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To sneakily admire this mum of a bullied child

246 replies

churchandstate · 06/11/2019 14:35

I read this expecting to be disgusted, then I watched the video and by the time she was putting her hair up I couldn't help it: I begrudgingly liked her. Shocking that it came to this, but I can only imagine she was at the end of her tether.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7655161/Disturbing-moment-raging-mother-confronts-sons-bully-expletive-laced-rant.html#comments-7655161

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IWorkAtTheCheescakeFactory · 06/11/2019 19:29

Whatever happened to believing the victim? Or is it perceived for some reason she isn't a victim?

Her son is the victim of the bullying. Not her. I’m pretty sure this child was bullying hers. It’s rife, there’s every reason to believe it’s true. But I’m certainly not going to accept it as gospel when the only part of the story we have is a minute long and shows the person telling the story being extremely aggressive and threatening violence. I’ve seen enough similar stories that have gone viral and then more comes out as time goes on. Calling the woman a hero Hmm and whatever other cringey stuff people are saying is ridiculous on the basis of what we’ve seen.

blubelle7 · 06/11/2019 19:31

You get to that point because schools won't deal with the bullies and often protect them. Parents refuse to believe their little darlings could do some thing or blatantly ignore their child's bullying when approaches by the victim's parents.

I saw one outrageous article where the child was a bully and his parents were complaining other children were bullying him by excluding him because he would shout and hit them. Okay so teach kids to put up with another child abusing them right. I can see why a parent would get to the point this mum has.

IWorkAtTheCheescakeFactory · 06/11/2019 19:32

Yes, or are the parents of bullies.

How do you tell those ones on this thread then?

Sweetpeach3 · 06/11/2019 19:34

I love this lady for having the guts to confront a kid as these days you can't say boo to a goose without getting in shit!
Bullying is such an awful thing and school can't always do a great deal to stop it as they can't focus on a handful of kids all the time when their are sometimes hundreds on their hands and it can carry on outside of the school so yes sometimes parents getting involved is the only option and if you ask me as a kid if she approached me I'd shit my pants an not bother the kid again lol so i hope it's worked for her sons sake because I bet he did get upset by that and I don't think she looks a soft timid type what so ever!!

Soo all Hale this woman for standing up to her sons bully's and let's hope it's stoped it and her son can get on as normal!

ssd · 06/11/2019 19:37

My ds was bullied at nursery. I went to the bully's mum, she denied it, oh my son would never do that... I went to nursery assistant manager spoke to me, oh we don't condone bullying here it won't have happened, I wasn't giving up, went to other nursery teacher, she spoke to bully, he admitted everything. The little shit. Bullying stopped.

If your kids being bullied, never ever give up.

ffswhatnext · 06/11/2019 19:41

The mental impact bullying can have on the victim can be horrendous. Their mental health suffers as a result.
As many know with mental health, it doesn't just impact one person but everyone close to that person.
The child's mum and other household member are victims in their own right. They are the ones picking up the pieces. They are also worried about the child, but others in the home etc. Going over and over in their minds what could they have done.

If it wasn't because of the bully then there is a less of a chance of that home dealing with mh.

@HigherFurtherFasterBaby I am sorry to hear about your sister.

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 06/11/2019 19:47

I was bullied pretty much my whole school life. My parents approach was, "just give them a smack." School said I shouldnt be so sensitive.

I'm 36 now, I dont trust people. I have very little self worth. Every time I look in the mirror, I just see the ugly girl that they bullied. Those wounds cut deep.

I wish someone, just once, had my back.

TheFormidableMrsC · 06/11/2019 19:49

@Passthecherrycoke She so was! She went from Mrs Landrover Home Counties to Peggy Mitchell on crack in the space of 10 seconds. It was a really weird and also marvellous! I'm that mum now. I have an 8 year old DS with autism, I have a terrifying "don't mess with me" stare that works well!

Cuppachino · 06/11/2019 20:04

The video shows the bully saying he won't touch the victim again. That's an admission

Yes but he doesn’t do anything wrong in the video

Right ok, you're right...is that what you want to hear?

Cuppachino · 06/11/2019 20:06

Yes, or are the parents of bullies

How do you tell those ones on this thread then?

Is it just my posts you're deliberately picking fault on or what?

IWorkAtTheCheescakeFactory · 06/11/2019 20:39

Right ok, you're right...is that what you want to hear?

Right about what?

Is it just my posts you're deliberately picking fault on or what?

Asking you to explain your post isn’t picking fault. It’s asking you to expand on how you came to the conclusion you did. Also- you can see from my posts I’ve been engaging with numerous posters on this thread. I have no idea who you are so why in earth would I just decide to “pick fault” with your posts? Confused

CravingCheese · 06/11/2019 20:39

I'm on my daily commute (public transport) so I unfortunately can't listen to the video.

But my little nephew (always the youngest, the shortest, quite sensitive etc) was bullied by a boy. The kindergarten teachers said that they'd 'speak to the child and the parents'. Hmm
The bully responded by kicking my dn so hard that there was a major bruise.

My brother went directly to the bullies mother and telling her that he'd involve social services and would consider a civil claim (both possible, at least where we're at) if it ever happened again. And it didn't happen again (quelle surprise)...

So yes, the proper channels sometimes simply don't work.

IWorkAtTheCheescakeFactory · 06/11/2019 20:42

Craving I would argue that your brother did use a proper channel by speaking directly to the parents, which worked, without any aggression or threats of violence.

MarshaBradyo · 06/11/2019 20:43

I haven’t watched it but it’ll either make things worse in a couple of ways - ie other children or family getting involved (no idea how tough they are). Or it will stop.

Graphista · 06/11/2019 21:25

I was a small, bespectacled, red headed, skinny asthmatic as a kid prime target for bullies.

As a result and after the first time I was targeted (I’m eldest) by a shit of a boy who trapped my fingers in a door hinge and slammed the door, the school were fucking useless and believed his “accidental” bollocks, my tough weegie parents taught me (and my siblings) certain things:

Don’t start a fight but if someone else starts one finish it! If someone hits/pushes/kicks you, you do the same right back! If school have a problem with that we will 100% back you up (which they always did)

They backed this up showing us certain “Moves” to use against attackers who were bigger & stronger than us.

Stand up for others who are being bullied

Where I am “good” is I’m quite gobby and generally quite quick on the verbal side of things which is where girls can tend to go down that route with their bullying.

The problem is schools and police don’t take bullying seriously and even when they do, particularly with schools now they’re very ltd what they can do as they’re not even bloody allowed to raise their voices!

When I was at school (70’s and 80’s) there was at least sanctions that were hated by pupils which meant they had something they could use as a deterrent, litter picking duties, INSTANT after school detentions, being banned from special events like day trips and end of term discos, being put in a desk in the far corner of the classroom and not being allowed to speak... AND they could shout at pupils! Tell them off properly!

Now the govt expects teachers to be able to maintain control when they aren’t even allowed to raise their voices or say ANYTHING that can be construed as “negative” it’s fucking ridiculous!

As a repeated new girl (dad army) I had a few try it on, I employed the tactics parents had taught me if it was physical, on one occasion I didn’t even need to do that in response to a threat, I got the classic (as teacher had just appeared) “school gate! Home time! YOU are getting battered” they expected me to somehow hide from them, instead I was stood arms folded, determined look waiting for THEM at the school gate and it completely took the wind out their sails. A few years later I bumped into them I asked why they backed down and they replied honestly that I was a good half foot shorter and much less strong than them yet I’d been “bonkers” enough to turn up and be willing to have a go at defending myself “I knew you don’t mess with someone that bonkers, I thought you might have others nearby to back you up you were that confident”

Dd had a situation that was much harder to deal with as it was a “mean girls” the bully was her “friend” situation. So more gaslighting and manipulation than overt bullying I found that incredibly hard to deal with, with hindsight I should have just told the little madam to pack it in!! I talked a LOT with dd in terms of building her confidence, talking about how real friends don’t do stuff like this, how she didn’t have to put up with it etc eventually dd “saw the light” and told “friend” to fuck off!

But yea with more straightforward bullying a not so quiet word can be very effective! As a big sister I did that on a few occasions with kids who tried it with my siblings.

@afternoonspray I too had to deal with a teacher bullying dd, after trying the accepted procedure another incident occurred and we’d had enough, I marched into the school and fortuitously the hmie inspector was there too, let’s just say I put it in words of one syllable (but no swearing and didn’t raise my voice) that if said teacher bullied dd once more I’d be dealing with her myself not leaving it to the head! This was primary school too. We actually left the area & school shortly after for other reasons but stayed in touch with friends from there, teacher was sacked for slapping a child not 2 years later! She was a nasty piece of work who should never have been allowed anywhere near children.

“My suggestion for dealing with bullies is that they should be subject to the law on assault once they reach the age of criminal responsibility.” YES! But not only assault but any other actions which are illegal like cyber bullying. We are FAR too soft on this stuff.

CravingCheese · 06/11/2019 21:31

would argue that your brother did use a proper channel by speaking directly to the parents, which worked, without any aggression or threats of violence

Sort of. It was technically very strongly discouraged by the kindergarten.

And threatening people isn't too great either.

IWorkAtTheCheescakeFactory · 06/11/2019 21:39

It will be discouraged by the kindergarten because they want to deal with it in house with least fuss but it absolutely is a valid channel to deal with bullying. I think confronting the bully themselves is a valid channel too. My own mum did that when I was being bullied. But I disagree with what the woman in the video does.

Oct18mummy · 06/11/2019 21:49

Yep admire her too!

They need a taste of their own medicine! Did this to the person bullying my sister when we were at school. It never happened again afterwards.

isadoradancing123 · 06/11/2019 22:38

Good on her, and he is not a child, he is a kittle fucker, a bully and a coward who knows his rights

CravingCheese · 06/11/2019 22:46

IWorkAtTheCheescakeFactory

Now that I did watch it... Idk. Depends on the age of the kid she's threatening, what has actually happened and on whether she she did try other ways of dealing with this. Bullying can be brutal and having to watch it happen to your ds/dd must be soul destroying.... I guess I understand why a parent might snap a little bit.

But I also wonder whether it helped. Or whether she simply managed to stir up a family feud....

What does 'know yourself' mean in that context? I find her rant to be rather confusing tbh.

churchandstate · 07/11/2019 08:46

I think “know yourself” means know your limitations and step back from the risky course upon which you have embarked. 😂

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Lostsocksaresoannoying · 07/11/2019 08:56

In the papers today the boy is saying he isn't the bully and it's the woman's son who is the bully, known for bullying girls, and how he has only been sticking up for himself.

churchandstate · 07/11/2019 09:02

I’ve read that. It’s interesting. Obviously it’s impossible to know who to believe, but her anger is undeniable. She may be very unreasonable - we can’t know!

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 07/11/2019 09:10

only part of the story we have is a minute long and shows the person telling the story being extremely aggressive and threatening violence. Again... the story is being told by the kid, not the woman.

And if taking yiur hat off, keeping your arms by your sides, your voice quiet and walking slowly is extremely aggressive you have had a very sheltered life and mine has been about as vilent as any Arnie film!

As for her threatening violence - yes! It was really convincing wasn't it? Pshaw!

But the quiet menace of actions was far more scary!

And "Know yourself" is a great piece of advice. Know who you really are.. bully, coward, selfish gobshite, humanitarian... know who you really are, own it! Far too few people ever reflect upon themselves honestly!

ChilledBee · 07/11/2019 09:11

There was a mum in one of the schools I worked at who did come and beat the fuck out of a bully girl outside of school on the main road. She was arrested BUT that girl never bullied anyone again because she was so humiliated by what happened to her. She didn't come to school for weeks as she was so embarrassed but no other schools had space/wanted her. She was in year 10 when it happened and the girl she bullied was a Year 8. Little did she know that the girl's mum was known as the baddest in her year at the same school so many teachers knew her. The year 8 girl was a quiet, pretty girl who loved to sing.

They'd be in their mid twenties now.