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To leave because of DSS

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AngelKate22 · 06/11/2019 12:50

I feel absolutely awful even writing this, but I'm just at the end of my tether. I have name changed for this.

I have been living with my partner and DSS for just over two years now. He is 16. We aren't married, but do own the house together. DSS lives with us full time apart from every other weekend.

My partner works long, full time hours plus commute time, and I work from home. So, naturally, a lot of things like housework and sorting things out fall to me. I don't mind that, I think it's fair that the partner who is home most picks up the slack. But possibly things like this wouldn't bother me if that was different. For background, DSS used to go to my partner's parents' house after school every day, and DP would pick him up after work, but with me being at home now that seems silly.

The odd thing is, DSS is actually a nice lad, and we generally get on when no incidents are happening. But it's just that there are things he does that drive me up the wall.

We are in the process of doing up the house, and he has zero respect for anything. This week, he's dyed a load of washing red and broken the new machine by putting a snapped biro (which leaked and then got stuck in the mechanism of the machine) in with his clothes (never checks pockets, so often have tissues all over the clean washing. I normally do the washing for all of us, but he didn't put any of his in the basket and demanded that he NEEDED these jeans by the next day, so I said I'm not waiting up for it to be done as it was 11pm already, so he did them with the rest of his clothes from his floor.. and ruined them all).

We've just done the kitchen up and bought a beautiful, matching set of dishes. We asked him to use the older set when making food for himself as he's a) clumsy and b) never brings things down from his bedroom. He ignores this (usually because he's ran out of plates and can't be bothered bringing them down and washing them), and we have already had to buy a new set because he's broken 2 large plates and a pasta bowl. This is because he doesn't take care, and throws things about. He will literally throw plates onto the side if we've asked him to pick them up and take them to the kitchen. But then when he's smashed things, he won't even tell us, he just leaves the pieces on the kitchen floor or wherever they smashed.

He also spilt a can of coke (which he shouldn't even have had) on our new sofa before he was going to bed one weekend, but instead of alerting me, put a cushion over it. So by the morning it had spread and completely ruined it and the cushion. The sofa had just cost us £800. I have used stain remover on it and it has helped a bit, but you can still see it.

He gets angry sometimes when gaming, and has broken a pane of glass in the lounge door (again, new) by throwing his controller at it. Also, this anger seriously distracts me from working, as he is SO noisy and angry when playing these games. He has also had to get new controllers a couple of times because his - for some strange reason - break faster than normal.

He walks into the house on the new living room carpet in his dirty shoes, which are dirty because he cuts across the grass at the front of the house instead of taking two extra steps to get to the driveway. So the new carpet is filthy, and the grass and flowerbed is trampled. We are supposed to take our shoes off in the hallway, but he always "forgets".

I leave my phone downstairs to charge at night, and if he goes to bed after me (I go quite early so often it's DSS and DP downstairs later on) DSS's phone will be plugged in in the morning as he's unplugged mine, so mine will be low, which I need for work. The issue with that is that he actually has a charger in his own bedroom, so it completely baffles me. We only have one plug in our bedroom as it's old fashioned and we haven't got round to doing that room yet, so we have a lamp plugged into it.

I have a hobby of doing jigsaw puzzles which I do on the kitchen table. He puts his college bag on top of it, and has - several times - dragged the bag off again later, dragging the puzzle with it, onto the floor. Like the smashed dishes, he leaves it. It's crossed my mind that he does this on purpose.

Then there's all the mess he leaves behind him wherever he goes. I either have to pick it up myself or nag him constantly. No amount of nagging changes it. I don't mind what his bedroom looks like, but I would like the family parts of the home to be neat and tidy, and he literally has to walk past a bin to get back upstairs to his bedroom.

He has a habit of going out after college, and having food out, when I've already cooked for the family. Or he'll say he's going out, then not going out, and then wanting food when he comes back in which I hadn't planned for. The number of times we've had to phone him (he never picks up) because we don't know where he is after college is ridiculous.

He also can't get himself up on time. He has to be out of the house by 7.30 to get the bus, and even when woken by one of us in plenty of time, he takes so much time getting ready that he misses it at least once a week. DP has already left for work by the time the bus is due, so that's then down to me to either let him be late and get another bus (I can't bring myself to do that because he gets into trouble) or drive the 30 mins there and 30 mins back that it takes to get him there on time. That then puts my work behind and has, in the past, got me into trouble with my clients as I missed a deadline.

He has started smoking. He is actually denying this, and we have never a) seen him smoke or b) found cigarettes/a lighter in his room. BUT he always smells of it and ... there are sodding cigarette burns on the wall. So either he, or a ghost, is smoking in his room and then stubbing cigs out on the wall. I mean, seriously? We've decorated that room and he's burning the wall? Other than the obvious damage which is seriously annoying, we really really don't want him smoking. There is so much education on it these days, and the dangers of it are just scary.

My car got keyed a few months ago, and next door happen to have CCTV on the front. They showed me the footage, and it was DSS's group of friends INCLUDING DSS walking home after college. One of his friends did it, and he laughed along with them. I was absolutely gutted as, like with everything else, I worked hard for that car, and like to keep it nice. He has also spilt drinks inside the car itself, keeps his muddy football boots on or putting them on the seat instead of putting them in the plastic bag I give him, leaves wrappers and empty bottles lying around. So my car is an absolute state as well, and I can honestly say that none of the mess in it, at all, is mine.

Money is a bit tight at the moment, and this is the incident that has made me write this post. My partner has been unwell recently, so I had bought him a pack of lucozade from Costco (because that's what you drink when you're ill haha) and this morning there were none in the fridge. I asked DSS whether he'd been drinking them and he said "not exactly" and laughed. I asked what that meant, and he said he'd been taking them to college and selling them for £1 each (they don't sell energy drinks there anymore). I was absolutely fuming at this, because we don't have much money ourselves (our own fault for doing up the house, but we can handle it so long as we budget) and yet he's taking things that I've paid for, and making a profit out of them? I was absolutely gobsmacked!

DP disciplines him by taking away his X Box, but this doesn't work because he will either play at a friend's house after college without asking for permission to go, and he has one at his mum's when he goes there anyway. DP also says he won't get any pocket money unless he tidies up and is respectful, but he doesn't care, as his mum and grandparents both give him money weekly, so what we give him makes no odds. He does no chores around the house, won't even wash a dish or tidy his own bedroom. There's nothing DP can do that will make a difference. We are both nagging constantly and I hate that, but what we can we do? We can't just leave things the way they are, surely. We're not asking him to be a slave for us, just to look after things and do the dishes on occasion, maybe.

Don't get me wrong, I love my partner to absolute bits, hence why I'm still here, but the problem is that he's not here a lot of the time. And that's not his fault. We both work so so hard to have a nice house and nice things, but it feels like DSS is just working against us all the time to spoil things and make things difficult.

It's so weird though because when things are good, we all get on well and have a laugh. I can't stress enough that I DON'T dislike DSS, and I honestly do my absolute hardest to make sure he has everything he needs, that he gets help when he needs it with college work, that we go on nice trips at weekends etc, but there are just all of these incidents, and damage being done, and problems. I know all families have problems, but what I've said is the tip of the iceberg. I can't say some things because they're just too obvious, but I can't live like this, wondering what's going to get wrecked next. I would totally expect this if he was a toddler, but he's not!

What the hell can I do? I am actually thinking about moving out (and hoping to goodness DP will still speak to me) until DSS goes to university. Would that be a horrific thing to do? I'm just not enjoying life at the moment, and I don't see any other way. DP is at the end of his tether with it as well, as he doesn't want to come home from work to find the house (sometimes literally) smashed up, or pay to replace things we've only just bought.. and I don't want to leave him to cope with this on his own.

I know people will say that I should have thought of that before going out with someone with a child, but I absolutely did! I was fully prepared to treat this young man like he was my own, and be either a mother figure, a sister, a friend - whatever worked. It's just that I would never have thought of this kind of thing from a 16yo that's all.

Please help me :(.

OP posts:
KindnessCrusader · 06/11/2019 17:26

I had to stop reading, all I'm seeing is THINGS, NEW, MONEY, NEW. I can't make it to the end.

bessie84 · 06/11/2019 17:33

id have left long ago. I don't like him just by reading this. what an arsehole. I am a mum of teenagers, who are shits too but not like that, that's just utterly disrespectful.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 06/11/2019 17:35

I think you need expert help, from trained professionals and your DP needs to get time off work to be there.
You shouldn't be pushed out of your own home and he should not get one more lift in your car when he refuses to use the plastic bag you give him for muddy boots and he purposefully puts them on the actual seat, whilst he spills drinks all over the car seat. Its just so mean.

SaskiaRembrandt · 06/11/2019 17:36

If this is normal teenage behaviour then my DS must be veritable saints.

OP, I agree with PP that he is clearly damaged by what happened to him earlier in his life, but you can't fix that, only his parents can.

I'm not suggesting you should move out, but I wouldn't blame you if you did.

AlexaAmbidextra · 06/11/2019 17:39

Read bits and pieces and gave up sounds like obnoxious teenager! Pretty sure you would be moaning if he left the jigsaw on table too and didn't use the jigsaw mat and didn't roll it up behind him knowing you need to use table etc car is different matter but apart from that he's a horrible teenager who isn't allowed to use the good plated. Think you should move out and live a perfect life elsewhere.

You obviously have pitifully low standards TARSCOUT. Perhaps you have teenagers who behave like delinquents so it’s the norm to you?

Lockshunkugel · 06/11/2019 17:43

While ADHD and dyspraxia can cause anger and clumsiness, they don’t cause teenagers to behave like complete scum. I would move out. Just think how peaceful your life could be without all this mess, nastiness and aggression.

DontBiteTheBoobThatFeedsYou · 06/11/2019 17:44

I had to stop reading, all I'm seeing is THINGS, NEW, MONEY, NEW. I can't make it to the end.

Oh. So it's ok for a person to be a disrespectful twat if their stuff isn't new and didn't cost much? Hmm

Waveysnail · 06/11/2019 17:44

Dyspraxia did spring to mind but could be he is just being a little sod.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/developmental-coordination-disorder-dyspraxia/symptoms/

AFistfulofDolores1 · 06/11/2019 17:45

OP, as many other posters have said, I think you need supportive professional intervention.

Your DSS did not have the best start in life, and it is that that lies at the foundation of his behaviour. I really don't think either of you can handle this alone. It took years of shit to break him, and it will take time to help him as well ... if, that is, he wants to be helped.

Vanhi · 06/11/2019 17:45

Have to laugh at all the people saying he'll be off to uni in a couple of years. With that attitude, what makes you think he'll get the qualifications and that a university will want him?

GoodGriefSunshine · 06/11/2019 17:47

Considermesometimes and antisupermum you need to raise your expectations if you think keying cars and stubbing out cigarettes on the walls is normal teen behaviour.

MrsMump · 06/11/2019 18:40

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 06/11/2019 18:43

Normal teenaged boys are as clumsy as hell and break stuff. If they remember they've broken it, they might even tell you they've done it.

However, they don't leave the broken bits on the floor/ bench/ wherever. They pick them up, cut themselves , dump the bits in a bin (which is where their parents find them and say "What happened to the Spode?")

There is a lot of barely repressed anger in this boy. I don't know what to suggest, but I think that inside him is a very unhappy child, and he is unable to address it, and is taking it our on OP.

Sad - but not OP's job if she doesn't want to take it on.

That choice is hers.

TARSCOUT · 06/11/2019 18:45

AlexaAmbidextra
No, not low standards, just think OP sounds like she doesn't want DSS around. Kid can't do right from wrong. Doesn't check pockets, can't use the good plates, whine whine whine

Prevegen4U · 06/11/2019 18:46

I read it all. He's not a typical teenager by any means and if something is not done soon he'll be inflicting himself on some poor girlfriend/wife one day. Mothers who believe this attitude is typical of teenagers are rising the selfish abusers of tomorrow.

I'd move out until he has left home.

chocolatesaltyballs22 · 06/11/2019 18:54

@tarscout who would want the little shit around?! Seriously flabbergasted by some of these comments.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/11/2019 19:00

He isn’t a “little shit” he is a child whose own parents don’t seem to have much time for.

A 16 year old may be the size of an adult and think they know everything but they are still a child and should be treated as such.

chocolatesaltyballs22 · 06/11/2019 19:01

No, he's a little shit. A selfish little shit, to be precise. Plenty of kids come from broken homes and turn out completely normal. It's not an excuse.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/11/2019 19:05

You would blame a 16 year old rather than looking at the behaviour of the adults responsible for him.

If he is a selfish little shit what does that make the parents who appear to have opted out of their parenting roles?

AFistfulofDolores1 · 06/11/2019 19:14

Plenty of kids come from broken homes and turn out completely normal. It's not an excuse.

No, I agree. But it is a reason - and a good one. To excuse his behaviour is not to do anything about it, but I think in this case it has to be supportive rather than punitive.

Vanhi · 06/11/2019 19:16

Part of the problem is that the OP is very long. If you skim, or just read the first couple of paragraphs, it does sound as if the OP is concerned about material things being damaged. It does sound like she's making a home for her and her DP that excludes her DSS, in part through his own anger at her homemaking.

It's if you read through further that you realise that this is a troubled young man and the OP is trying hard with someone whose behaviour goes beyond "normal" teenage stuff. To pick out the more serious behaviour:

"has broken a pane of glass in the lounge door (again, new) by throwing his controller at it. Also, this anger seriously distracts me from working, as he is SO noisy and angry when playing these games"

"there are sodding cigarette burns on the wall. So either he, or a ghost, is smoking in his room and then stubbing cigs out on the wall."

Laughed when the OP's car was keyed by one of his mates and leaves the car in a mess, when the OP gives him lifts as a favour because he cba to get out of bed on time.

Resold drinks that the OP had bought, at a profit, without telling her.

OP if you rewrote this with those more serious bits, put in the stuff about his mum abandoning and moved this to Relationships you'd get a higher proportion of useful:keyboard warrior posts.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 06/11/2019 19:16

I feel very sorry for this boy - I think he's horribly unhappy and is trying to build a shell around himself.

However it isn't the OP's responsibility. She can only do so much and is under huge emotional pressure here. It really needs his dad to step up to the mark here - if he gives his child some time and boundaries, then maybe it isn't too late to turn his behaviour round (maybe), but if not, OP won't be able to do it alone - and why should she?

I wouldn't let my own mental health be destroyed by someone else's child - and unfortunately at 16 he may not be amenable to change.

Mintjulia · 06/11/2019 19:18

His dad needs to step and deal with him.

If he doesn't, leave. Your DP can come and spend time at your flat. Life is too short.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 06/11/2019 19:21

He sounds like an absolute sod and his parents are doing nothing to stop this or to help him. This is more than normal teenage moodiness and lack of consideration. This is festering resentment. Honestly, I‘d move out.

Bunnybaubles · 06/11/2019 19:27

@AngelKate22

I'm your DP, my DP is you and my DD is your DSS. We have been through the exact same as you with my DD.

The things my DD (now 19) did from the age of 13 is frightening. Manipulating people for money, lying, deliberately breaking things in the house, instigating sexual relationships with strangers online (the first resulted in CID investigating the person she was sharing explicit pictures with) didnt stop her doing it again with some other man in America where she manipulated him into sending her his wages among other frightening things, she ruined every holiday abroad (had no choice but to take her due to no one wanting to watch her), she started smoking and smoking weed. Theres so much more deviousness and horror to what she put us all through, police, social services and police involved.

DP has threatened to walk many many times, said he couldnt take it anymore and his life was awful. He is a saint, he didnt walk but I wouldn't have blamed him one bit if he did.

Like you we tried all sorts of punishments. But they never worked because she didnt care if she got punished or not. We had so many sit down talks with her, so many chances, she was always treated fairly and wanted for nothing. Ironically her DB was the opposite to her.

In the end, she announced she was moving out. I dudnt even attempt to talk her out of it, she was 19, I was happy for her to leave. She wanted to move in with her friend who was older than her, married with a child and smoked weed. I could see the car crash coming before it even happened but decided it was best to let her fall on her arse.

And she did. Hard.

She is now home again, working full time, doing a degree through the open university and saving a deposit to buy a flat. She is like a different person.

We did chat one night, just me and her when we were on a night out together trying to rebuild our relationship. I did ask her why she did what she did.

She said she completely shut down emotionally after her relationship with her dad ended (he chose drugs over her and allowed his new wife to physically and emotionally abuse both her and my DS. It was very messy, courts involved, he became a stalker, panic alarms in the house. It was 2 years of hell).
She said if her dad could dump her and treat her that way she believed in her mind everyone would do it to her and she just hated everyone for it.

It is so sad, for the kids and the parents and an impossible situation. Sounds like your DSS could be lashing out going on what you told us about his DM. I do believe he needs to fall very hard on his arse too for him to realise the family he has loves him very much. I hope it happens sooner rather than later.