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To leave because of DSS

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AngelKate22 · 06/11/2019 12:50

I feel absolutely awful even writing this, but I'm just at the end of my tether. I have name changed for this.

I have been living with my partner and DSS for just over two years now. He is 16. We aren't married, but do own the house together. DSS lives with us full time apart from every other weekend.

My partner works long, full time hours plus commute time, and I work from home. So, naturally, a lot of things like housework and sorting things out fall to me. I don't mind that, I think it's fair that the partner who is home most picks up the slack. But possibly things like this wouldn't bother me if that was different. For background, DSS used to go to my partner's parents' house after school every day, and DP would pick him up after work, but with me being at home now that seems silly.

The odd thing is, DSS is actually a nice lad, and we generally get on when no incidents are happening. But it's just that there are things he does that drive me up the wall.

We are in the process of doing up the house, and he has zero respect for anything. This week, he's dyed a load of washing red and broken the new machine by putting a snapped biro (which leaked and then got stuck in the mechanism of the machine) in with his clothes (never checks pockets, so often have tissues all over the clean washing. I normally do the washing for all of us, but he didn't put any of his in the basket and demanded that he NEEDED these jeans by the next day, so I said I'm not waiting up for it to be done as it was 11pm already, so he did them with the rest of his clothes from his floor.. and ruined them all).

We've just done the kitchen up and bought a beautiful, matching set of dishes. We asked him to use the older set when making food for himself as he's a) clumsy and b) never brings things down from his bedroom. He ignores this (usually because he's ran out of plates and can't be bothered bringing them down and washing them), and we have already had to buy a new set because he's broken 2 large plates and a pasta bowl. This is because he doesn't take care, and throws things about. He will literally throw plates onto the side if we've asked him to pick them up and take them to the kitchen. But then when he's smashed things, he won't even tell us, he just leaves the pieces on the kitchen floor or wherever they smashed.

He also spilt a can of coke (which he shouldn't even have had) on our new sofa before he was going to bed one weekend, but instead of alerting me, put a cushion over it. So by the morning it had spread and completely ruined it and the cushion. The sofa had just cost us £800. I have used stain remover on it and it has helped a bit, but you can still see it.

He gets angry sometimes when gaming, and has broken a pane of glass in the lounge door (again, new) by throwing his controller at it. Also, this anger seriously distracts me from working, as he is SO noisy and angry when playing these games. He has also had to get new controllers a couple of times because his - for some strange reason - break faster than normal.

He walks into the house on the new living room carpet in his dirty shoes, which are dirty because he cuts across the grass at the front of the house instead of taking two extra steps to get to the driveway. So the new carpet is filthy, and the grass and flowerbed is trampled. We are supposed to take our shoes off in the hallway, but he always "forgets".

I leave my phone downstairs to charge at night, and if he goes to bed after me (I go quite early so often it's DSS and DP downstairs later on) DSS's phone will be plugged in in the morning as he's unplugged mine, so mine will be low, which I need for work. The issue with that is that he actually has a charger in his own bedroom, so it completely baffles me. We only have one plug in our bedroom as it's old fashioned and we haven't got round to doing that room yet, so we have a lamp plugged into it.

I have a hobby of doing jigsaw puzzles which I do on the kitchen table. He puts his college bag on top of it, and has - several times - dragged the bag off again later, dragging the puzzle with it, onto the floor. Like the smashed dishes, he leaves it. It's crossed my mind that he does this on purpose.

Then there's all the mess he leaves behind him wherever he goes. I either have to pick it up myself or nag him constantly. No amount of nagging changes it. I don't mind what his bedroom looks like, but I would like the family parts of the home to be neat and tidy, and he literally has to walk past a bin to get back upstairs to his bedroom.

He has a habit of going out after college, and having food out, when I've already cooked for the family. Or he'll say he's going out, then not going out, and then wanting food when he comes back in which I hadn't planned for. The number of times we've had to phone him (he never picks up) because we don't know where he is after college is ridiculous.

He also can't get himself up on time. He has to be out of the house by 7.30 to get the bus, and even when woken by one of us in plenty of time, he takes so much time getting ready that he misses it at least once a week. DP has already left for work by the time the bus is due, so that's then down to me to either let him be late and get another bus (I can't bring myself to do that because he gets into trouble) or drive the 30 mins there and 30 mins back that it takes to get him there on time. That then puts my work behind and has, in the past, got me into trouble with my clients as I missed a deadline.

He has started smoking. He is actually denying this, and we have never a) seen him smoke or b) found cigarettes/a lighter in his room. BUT he always smells of it and ... there are sodding cigarette burns on the wall. So either he, or a ghost, is smoking in his room and then stubbing cigs out on the wall. I mean, seriously? We've decorated that room and he's burning the wall? Other than the obvious damage which is seriously annoying, we really really don't want him smoking. There is so much education on it these days, and the dangers of it are just scary.

My car got keyed a few months ago, and next door happen to have CCTV on the front. They showed me the footage, and it was DSS's group of friends INCLUDING DSS walking home after college. One of his friends did it, and he laughed along with them. I was absolutely gutted as, like with everything else, I worked hard for that car, and like to keep it nice. He has also spilt drinks inside the car itself, keeps his muddy football boots on or putting them on the seat instead of putting them in the plastic bag I give him, leaves wrappers and empty bottles lying around. So my car is an absolute state as well, and I can honestly say that none of the mess in it, at all, is mine.

Money is a bit tight at the moment, and this is the incident that has made me write this post. My partner has been unwell recently, so I had bought him a pack of lucozade from Costco (because that's what you drink when you're ill haha) and this morning there were none in the fridge. I asked DSS whether he'd been drinking them and he said "not exactly" and laughed. I asked what that meant, and he said he'd been taking them to college and selling them for £1 each (they don't sell energy drinks there anymore). I was absolutely fuming at this, because we don't have much money ourselves (our own fault for doing up the house, but we can handle it so long as we budget) and yet he's taking things that I've paid for, and making a profit out of them? I was absolutely gobsmacked!

DP disciplines him by taking away his X Box, but this doesn't work because he will either play at a friend's house after college without asking for permission to go, and he has one at his mum's when he goes there anyway. DP also says he won't get any pocket money unless he tidies up and is respectful, but he doesn't care, as his mum and grandparents both give him money weekly, so what we give him makes no odds. He does no chores around the house, won't even wash a dish or tidy his own bedroom. There's nothing DP can do that will make a difference. We are both nagging constantly and I hate that, but what we can we do? We can't just leave things the way they are, surely. We're not asking him to be a slave for us, just to look after things and do the dishes on occasion, maybe.

Don't get me wrong, I love my partner to absolute bits, hence why I'm still here, but the problem is that he's not here a lot of the time. And that's not his fault. We both work so so hard to have a nice house and nice things, but it feels like DSS is just working against us all the time to spoil things and make things difficult.

It's so weird though because when things are good, we all get on well and have a laugh. I can't stress enough that I DON'T dislike DSS, and I honestly do my absolute hardest to make sure he has everything he needs, that he gets help when he needs it with college work, that we go on nice trips at weekends etc, but there are just all of these incidents, and damage being done, and problems. I know all families have problems, but what I've said is the tip of the iceberg. I can't say some things because they're just too obvious, but I can't live like this, wondering what's going to get wrecked next. I would totally expect this if he was a toddler, but he's not!

What the hell can I do? I am actually thinking about moving out (and hoping to goodness DP will still speak to me) until DSS goes to university. Would that be a horrific thing to do? I'm just not enjoying life at the moment, and I don't see any other way. DP is at the end of his tether with it as well, as he doesn't want to come home from work to find the house (sometimes literally) smashed up, or pay to replace things we've only just bought.. and I don't want to leave him to cope with this on his own.

I know people will say that I should have thought of that before going out with someone with a child, but I absolutely did! I was fully prepared to treat this young man like he was my own, and be either a mother figure, a sister, a friend - whatever worked. It's just that I would never have thought of this kind of thing from a 16yo that's all.

Please help me :(.

OP posts:
MitziK · 06/11/2019 13:24

Sounds like he might need to go back to going to his grandparents after college. and hopefully staying there.

The washing is the sort of thing that happens. He was at least trying to do them himself.

I'd get another charger and charge my phone upstairs, well away from him.

It would also be his problem to get to college on time, or not as the case may be.

It wouldn't surprise me if he opted to move in with his father because Mum was being sooooo unreasonable in expecting him to do homework, come in, not smash plates, controllers and windows in temper tantrums and bring his washing down in the first place - painting her as neglectful and abusive in the process.

Aposterhasnoname · 06/11/2019 13:26

You’re an absolute hero to put up with that. I’d make him pay for any damage, sell his x box or whatever if necessary. As for the car, I’d call the police, it’s unlikely they’d do much, but the mortification of his parents sending the police to his friends house would work wonders.

eddielizzard · 06/11/2019 13:26

This sounds horrific.

First thing that strikes me is that there are no consequences. If he doesn't get out of bed, then he must get into trouble with the college. NOT you get into trouble with your clients. Do you see? You're protecting him from so many consequences that others will take up with him. That's really no good at all, even though you're doing a nice thing for him. You're doing him no favours. And same with the car keying.

Make him clean up his mess. Why are you doing it?

The usual discipline methods aren't working because he gets around those.

And if you feel that you can't make him face consequences, you could tell him that his disrespect for you and your things makes you want to move out. That you love him but you don't like how he treats you and your home.

No change? Move out and hope that your relationship can survive.

zaffa · 06/11/2019 13:27

Don't move out OP. The problem here is discipline. At 16, he should know how to behave within the home, and quite frankly outside of it too. He needs very firm boundaries and discipline - what would you do if he was your child? How would you tackle this?

I have a DSS with some behavioural issues, although somewhat younger. He lives with us 50/50 and he is a complete nightmare to his mum. He is rude, spits at her, breaks things, is aggressive. None of those things happen here though, because we spelt out the consequences as soon as we heard about it. Turn off the WIFI, make him pay for the damage through the pocket money received from others if necessary, follow the suggestion of binning stuff left on the floor. Yes, it sounds incredibly harsh and to be fair, I wouldn't do it in our current situation because there is already discipline and expectations, but your DSS has none of these and so sadly you need to be incredibly tough now to undo what has been allowed to happen. Not forever. Just until he learns that there is an expectation of behaviour and consequences for not following through. Make sure there are also consequences for doing as expected though, link your treats out to good behaviour so he can see the reward of hard work and following rules.

But don't move out, unless you are sure you want to walk away. He is part of your family, because you chose to be with his dad, and he isn't extreme enough to cut off. He needs to be parented - and regardless of what the anti - stepmum brigade say at times on here - when you start a relationship with a man with children, you are taking on both the man and the children and are in some capacity a parent. They won't always behave how you want or agree with, and they won't always have the consequences you think are right, but when they live with you as part of your family then you treat them as such - for the good and the bad bits.

He sounds desperate for rules and boundaries to be honest - you, your DP, the DGP and probably even his mum need to agree and set those boundaries consistently.

Chamomileteaplease · 06/11/2019 13:28

I think others are right - his mother for whatever reason is disengaged, his dad is busy and you are, in his eyes just his stepmother.

Are you able to talk to the mother with regard to her giving him money? Her and the gran giving him money really reduces your power doesn't it?

Can your husband reduce his hours so that he can try to halt this slide into delinquency that his son seems to be heading into. The boy needs some more parenting, obviously.

I agree with others, you have to find a way to make him suffer consequences. Including the vandalism of your car.

But lastly and more importantly I would get the boy's dad to talk to him and listen to him to find out what is going on inside his head. He is pushing away the two people who are trying to look after him and that sounds to me like a very unhappy boy.

GhoulieBat · 06/11/2019 13:32

I don't think this is normal at all either! I have a teen who is a bit clumsy, sometimes spills drinks and leaves crockery in his room - that's all normal. But he cleans up spillages, and if I nag him to clear the stuff out of his room he will do it, and if he breaks something (which he only does accidentally) he's apologetic and tidies it up.

This boy sounds completely unable or unwilling to take responsibility, totally selfish and lazy, and/or may have MH problems or be acting out. I agree stop enabling him and there have to be consequences like no Internet until he'd cleared up his mess, making him pay for deliberate damage etc., and he probably also needs more parental attention in a positive way too.

But this is not your DC - yet it is your work space and his parents are barely around, so you've got a raw deal - you have to either parent him yourself or put up with this shit.

I'd seriously be selling the house, splitting the money and getting my own place. Your relationship could still continue with you having your own homes, if you both want that.

MonsteraCheeseplant · 06/11/2019 13:33

Fgs get a multiplug thing! I couldn't read the rest but sympathise, it sounds shite.

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 06/11/2019 13:33

Why did the police not get involved with keying the car?

Your partner sounds like a very absent father. He needs to step up and parent and there need to be consequences for his behaviours. no lifts. no money. no nothing.

KatharinaRosalie · 06/11/2019 13:34

Jesus, that's not an average teen! This is horrific. His dad needs to be a parent, but stop pandering yourself as well. Why do you care if he's late, he is openly rude, destroying your things on purpose, and you are damaging your career to be extra nice to him? Stop. He does not exactly appreciate it, does he?

Make him clean up any mess he makes.
Make him pay for everything he ruins - clearly he has plenty of cash.

mumwon · 06/11/2019 13:34

its not you that should leave - you tell dp that enough is enough - dss goes to live with his dm & change the locks

Sarahandco · 06/11/2019 13:35

You need to get his mum on board with the punishments so that she doesn't give him money.

Some if it is probably fairly normal re plates in bedroom, getting up late ect. However, keying your car is not ok and even if it was his mate and not him he needs to be punished and pay for the damage.

I think you should withhold pocket money to cover any unreasonable
accidents - but you will have to coordinate this with his mum to make it work.

Also could his mum have him a bit more often?

IamWaggingBrenda · 06/11/2019 13:35

For a start, your DP needs to step up and have a serious talk with him. As others have said, consequences for his actions. He sounds like a teen whose parents have not been parenting him. If your DP has always worked long hours, it may have a lot to do with it, as his ex probably got fed up with being the bad guy and let things slide. But,yes, #1, your DP has to stop delegating his job as a parent to you.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 06/11/2019 13:36

Got to agree that it sounds as though he seriously lacks proper discipline and consequences.

What is the state of play between your DP and the boy's mother and grandparents - can they work together to deal with this or would the mum and grandparents not do that?

He needs proper boundaries and, nice lad or not, he is treating you, your stuff and your home with total disdain.
That is not acceptable and your DP should have read him the riot act over the car-keying incident alone, never mind the rest. That's criminal damage that he oversaw and laughed along with!

He needs help, intervention and much stricter boundaries and consequences or things will never improve.

You moving out will cause resentment on your part, I'm sure , even though you will have short-term relief - but it won't achieve anything in terms of long-term change, because your partner seems unable to deal with this behaviour. The boy won't care that you've gone, it'll be just him and his Dad who doesn't discipline him properly.

Why can't he go to his mum's more often?

Drum2018 · 06/11/2019 13:36

He sounds like a very average teen to me.

Really? His behaviour is nowhere near average imo. I haven 2 teens and know their friends and none of them would behave like this. My 8 year old wouldn't leave a broken dish on the floor, never mind a 16 year old. @AngelKate22 he's being a petulant little brat. You and dp need to set some house rules - no food in bedrooms, give him a list of chores to take charge of, he has to work to pay for things he breaks etc. I'd take the games console away as punishment if he doesn't comply with the rules. It seems gaming is affecting his temper so it should go anyway. Have a word with dp and tell him you're not putting up with this if things don't change. Set a time frame for yourself to see if things can change and if they don't, then leave. Life is too short to be putting up with this crap and having a dp who isn't even there half the time to parent his own child. You should not be left dealing with dss while he's afraid to come home from work - tell him to man the fuck up and stand up to his brat of a son. Good suggestions above by @Spanglyprincess1

Mollymoo01 · 06/11/2019 13:37

Quite honestly nothing is going to change until he is parented and disciplined properly and quite honestly it doesn’t sound like your DP has done a good job so far so it’s pretty unlikely he is going to step up and discipline him now.

You are never going to be able to change anything as he isn’t your DS and will either play you off against his dad/mother/grand parents or just tell you he doesn’t have to do what you say.

Quite honestly he sounds like a horrible, thoughtless shit! But then he’s clearly never been taught to think of others so 🤷‍♀️

In your shoes I would leave, or at least make it very clear to DH that things need to change with DS’s behaviour and if it doesn’t you’re gone.

monkeymonkey2010 · 06/11/2019 13:37

Why isn't your DP taking HIS parenting responsibilities seriously?
All he's doing is the bare minimum and leaving you to do everything - his excuse being his 'work and commute'.
Who was parenting his child before you moved in?

I think your DP found a convenient cook, cleaner, housekeeper, childminder and general dogsbody when he got you to move in.

AnneKipanki · 06/11/2019 13:38

This is awful.
Make him pay for damages... even the car .
If he can't behave in the car he does not get in it .
Food . Maybe buy daily. He eats with you. No food in bedroom. No smoking in house . Any transgression has a price or a loss of something he values .
If he has designer shoes he likes to wear , confiscate them .
Either that or put the place up for sale, or talk to your partner.

pinkyredrose · 06/11/2019 13:39

sounds like a very average teen to me Hmm you must know some revolting teens then.

OP i would absolutely move out. Sell your half of the house and find somewhere on your own. No easy would i live with this disrespectful little twat.

Areyoufree · 06/11/2019 13:39

Sounds like he might need to go back to going to his grandparents after college.

Yes. It's an impossible situation - he's not your son, so it's far harder for you to discipline him, yet you are the one who is there most of the time.

For the most part, it sounds like relatively normal teenage stuff - albeit on the extreme end. The business with the car and the key is unacceptable though, and should be reported to the police, to be honest. They could be doing it to other cars.

NamechangeWhatFor · 06/11/2019 13:40

He needs to learn consequences and maybe counselling too, he's targeting the things he knows will upset you.

Waspnest · 06/11/2019 13:40

Sorry but I'd be grateful he wasn't my child and that I had no dc with your dh and leave, the car keying incident alone would be enough for me. He clearly has no respect for you. Who knows why the boy is how he is but honestly life is too short to put up with this sort of shit when you don't have to. Presumably without you in the house your dss would have to go back to his dm's?

pinkyredrose · 06/11/2019 13:40

Why does he live with you, has he always lived with your partner? I'd give him a month to shape up otherwise turf him out, let him treat someone else's house like shit.

smemorata · 06/11/2019 13:41

He doesn't sound like an average teen to me! I have a 15 year old and he would not get away with any of this. I agree with a PP that there are no consequences. It sounds like your partner has just opted out - this is not an option even if he isn't there as much as you. You need to decide on the rules together and stick to them. And yes, not taking him to college, he pays for any damage, he does chores.

GREATAUNT1 · 06/11/2019 13:41

Don’t move out Op. Pack his stuff & tell him he’s leaving.

DriftingLeaves · 06/11/2019 13:42

Can't you ship him back to his mother? Little shit.

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