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To leave because of DSS

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AngelKate22 · 06/11/2019 12:50

I feel absolutely awful even writing this, but I'm just at the end of my tether. I have name changed for this.

I have been living with my partner and DSS for just over two years now. He is 16. We aren't married, but do own the house together. DSS lives with us full time apart from every other weekend.

My partner works long, full time hours plus commute time, and I work from home. So, naturally, a lot of things like housework and sorting things out fall to me. I don't mind that, I think it's fair that the partner who is home most picks up the slack. But possibly things like this wouldn't bother me if that was different. For background, DSS used to go to my partner's parents' house after school every day, and DP would pick him up after work, but with me being at home now that seems silly.

The odd thing is, DSS is actually a nice lad, and we generally get on when no incidents are happening. But it's just that there are things he does that drive me up the wall.

We are in the process of doing up the house, and he has zero respect for anything. This week, he's dyed a load of washing red and broken the new machine by putting a snapped biro (which leaked and then got stuck in the mechanism of the machine) in with his clothes (never checks pockets, so often have tissues all over the clean washing. I normally do the washing for all of us, but he didn't put any of his in the basket and demanded that he NEEDED these jeans by the next day, so I said I'm not waiting up for it to be done as it was 11pm already, so he did them with the rest of his clothes from his floor.. and ruined them all).

We've just done the kitchen up and bought a beautiful, matching set of dishes. We asked him to use the older set when making food for himself as he's a) clumsy and b) never brings things down from his bedroom. He ignores this (usually because he's ran out of plates and can't be bothered bringing them down and washing them), and we have already had to buy a new set because he's broken 2 large plates and a pasta bowl. This is because he doesn't take care, and throws things about. He will literally throw plates onto the side if we've asked him to pick them up and take them to the kitchen. But then when he's smashed things, he won't even tell us, he just leaves the pieces on the kitchen floor or wherever they smashed.

He also spilt a can of coke (which he shouldn't even have had) on our new sofa before he was going to bed one weekend, but instead of alerting me, put a cushion over it. So by the morning it had spread and completely ruined it and the cushion. The sofa had just cost us £800. I have used stain remover on it and it has helped a bit, but you can still see it.

He gets angry sometimes when gaming, and has broken a pane of glass in the lounge door (again, new) by throwing his controller at it. Also, this anger seriously distracts me from working, as he is SO noisy and angry when playing these games. He has also had to get new controllers a couple of times because his - for some strange reason - break faster than normal.

He walks into the house on the new living room carpet in his dirty shoes, which are dirty because he cuts across the grass at the front of the house instead of taking two extra steps to get to the driveway. So the new carpet is filthy, and the grass and flowerbed is trampled. We are supposed to take our shoes off in the hallway, but he always "forgets".

I leave my phone downstairs to charge at night, and if he goes to bed after me (I go quite early so often it's DSS and DP downstairs later on) DSS's phone will be plugged in in the morning as he's unplugged mine, so mine will be low, which I need for work. The issue with that is that he actually has a charger in his own bedroom, so it completely baffles me. We only have one plug in our bedroom as it's old fashioned and we haven't got round to doing that room yet, so we have a lamp plugged into it.

I have a hobby of doing jigsaw puzzles which I do on the kitchen table. He puts his college bag on top of it, and has - several times - dragged the bag off again later, dragging the puzzle with it, onto the floor. Like the smashed dishes, he leaves it. It's crossed my mind that he does this on purpose.

Then there's all the mess he leaves behind him wherever he goes. I either have to pick it up myself or nag him constantly. No amount of nagging changes it. I don't mind what his bedroom looks like, but I would like the family parts of the home to be neat and tidy, and he literally has to walk past a bin to get back upstairs to his bedroom.

He has a habit of going out after college, and having food out, when I've already cooked for the family. Or he'll say he's going out, then not going out, and then wanting food when he comes back in which I hadn't planned for. The number of times we've had to phone him (he never picks up) because we don't know where he is after college is ridiculous.

He also can't get himself up on time. He has to be out of the house by 7.30 to get the bus, and even when woken by one of us in plenty of time, he takes so much time getting ready that he misses it at least once a week. DP has already left for work by the time the bus is due, so that's then down to me to either let him be late and get another bus (I can't bring myself to do that because he gets into trouble) or drive the 30 mins there and 30 mins back that it takes to get him there on time. That then puts my work behind and has, in the past, got me into trouble with my clients as I missed a deadline.

He has started smoking. He is actually denying this, and we have never a) seen him smoke or b) found cigarettes/a lighter in his room. BUT he always smells of it and ... there are sodding cigarette burns on the wall. So either he, or a ghost, is smoking in his room and then stubbing cigs out on the wall. I mean, seriously? We've decorated that room and he's burning the wall? Other than the obvious damage which is seriously annoying, we really really don't want him smoking. There is so much education on it these days, and the dangers of it are just scary.

My car got keyed a few months ago, and next door happen to have CCTV on the front. They showed me the footage, and it was DSS's group of friends INCLUDING DSS walking home after college. One of his friends did it, and he laughed along with them. I was absolutely gutted as, like with everything else, I worked hard for that car, and like to keep it nice. He has also spilt drinks inside the car itself, keeps his muddy football boots on or putting them on the seat instead of putting them in the plastic bag I give him, leaves wrappers and empty bottles lying around. So my car is an absolute state as well, and I can honestly say that none of the mess in it, at all, is mine.

Money is a bit tight at the moment, and this is the incident that has made me write this post. My partner has been unwell recently, so I had bought him a pack of lucozade from Costco (because that's what you drink when you're ill haha) and this morning there were none in the fridge. I asked DSS whether he'd been drinking them and he said "not exactly" and laughed. I asked what that meant, and he said he'd been taking them to college and selling them for £1 each (they don't sell energy drinks there anymore). I was absolutely fuming at this, because we don't have much money ourselves (our own fault for doing up the house, but we can handle it so long as we budget) and yet he's taking things that I've paid for, and making a profit out of them? I was absolutely gobsmacked!

DP disciplines him by taking away his X Box, but this doesn't work because he will either play at a friend's house after college without asking for permission to go, and he has one at his mum's when he goes there anyway. DP also says he won't get any pocket money unless he tidies up and is respectful, but he doesn't care, as his mum and grandparents both give him money weekly, so what we give him makes no odds. He does no chores around the house, won't even wash a dish or tidy his own bedroom. There's nothing DP can do that will make a difference. We are both nagging constantly and I hate that, but what we can we do? We can't just leave things the way they are, surely. We're not asking him to be a slave for us, just to look after things and do the dishes on occasion, maybe.

Don't get me wrong, I love my partner to absolute bits, hence why I'm still here, but the problem is that he's not here a lot of the time. And that's not his fault. We both work so so hard to have a nice house and nice things, but it feels like DSS is just working against us all the time to spoil things and make things difficult.

It's so weird though because when things are good, we all get on well and have a laugh. I can't stress enough that I DON'T dislike DSS, and I honestly do my absolute hardest to make sure he has everything he needs, that he gets help when he needs it with college work, that we go on nice trips at weekends etc, but there are just all of these incidents, and damage being done, and problems. I know all families have problems, but what I've said is the tip of the iceberg. I can't say some things because they're just too obvious, but I can't live like this, wondering what's going to get wrecked next. I would totally expect this if he was a toddler, but he's not!

What the hell can I do? I am actually thinking about moving out (and hoping to goodness DP will still speak to me) until DSS goes to university. Would that be a horrific thing to do? I'm just not enjoying life at the moment, and I don't see any other way. DP is at the end of his tether with it as well, as he doesn't want to come home from work to find the house (sometimes literally) smashed up, or pay to replace things we've only just bought.. and I don't want to leave him to cope with this on his own.

I know people will say that I should have thought of that before going out with someone with a child, but I absolutely did! I was fully prepared to treat this young man like he was my own, and be either a mother figure, a sister, a friend - whatever worked. It's just that I would never have thought of this kind of thing from a 16yo that's all.

Please help me :(.

OP posts:
MummyFever12 · 06/11/2019 16:20

He sounds like a right little dick. Even reading about it made me angry so God knows how you've coped this long.

Thatagain · 06/11/2019 16:24

No please do not think about leaving.
1 your dss may be pushing you to see how much you can deal with
2 his biological mother what happens there?
I have a Dss who is 24 year old now and your dss sounds quite similar as he usto be. Yes it's more then frustrating but please don't leave him he needs you and he will not tell you what an amazing job you are doing for him until he is settled in life. My dss tells me he loves me and calls me mum now all the pain he is causing you atm you will see the benefits from him with the love you show him. I know I am talking about the future although that's when you see the benefits sometimes when dealing with teenager's. He is pushing you. Be firm with him but also clarify that you will not be going anywhere so he will have to change his attitude and he will change if he feels secure and confident with his surroundings. How long have you known him? My dss is amazing I feel blessed that I am apart of his life and he had a very good education and went to uni and he has a very good and a good wage. Do not throw all your hard work away as it will get better for you op. Good luck.
PS I met my dss when he was 5 year's his mother did not have or want to have contact with him.

TatianaLarina · 06/11/2019 16:30

It’s perfectly fine to move out until he goes to uni. It may give your DP to consider his parenting.

I’ve got a 15 year old and if he behaved like this I’d lock him in the garage with no food.

hazell42 · 06/11/2019 16:30

@AryaStarkWolf
Well I feel very sorry for your home life then if these are normal teenage things to do.

If they did all that in a single day, I'd be pretty bloody pissed off. But if this was a catalogue of thoughtless, negligent and occasionally bad tempered things they had done over a number of weeks/months/years, it would would be about right.
Teenagers arent adults and most, not all, but most, of OPs original complaint demonstrates laziness and thoughtlessness not malice.
She even said that generally they get on fine.
Btw I never said that consequences shouldn't follow, just that this does not make him the Son of Sam.
And my home life is fab though admittedly that may be because 3 out of 4 of my kids have now left home. However they are all decent, working adults and it has been a while since they did anything this stupid.
3 down. 1 to go.

AskMeHow · 06/11/2019 16:31

Your DP needs to parent his son.

If you weren't there, would he work such long hours?

MachineBee · 06/11/2019 16:34

Sorry - I posted before I saw your update OP. Given the extra information it sounds very likely he’s acting up. More time with his Dad may help establish a relationship (there really isn’t one at the moment).

Also DP may have to consider changes with his job to give him more time with his son. It may be tough but worth it in the long run.

MitziK · 06/11/2019 16:36

Does that mean that, for over ten years, it's been just him and his Dad, then you came along, he has to move house and you're now (in his eyes) telling him your plates are too good for him, your settee is too good for him, etc, etc?

But at the same time, he's only had the experience of a doting grandmother and a Disney Mother at best as the women in his life, not one who would tell him what to do, etc?

I think he might see you as having pushed him out in some ways. And his mother might have influenced that as well.

TatianaLarina · 06/11/2019 16:36

Of course DP needs to parent but the boy is 16 and he hasn’t thus far.

OP would have to parent DP to make him parent DSS.

A lot of the parenting DP should be doing falls to OP due his workload. That won’t change.

Well it might - but only if she’s not there.

SchadenfiendeUnmortified · 06/11/2019 16:36

PLEASE get him to the GP.

Unfortunately Cor=urtney you can't "get" a 16 yo to the GP.

You can suggest he goes. If he refuses you can't pick him up and carry him there.

Belfield · 06/11/2019 16:42

Typical teenage behaviour of a teenager who's parents are not interested. Raising children is hard. working all the hours you can (the father) and only seeing him every second weekend(the mother) is not putting in near enough effort to raise a successful child.

IggyAce · 06/11/2019 16:45

Why does he live with you when his father works away? If it wasn’t for you he would be living with his mum or his father would have to have a different job so he was home.
I wouldn’t do anything for him and I would be kicking him and dp out do that the house doesn’t get ruined.
Your dss has been failed by both his parents and it’s time for them to do some parenting.

AryaStarkWolf · 06/11/2019 16:46

@hazell42 I mean, Ok, teenagers can be messy, lazy and thoughtless, no arguments there at all but smashing windows or breaking plates/glasses and just walking away and leaving that there, stubbing cigarettes out on the bedroom wall? Nah, never came across that over the years with my two and certainly not laughing along while a friend keyed my car.

AcrossthePond55 · 06/11/2019 16:47

I've raised two sons. Some of your DSS's behaviour is normal 16 yr old shit, some of it is not. The problem is that that part of it that is not is destructive to your property and extremely disrespectful to you. And you're getting zero back up from your DP. I do mean zero as the 'usual' punishments are never effective with purposefully destructive behaviour as (as you have pointed out) your DSS simply doesn't care. And it appears that your DP has thrown up his hands because the boy's mother and grandparents won't back him up.

At this point, I'd try and seek professional help for your whole family; you, DP, and DSS. The entire family dynamics are going to have to change. If DP won't agree to this, I'd be telling him that the house is going on the market and that you will be moving out. DSS is going to continue to devalue the house with his destructive behaviour so it's best to sell it now, before he does more damage.

As far as your future with DP, it's obvious to me that he doesn't care enough about it to put in the hard work and heartache it will take to work things through. Is this really what you want to deal with for the next 20, 30, 40 years of your life? Because if something isn't done about 'fixing' your DSS right now, he will be a source of heartache and trouble for years to come.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/11/2019 16:48

I agree with PP that there maybe an unaddressed SEN or similar too such as ADHD or dyspraxia. DS1 and his younger brother have dyslexia and so time keeping and organisation are challenging.

I have a 16 year old DS1 who is mostly lovely but still shows flashes of temper and will put down an empty wrapper and walk away oblivious. As I am his mother I am in a position to call him out on his behaviour but you are in a much less clear situation.

Your DSS sounds like he is on the more extreme end of normal teenage behaviour but I am not convinced it is all teenage angst. I would get your DH to speak to the college to see what think as they might have an SEN specialist there who could speak to him.

Marcipex · 06/11/2019 16:51

You begin by saying he’s a nice lad.
No, sorry, he’s an obnoxious spiteful selfish little dick.
He doesn’t give a damn about you.
It should be him who is leaving. He can live with his mother or his grandparents, as his father’s away so much anyway. Why doesn’t he?

Loosenisous · 06/11/2019 16:53

Hateful little prick.

Not your problem OP.

Life is too short to deal with the children others’ produced.

Move out, and sell the house.

It won’t get better.

AnneKipanki · 06/11/2019 16:53

I think I was a bit harsh with my previous posts.
You have not lived together all that long .

Some of the stuff may be normal.

Anyway you need to chat with your partner. He needs to chat with his son and you all need to then communicate. Everyone might have to "give " a little.
Family counselling?

cacklingmags · 06/11/2019 16:53

The boy sounds like an average teenager who could do with some boundaries. OP sounds a bit over fussy to me - best plates with a clumsy clot in the house, shoes off rule, new furniture ruined. Wait until he has grown up a bit before spending a lot of money on the place and tell his Dad it is his job to parent the boy. Go and work in the local library to get away from the annoyance. Leave if you must but it all seems very petty to me.

Whattodoabout · 06/11/2019 16:54

He sounds like a fairly average teenager to me OP, I know I was similar to this. Teenagers don’t tend to have much respect for ‘things’ especially if they have been raised in quite a privileged home which it sounds as though he has. He probably covered the drink spill on the sofa because he couldn’t be bothered getting told off. Teens can be fairly lazy and disrespectful, I think it’s a normal part of growing up. He won’t always be this way, especially when he starts working and earning his own cash thus buying his own things. It’s easy to disrespect things you haven’t had to work for.

It sounds tough but he should be leaving for uni in a couple of years so it’s whether you can wait it out or not really. Perhaps suggest he goes to his Mum’s more often if that’s an option or still goes to his GP’s house after school so you don’t have to deal with him so much. I think your DP needs to be stricter as does his Mum.

Drabarni · 06/11/2019 16:56

Your slack partner is the problem. The lad is a teen who needs parenting.
You are the mug Grin his father has chosen.
Why do you own a house with someone you aren't even married to.
Are you likely to leave the relationship with anything? He has a child.
Ignore those saying kick the 16 year old out, they either have babies and a lot to learn or are childfree.
I don't know any respectable parent who'd turn a teen out rather than parent.

Italiangreyhound · 06/11/2019 16:57

Sorry OP this sounds awful. I feel so sorry for you. I'd talk to your partner and come up with a joint strategy. I think he may need to get a job and pay for the car and the sofa. Sad

Italiangreyhound · 06/11/2019 16:58

Keying the car of your mum or step mum does not sound 'normal' to me.

krankykittykat · 06/11/2019 17:00

Why is he getting pocket money at 16? Why is he not earning his own money with part time work?

Drabarni · 06/11/2019 17:03

The only way you can move forward from this is all the adults stepping up, including his Dad.
The mum and granny need to know what he has done to your car and he should have to pay for repairs.
As for pocket money? He needs a job like most other teens.
He sounds very damaged from his broken home, has anyone ever had time for him?

MatildaTheCat · 06/11/2019 17:17

How complicated. One part of me thinks that actually one of my DS was not dissimilar to this, albeit perhaps not quite as bad. He matured, we helped him move out at the earliest opportunity and he’s lovely now. Still messy and disorganised but lovely. I would really struggle to live with him.

However, there is a huge back story for this lad. Abandonment, possible attachment issues, some risk, perhaps that his mother may have drank alcohol during pregnancy? Issues relating to timing, foreseeing difficulties, clumsiness? All very complex.

If you were to discuss this calmly with your DP and suggest that there may be more to this than teenage terrors might he agree to seek more assistance for him? This lad might well refuse counselling but might agree to looking into ways to help him self manage and move towards adulthood.

Definitely protect yourself from this chaos as much as possible. Moving out seems the last resort. At least consider couples counselling first.