch

The Tories have brought us the mess of brexit, austerity, people dying from benefit cuts, a ballooning national debt, a prime minister who uses racist inflammatory language, the hostile environment, a growing problem in adult social care....
Their policies started things like selling council housing, PFI, privatisation of various services. They sold our assets off instead of keeping them and reinvesting profits back into the country.

For those of you who don’t know who to vote for, write on your voting slip, ‘none of the above’. It will be judged a spoilt paper. All spoilt papers are shown to the candidates. It will be good for them to see what people think.

However, I’m voting against the Lying Fatberg, so in this constituency will vote for the person most likely to stop our Tory MP.

Surprisingly I do understand why people vote Tory, but do not understand why anyone would vote for someone who tells such obvious lies - example; he turns and points to an invited BBC camera and says, ‘there are no press here.’ Or holds up a bunch of three bananas, saying, ‘everyone knows the EU stops us selling bananas in bunches larger than two or three.’ The local greengrocer was thrilled when the press descended on him to buy up bunches of ten or twelve.

I do wish people would realise the 2007/8 crash was not caused by a political party, but came about because of the American sub-prime scandal and the RBS.

I can't understand anyone who works for the NHS voting Tory, myself, with the underfunding, the 10 year pay freeze, the pension raid, the impossible 'targets', the cutting of the student bursary, the constant criticism of the NHS staff, the imposition of 24 hour working regardless of if that was necessary.

That'd be a nope from me.

Most labour voters are also voting for the party they perceive will allocate them more in the handout of resources. Just the same as OP is condemning Conservative voters for doing.

Frankly, both parties have moved far too far to the extremes for me to vote for. Both run by bigotted twerps who don't brook any deviation from the party line.

I honestly don't understand why people can't mind their own business and accept people vote differently. My best friend and I hold very different political views, and neither of us care because, in all honesty, it doesn't matter. I vote for what I feel is best for me and my family

Err, because it affects us all? I vote for what is best for society and I vote for those who seem to have basic morals (i.e. not the Tories) because I'm not a selfish prick.

I agree with you OP. I've previously voted Labour, Lib Dem or Green, but have lots of friends who vote Tory, and I understood this until recently. Even during years of austerity, I accepted that they believed it was part of a long term plan to turn things around. I'm not cynical about politicians, I think there are people on all sides with integrity and good intentions.

But I look at the current government and all I see is a bunch of unprincipled liars willing to drag the country further and further into the gutter. Not just Brexit, but ridiculously severe cuts that are increasing crime, damaging state education, leaving some people destitute and preventing others getting access to healthcare, and a failure to tackle environmental disaster. I am in total despair about the future of this country and the lives in store for my children's generation.

I don't particularly like Corbyn, I think he's a weak leader who has divided the Labour Party and alienated many of its supporters, but I think almost anyone would be better than the current PM, so I will vote Labour because my main priority is to rid us of this damaging government.

I completely agree with you op. I especially cannot understand why anyone who has a child in school, or who relies on the NHS for medical treatment would ever vote Conservative. They are systematically destroying the country.

BluerussianWhen dh left HM Forces in 2014, albeit at the end of his career, as opposed to invalided out, he received a pension, a lump sum, funds to go and do resettlement courses, support in CV writing, and time off before he left, to go and do a course at Manchester Business school. He still has a substantial amount of enhanced learning credits to use, after retiring again from his post Forces job. There is a lot of effort put into resettlement.

Most labour voters are also voting for the party they perceive will allocate them more in the handout of resources. Just the same as OP is condemning Conservative voters for doing.

All the labour voters I know are like us, in higher income households. We're voting labour because we want more resources going to families who aren't as lucky as we are. I would happily pay more taxes if it led to an end of the need for food banks. I believe that every adult should hang their head in shame while there are children going hungry in this country.

You lost me at Tories understanding economics 😂😂😂

I don’t understand how anyone can vote for full state control. That’s what you’ll get with this current labour government

Oh dear, yet another thread. It ought to be obligatory for everyone to rad the Guardian, the Telegraph, the Times, the not very Independant and even the Daily Mail before they post this claptrap

Yep the toeies leave a lot to be desired but Labour?. UNder Corbyn ??

Well suppose we'll all have fast high speed broadband thats somethimg to look forward to:)

Who's paying?, aww sod that, it's not my concern!!

Like that four day week though?

Because I care about my family I could never vote Labour and certainly not a Labour govt run by the two Communists Corbyn and McDonnell. I listened in disbelief this morning to the Today programme as John McDonnell cheerfully said how he'd nationalise BT Openreach. It's a private company! You can't go around appropriating private companies and saying 'The state is going to run this now, sorry shareholders but that's the way it is'. One person, one vote and it's up to everyone how they use it, whether they choose to vote altruistically (if voting to bankrupt our country could be called that), or whether they choose to prioritise their own family's needs. It's really no one else's business.