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To leave because of DSS

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AngelKate22 · 06/11/2019 12:50

I feel absolutely awful even writing this, but I'm just at the end of my tether. I have name changed for this.

I have been living with my partner and DSS for just over two years now. He is 16. We aren't married, but do own the house together. DSS lives with us full time apart from every other weekend.

My partner works long, full time hours plus commute time, and I work from home. So, naturally, a lot of things like housework and sorting things out fall to me. I don't mind that, I think it's fair that the partner who is home most picks up the slack. But possibly things like this wouldn't bother me if that was different. For background, DSS used to go to my partner's parents' house after school every day, and DP would pick him up after work, but with me being at home now that seems silly.

The odd thing is, DSS is actually a nice lad, and we generally get on when no incidents are happening. But it's just that there are things he does that drive me up the wall.

We are in the process of doing up the house, and he has zero respect for anything. This week, he's dyed a load of washing red and broken the new machine by putting a snapped biro (which leaked and then got stuck in the mechanism of the machine) in with his clothes (never checks pockets, so often have tissues all over the clean washing. I normally do the washing for all of us, but he didn't put any of his in the basket and demanded that he NEEDED these jeans by the next day, so I said I'm not waiting up for it to be done as it was 11pm already, so he did them with the rest of his clothes from his floor.. and ruined them all).

We've just done the kitchen up and bought a beautiful, matching set of dishes. We asked him to use the older set when making food for himself as he's a) clumsy and b) never brings things down from his bedroom. He ignores this (usually because he's ran out of plates and can't be bothered bringing them down and washing them), and we have already had to buy a new set because he's broken 2 large plates and a pasta bowl. This is because he doesn't take care, and throws things about. He will literally throw plates onto the side if we've asked him to pick them up and take them to the kitchen. But then when he's smashed things, he won't even tell us, he just leaves the pieces on the kitchen floor or wherever they smashed.

He also spilt a can of coke (which he shouldn't even have had) on our new sofa before he was going to bed one weekend, but instead of alerting me, put a cushion over it. So by the morning it had spread and completely ruined it and the cushion. The sofa had just cost us £800. I have used stain remover on it and it has helped a bit, but you can still see it.

He gets angry sometimes when gaming, and has broken a pane of glass in the lounge door (again, new) by throwing his controller at it. Also, this anger seriously distracts me from working, as he is SO noisy and angry when playing these games. He has also had to get new controllers a couple of times because his - for some strange reason - break faster than normal.

He walks into the house on the new living room carpet in his dirty shoes, which are dirty because he cuts across the grass at the front of the house instead of taking two extra steps to get to the driveway. So the new carpet is filthy, and the grass and flowerbed is trampled. We are supposed to take our shoes off in the hallway, but he always "forgets".

I leave my phone downstairs to charge at night, and if he goes to bed after me (I go quite early so often it's DSS and DP downstairs later on) DSS's phone will be plugged in in the morning as he's unplugged mine, so mine will be low, which I need for work. The issue with that is that he actually has a charger in his own bedroom, so it completely baffles me. We only have one plug in our bedroom as it's old fashioned and we haven't got round to doing that room yet, so we have a lamp plugged into it.

I have a hobby of doing jigsaw puzzles which I do on the kitchen table. He puts his college bag on top of it, and has - several times - dragged the bag off again later, dragging the puzzle with it, onto the floor. Like the smashed dishes, he leaves it. It's crossed my mind that he does this on purpose.

Then there's all the mess he leaves behind him wherever he goes. I either have to pick it up myself or nag him constantly. No amount of nagging changes it. I don't mind what his bedroom looks like, but I would like the family parts of the home to be neat and tidy, and he literally has to walk past a bin to get back upstairs to his bedroom.

He has a habit of going out after college, and having food out, when I've already cooked for the family. Or he'll say he's going out, then not going out, and then wanting food when he comes back in which I hadn't planned for. The number of times we've had to phone him (he never picks up) because we don't know where he is after college is ridiculous.

He also can't get himself up on time. He has to be out of the house by 7.30 to get the bus, and even when woken by one of us in plenty of time, he takes so much time getting ready that he misses it at least once a week. DP has already left for work by the time the bus is due, so that's then down to me to either let him be late and get another bus (I can't bring myself to do that because he gets into trouble) or drive the 30 mins there and 30 mins back that it takes to get him there on time. That then puts my work behind and has, in the past, got me into trouble with my clients as I missed a deadline.

He has started smoking. He is actually denying this, and we have never a) seen him smoke or b) found cigarettes/a lighter in his room. BUT he always smells of it and ... there are sodding cigarette burns on the wall. So either he, or a ghost, is smoking in his room and then stubbing cigs out on the wall. I mean, seriously? We've decorated that room and he's burning the wall? Other than the obvious damage which is seriously annoying, we really really don't want him smoking. There is so much education on it these days, and the dangers of it are just scary.

My car got keyed a few months ago, and next door happen to have CCTV on the front. They showed me the footage, and it was DSS's group of friends INCLUDING DSS walking home after college. One of his friends did it, and he laughed along with them. I was absolutely gutted as, like with everything else, I worked hard for that car, and like to keep it nice. He has also spilt drinks inside the car itself, keeps his muddy football boots on or putting them on the seat instead of putting them in the plastic bag I give him, leaves wrappers and empty bottles lying around. So my car is an absolute state as well, and I can honestly say that none of the mess in it, at all, is mine.

Money is a bit tight at the moment, and this is the incident that has made me write this post. My partner has been unwell recently, so I had bought him a pack of lucozade from Costco (because that's what you drink when you're ill haha) and this morning there were none in the fridge. I asked DSS whether he'd been drinking them and he said "not exactly" and laughed. I asked what that meant, and he said he'd been taking them to college and selling them for £1 each (they don't sell energy drinks there anymore). I was absolutely fuming at this, because we don't have much money ourselves (our own fault for doing up the house, but we can handle it so long as we budget) and yet he's taking things that I've paid for, and making a profit out of them? I was absolutely gobsmacked!

DP disciplines him by taking away his X Box, but this doesn't work because he will either play at a friend's house after college without asking for permission to go, and he has one at his mum's when he goes there anyway. DP also says he won't get any pocket money unless he tidies up and is respectful, but he doesn't care, as his mum and grandparents both give him money weekly, so what we give him makes no odds. He does no chores around the house, won't even wash a dish or tidy his own bedroom. There's nothing DP can do that will make a difference. We are both nagging constantly and I hate that, but what we can we do? We can't just leave things the way they are, surely. We're not asking him to be a slave for us, just to look after things and do the dishes on occasion, maybe.

Don't get me wrong, I love my partner to absolute bits, hence why I'm still here, but the problem is that he's not here a lot of the time. And that's not his fault. We both work so so hard to have a nice house and nice things, but it feels like DSS is just working against us all the time to spoil things and make things difficult.

It's so weird though because when things are good, we all get on well and have a laugh. I can't stress enough that I DON'T dislike DSS, and I honestly do my absolute hardest to make sure he has everything he needs, that he gets help when he needs it with college work, that we go on nice trips at weekends etc, but there are just all of these incidents, and damage being done, and problems. I know all families have problems, but what I've said is the tip of the iceberg. I can't say some things because they're just too obvious, but I can't live like this, wondering what's going to get wrecked next. I would totally expect this if he was a toddler, but he's not!

What the hell can I do? I am actually thinking about moving out (and hoping to goodness DP will still speak to me) until DSS goes to university. Would that be a horrific thing to do? I'm just not enjoying life at the moment, and I don't see any other way. DP is at the end of his tether with it as well, as he doesn't want to come home from work to find the house (sometimes literally) smashed up, or pay to replace things we've only just bought.. and I don't want to leave him to cope with this on his own.

I know people will say that I should have thought of that before going out with someone with a child, but I absolutely did! I was fully prepared to treat this young man like he was my own, and be either a mother figure, a sister, a friend - whatever worked. It's just that I would never have thought of this kind of thing from a 16yo that's all.

Please help me :(.

OP posts:
Cuppachino · 06/11/2019 15:30

He sounds like a very average teen to me

No, no he doesn't. What the hell are some of you letting your teens get away with that this sounds 'average' to you?

I would leave OP if harsh discipline doesn't work. No pocket money, no wifi, no phone, no xbox.

TreePeepingWatcher · 06/11/2019 15:31

As a mother of two teenage boys I don't recognise any of this behaviour. They don't tread dirt through the house as they have learned to take their shoes off at the front door.

They have only occasionally broken a glass or plate probably one each in the 16 ad 13 years they have been alive. They clean up after themselves, are considerate, offer to make cups of tea without being asked, hoover, strip their beds every week and make them again.

In your case why on earth should you have to leave your home? He has somewhere else to go, maybe he can go there instead. Stop giving him lifts, stop waking him up for college, stop letting him not feel the consequences of his actions, he should have to clean the sofa cushion, clear up the broken plate from the floor. Unless he has to do that he will continue.

Re the car keying bastard, take the CCTV footage to his sixth form and see if they can identify the child on the camera. Like you say, it is easy if you know them.

You need to talk to your partner. This isn't typical teenage behaviour of clumsiness. This is deliberate destruction of what you value. Maybe he can go and live at his Mum's for a bit to see if he is the same there. I wonder if he is destructive in college. Thought not.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 06/11/2019 15:34

His behaviour is absoloutley unacceptable and seeing DP be such a disappointing parent would have me leaving him rather than the boy.

wildcherries · 06/11/2019 15:39

I'd leave. What was done after the car was damaged?

managedmis · 06/11/2019 15:40

I'd have been long gone.

Your problem is your partner - he needs to parent.

managedmis · 06/11/2019 15:41

I'd be getting the house sold, pronto. Live your life op, you don't need this shit

AryaStarkWolf · 06/11/2019 15:43

Nothing unusual in what you've written OP. My son is the same, and he's 13!

There is so much unusual in what she has written, jesus christ what are people putting up with in there own homes? Confused

Owlypants · 06/11/2019 15:47

Scare him. He's 16, tell him you're putting his name down on the housing list for your local council, report the keying incident to the police and if you really feel like you are at breaking point ask social work for some help.
My nephew was like your dss, he was out of control, my db and sil could not cope. Nephew was a complete nightmare to live with, he was known to the police but anytime they brought him home he saw it as something to be proud of.
Eventually db couldn't take anymore and got social work involved when nephew was 16, it took a while but it scared him enough to change his ways ways

ThatsMeInTheSpotlight · 06/11/2019 15:50

I think you need to prioritise the issues. You've written lots of problems but they're not all the same weight iyswim
The major issues are: his friend keying a car; stomping mud through the house; ruining the sofa; messing up your jigsaws; not getting up for college - they scream of disrespect.
It sounds as though no-one is parenting him and that makes it much more difficult for you to suddenly try to teach him everything that his parents should have been teaching him up until now. Can he go back to spending time at his GPs when your DP isn't home? This new arrangement doesn't seem to be working.

Ponoka7 · 06/11/2019 15:52

I'm probably go to get called dramatic but he sounds as though he has the same attitude as my SS, who went on to be a heroin addict.

You can bet that he is once with criminal activity and criminal damage elsewhere as well.

My DH tried a softly softly approach and it didn't work.

Beveren · 06/11/2019 15:54

I think he sounds like a fairly typical, thoughtless, selfish teenager from the 60% I did read.

@antisupermum, do you really think deliberately condoning and laughing about keying OP's care, spoiling her things, and stealing her stuff and selling it at a profit is typical teenager behaviour?

Beveren · 06/11/2019 15:54

car, not care.

Londonmummy66 · 06/11/2019 15:54

The thing with teenagers is that they have so many hormones etc slopping around in them that they effectively regress to the emotional state of a toddler. Your DSS is effectively demanding attention in the same way as a 2 year old - ie if I don't get attention by being good I'll get it by being naughty/throwing a tantrum. The best way to deal with a toddler who acts out in this way is to lovebomb them for any good behaviour, withdraw attention during a tantrum and to spell out consequences as calmly as possible and stick to them.

You also sound very houseproud - hence your DSS has not only found a good way to get your attention by messing up your nice stuff but also he may feel that you and his father value their nice new home more than they value him. I expect that when he breaks something you tell him that you/his father have worked hard to make the money to buy it. He probably already resents the long hours his father works rather than being there for him and sees the things you buy with that money as more important to you both than he is. He'll be getting a similar message from your DP doing lots of DIY etc around the house when he's not working rather than parenting his son.

Also, why isn't he allowed a coke? If there are lots of nice things in the house he can't have, from coke to crockery, it isn't suprising he saw his dad's stash of treats/fizzy drinks as something to take in revenge..

I think that your DP needs to sit down with him and agree a new modus operandi - if he can behave himself then he and his dad will go to do an activity he enjoys as a reward - look at Virgin experience days for some ideas. Your DP also needs to make suggestions for time that he and his son get some 1:1 time together. At the same time bad behaviour will have conseqences - and they need to be logical. So as he and his mates were involved in keying your car and he doesn't respect it, he won't be getting any lifts in it going forward. SO no collecting from football etc and if he doesn't get up on time to go to school, he will be late and suffer the consequences. If he breaks something he replaces it and if he can't afford it he has to sell something - ie break a window with your X box controller, x box is sold to repair the damage. All done very calmly and consistently - don't give him more than the absolute minimum attention for bad behaviour. He also needs to understand that being part of a family has responsibilities as well as benefits. If he wants his washing done, it is put in the laundry basket with all pockets emptied out, if he wants a meal he is home at meal time for it - otherwise he can fix himself something like beans on toast. Everyone should have some "treat" stuff - if he helps himself to something he should lose some of his.

I would also get your DH to speak to the pastoral team at college - he is clearly a messed up kid (and TBH he has good reason to be) and they probably have quite a bit of experience in dealing with teenagers with similar issues. Ask them to have a word with him and look at counselling etc - they may well have a counsellor he can talk to.

Beveren · 06/11/2019 15:55

If his mother wants to undermine you by giving him mother, I suggest you send him back to live with her full time.

Beveren · 06/11/2019 15:56

Arggh - giving him money, not mother!

Alwaysrainsonme · 06/11/2019 16:01

He would never set foot in my car again after behaving like that. Tell him no, and tell him why.

If he’s said he’s not going to be in for dinner, then there’s no dinner for him.

If he smashes something, then he pays for it.

Let him understand cause and effect.

antisupermum · 06/11/2019 16:02

@Beveren do you really think deliberately condoning and laughing about keying OP's care, spoiling her things, and stealing her stuff and selling it at a profit is typical teenager behaviour?

You clearly haven't read my subsequent posts where I state that the DSS is obviously extremely unsettled, but I do reiterate that I think this is typical "bad teenager" behaviour i.e. he is clearly screaming out for attention because he is getting next to no real parenting.

So, perhaps instead of rushing to question my opinions and judge me for not reading all of the post (which I have now done, btw), you could be a little less hypocritical & read all of my post(s) Hmm

Vanhi · 06/11/2019 16:04

I'm sorry I've only read the first page in this thread so sorry if any of this is repeated.

If you read the OP's updates, the mother abandoned her son and became addicted to drugs, so she's hardly likely to step up and parent more.

Raspberrytruffle · 06/11/2019 16:07

You have the patience of a saint op. Normally I open these threads expecting it to be step mum hates/jealous of step children but it's not you can see you love and care for him, personally I think you and step sons father have given him a wonderful life probs too much he comes across as a bit spoilt op but that's nobody fault we cant help but love our kids. I may be off the mark but some of the stuff that he does appears done to spite you? The rest is typical man boy shit my brother was like this up until he went away in the army at 30!

Coconutbug · 06/11/2019 16:07

I read most of the comments and some of his behaviour does seem like typical albiet difficult but normal teen behaviour.
My husbands father used to put a timer on the internet so it turned off at a certain time which curbed some of his behaviour.
I think tbh I was quite difficult at that age, just didn't care about anyone or anything but doing what I want and having a good time. Wasn't any reason for it, my mum gave up trying to stop me going out and staying out all hours of the night, I realise how horrible I was now but at the time I thought she was being so unreasonable!

At least he tried to do washing that's more than most people do. I use the trick with my husband that if it's not in the washing basket it doesn't get washed as was fed up of picking up off the floor and it wasn't until he ran out of pants he realised I was serious.

It is a very hard situation and you sound like a lovely person. I don't know if leaving is the right answer because it may end up making him feel more abandoned.

Sitting down having a good conversation and setting up boundaries about what is expected in the house might be a good option. E.g I'll do the washing if you bring it down for me or I'll cook food if you let us know you are going to be home otherwise it's toast/pasta packet or something.

Hopefully he'll grow up to be a bit more respectful bur it can take time.

FizzyGreenWater · 06/11/2019 16:08

After the keying thing - I'd go, yes.

Or rather, I would have a family meeting where you announce that sadly you're probably going to move out as you cannot live the way things are any more.

I wonder what kind of a shock that would give him.

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/11/2019 16:14

Or rather, I would have a family meeting where you announce that sadly you're probably going to move out as you cannot live the way things are any more.

Considering he has massive trauma and abandonment issues stemming form another significant woman leaving him, I'd say it would be traumatising and do the opposite of what you wanted.

The behaviour is completely unacceptable (at least the dangerous and malicious parts) and the behaviour needs to be addressed. But the trauma is real. Unfortunately the failure to deal with this happened a long time ago and addressing it now with useless parents and no boundaries is nigh on impossible. I'd suggest family counselling for everyone (mum and gparents included), strong, caring boundaries enforced by all, natural consequences (no lifts when he's late), look at the obvious things like diet and exercise. And let the smaller stuff go but DON'T let the bigger stuff go.

However, I actually think it's too little too late and for your own sanity, leave. It will fuck the poor kid up worse but I don't think the other adults involved are going to step up.

Branster · 06/11/2019 16:14

He is clearly doing all this because he does not respect you and your hard work. Unfortunately for him, he is also disrespecting his father’s work in the process.
You cannot do much yourself because he is your step son and I think he would either ignore you or be rude to you.
His anger issues are quite disturbing, he may well be angry because he despises the situation he’s in because his parents split up and his father(at least) is sharing his life with another woman. So he is taking it out on everything that’s got anything to do with you.
It would be interesting to find out if he behaves the same way when he stays with his mother.
Yes teenagers can be thoughtless and lazy but I do not know a single teenage boy (and I know quite a few) who would behave like his in his own home. Damaging property, making things dirty by accident and not try to clean up or tell the parents.
For a start don’t pick up after him, leave broken plates where he left them, dirty dishes outside dishwasher etc.
The washing machine accidents are just that, accidents. Hopefully he will learn from this and get better about doing the washing. I’m sure he’ll have ironing and cooking accidents once he has a go at those activities as well. But he’ll learn. You are very upset about the wash g incidents because of all the other stuff. On its own, the washing would be something you’d cope with but with all the other stuff it’s just a bit too much.
If at all possible, try and teach him these little jobs, he’d probably appreciate directions and you’d both be able to cope with a 3 minutes lesson on using the washing machine etc when you are not upset and he is in a better mood.
I think asking him to use the older plates than yours (as in yours and DH’s plates) is actually mean and would make him feel very excluded.
Set aside a set of disposable lates which he can take to his room as a compromise.
Teenagers can be a right pain at times and you really have to choose your battles and your time. However, being rude is totally unacceptable.
If you can bear it, try and go out with him on your way back home from pick into him up from grandparents to extend the time the two of you spend together (a quick dash to the supermarket where he can help you with packing and caring the bags, any odd errand you might have like gong to the post office anything at all where y can do something constructive together and he can feel useful and a bit valued, or even a quick coffee at Starbucks to spend time together).
Also he needs to feel invested in he house to appreciate it better, he should be he one deciding how his room is to be decorated, he should join on the trip to the decorating shop to see how much paint, carpet etc costs, he should help decorate it to understand it involves money and work. So perhaps stage a mini redecorating session on the cheap for his own room. Then gradually try and get him involved in helping around the house.
Talk to him about driving lessons, see how he feel about learning to drive, when he’s old enough, help him learn to drive and how to maintain a car so he understands cars don’t fall from the sky and don’t need any maintenance, teach him how to use the petroleum pump, pump up the tyres, clean he car, talk about different cars and how much they cost, associated expenses etc.
It is exhausting and I really feel for you. You sound like a very understanding person and I hope you’ll find the patience and time to try and gradually help DSS feel more included in your family life, I think the might be the problem.

Branster · 06/11/2019 16:15

I’m so, so sorry, I didn’t realise what an epic that was Blush

MachineBee · 06/11/2019 16:18

Your story (apart from the car) could have been my experience from my three eldest DSCs. And it’s soul destroying. I seriously contemplated leaving but had moved to another part of the country, changed jobs and made a new life for myself with my DH.

For a long time my own adult DDs kept saying it was just typical teenagers and I needed to relax - until one of them witnessed a lot of incidents and appalling attitude one Xmas. Now they are more supportive.

It’s never really been resolved other than they got older and went to uni/moved out. My DH has realised (too late) how lax his parenting has been and is trying to improve things. But it’s going to take a long time, if ever, before I can have an adult and half-decent relationship with them.

I still really love my DH and the only other saving grace for me is that his youngest is perfectly fine with me, respectful of house rules, courteous to me and utterly baffled by his siblings attitude.

OP - this is really a problem that your DP needs to address. You cannot sort it out. As PPs have said - no more lifts, report the car to police, claim on the insurance for your washing machine and sofa.

I would then take a step back from doing so much for him and just be your DPs partner rather than taking on parental duties.

Your DSS may be attention seeking and unable to articulate that he wants some one to one time with his Dad, especially as he works long hours. Might be worth considering if time for the two of them away from the house could be arranged.