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To leave because of DSS

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AngelKate22 · 06/11/2019 12:50

I feel absolutely awful even writing this, but I'm just at the end of my tether. I have name changed for this.

I have been living with my partner and DSS for just over two years now. He is 16. We aren't married, but do own the house together. DSS lives with us full time apart from every other weekend.

My partner works long, full time hours plus commute time, and I work from home. So, naturally, a lot of things like housework and sorting things out fall to me. I don't mind that, I think it's fair that the partner who is home most picks up the slack. But possibly things like this wouldn't bother me if that was different. For background, DSS used to go to my partner's parents' house after school every day, and DP would pick him up after work, but with me being at home now that seems silly.

The odd thing is, DSS is actually a nice lad, and we generally get on when no incidents are happening. But it's just that there are things he does that drive me up the wall.

We are in the process of doing up the house, and he has zero respect for anything. This week, he's dyed a load of washing red and broken the new machine by putting a snapped biro (which leaked and then got stuck in the mechanism of the machine) in with his clothes (never checks pockets, so often have tissues all over the clean washing. I normally do the washing for all of us, but he didn't put any of his in the basket and demanded that he NEEDED these jeans by the next day, so I said I'm not waiting up for it to be done as it was 11pm already, so he did them with the rest of his clothes from his floor.. and ruined them all).

We've just done the kitchen up and bought a beautiful, matching set of dishes. We asked him to use the older set when making food for himself as he's a) clumsy and b) never brings things down from his bedroom. He ignores this (usually because he's ran out of plates and can't be bothered bringing them down and washing them), and we have already had to buy a new set because he's broken 2 large plates and a pasta bowl. This is because he doesn't take care, and throws things about. He will literally throw plates onto the side if we've asked him to pick them up and take them to the kitchen. But then when he's smashed things, he won't even tell us, he just leaves the pieces on the kitchen floor or wherever they smashed.

He also spilt a can of coke (which he shouldn't even have had) on our new sofa before he was going to bed one weekend, but instead of alerting me, put a cushion over it. So by the morning it had spread and completely ruined it and the cushion. The sofa had just cost us £800. I have used stain remover on it and it has helped a bit, but you can still see it.

He gets angry sometimes when gaming, and has broken a pane of glass in the lounge door (again, new) by throwing his controller at it. Also, this anger seriously distracts me from working, as he is SO noisy and angry when playing these games. He has also had to get new controllers a couple of times because his - for some strange reason - break faster than normal.

He walks into the house on the new living room carpet in his dirty shoes, which are dirty because he cuts across the grass at the front of the house instead of taking two extra steps to get to the driveway. So the new carpet is filthy, and the grass and flowerbed is trampled. We are supposed to take our shoes off in the hallway, but he always "forgets".

I leave my phone downstairs to charge at night, and if he goes to bed after me (I go quite early so often it's DSS and DP downstairs later on) DSS's phone will be plugged in in the morning as he's unplugged mine, so mine will be low, which I need for work. The issue with that is that he actually has a charger in his own bedroom, so it completely baffles me. We only have one plug in our bedroom as it's old fashioned and we haven't got round to doing that room yet, so we have a lamp plugged into it.

I have a hobby of doing jigsaw puzzles which I do on the kitchen table. He puts his college bag on top of it, and has - several times - dragged the bag off again later, dragging the puzzle with it, onto the floor. Like the smashed dishes, he leaves it. It's crossed my mind that he does this on purpose.

Then there's all the mess he leaves behind him wherever he goes. I either have to pick it up myself or nag him constantly. No amount of nagging changes it. I don't mind what his bedroom looks like, but I would like the family parts of the home to be neat and tidy, and he literally has to walk past a bin to get back upstairs to his bedroom.

He has a habit of going out after college, and having food out, when I've already cooked for the family. Or he'll say he's going out, then not going out, and then wanting food when he comes back in which I hadn't planned for. The number of times we've had to phone him (he never picks up) because we don't know where he is after college is ridiculous.

He also can't get himself up on time. He has to be out of the house by 7.30 to get the bus, and even when woken by one of us in plenty of time, he takes so much time getting ready that he misses it at least once a week. DP has already left for work by the time the bus is due, so that's then down to me to either let him be late and get another bus (I can't bring myself to do that because he gets into trouble) or drive the 30 mins there and 30 mins back that it takes to get him there on time. That then puts my work behind and has, in the past, got me into trouble with my clients as I missed a deadline.

He has started smoking. He is actually denying this, and we have never a) seen him smoke or b) found cigarettes/a lighter in his room. BUT he always smells of it and ... there are sodding cigarette burns on the wall. So either he, or a ghost, is smoking in his room and then stubbing cigs out on the wall. I mean, seriously? We've decorated that room and he's burning the wall? Other than the obvious damage which is seriously annoying, we really really don't want him smoking. There is so much education on it these days, and the dangers of it are just scary.

My car got keyed a few months ago, and next door happen to have CCTV on the front. They showed me the footage, and it was DSS's group of friends INCLUDING DSS walking home after college. One of his friends did it, and he laughed along with them. I was absolutely gutted as, like with everything else, I worked hard for that car, and like to keep it nice. He has also spilt drinks inside the car itself, keeps his muddy football boots on or putting them on the seat instead of putting them in the plastic bag I give him, leaves wrappers and empty bottles lying around. So my car is an absolute state as well, and I can honestly say that none of the mess in it, at all, is mine.

Money is a bit tight at the moment, and this is the incident that has made me write this post. My partner has been unwell recently, so I had bought him a pack of lucozade from Costco (because that's what you drink when you're ill haha) and this morning there were none in the fridge. I asked DSS whether he'd been drinking them and he said "not exactly" and laughed. I asked what that meant, and he said he'd been taking them to college and selling them for £1 each (they don't sell energy drinks there anymore). I was absolutely fuming at this, because we don't have much money ourselves (our own fault for doing up the house, but we can handle it so long as we budget) and yet he's taking things that I've paid for, and making a profit out of them? I was absolutely gobsmacked!

DP disciplines him by taking away his X Box, but this doesn't work because he will either play at a friend's house after college without asking for permission to go, and he has one at his mum's when he goes there anyway. DP also says he won't get any pocket money unless he tidies up and is respectful, but he doesn't care, as his mum and grandparents both give him money weekly, so what we give him makes no odds. He does no chores around the house, won't even wash a dish or tidy his own bedroom. There's nothing DP can do that will make a difference. We are both nagging constantly and I hate that, but what we can we do? We can't just leave things the way they are, surely. We're not asking him to be a slave for us, just to look after things and do the dishes on occasion, maybe.

Don't get me wrong, I love my partner to absolute bits, hence why I'm still here, but the problem is that he's not here a lot of the time. And that's not his fault. We both work so so hard to have a nice house and nice things, but it feels like DSS is just working against us all the time to spoil things and make things difficult.

It's so weird though because when things are good, we all get on well and have a laugh. I can't stress enough that I DON'T dislike DSS, and I honestly do my absolute hardest to make sure he has everything he needs, that he gets help when he needs it with college work, that we go on nice trips at weekends etc, but there are just all of these incidents, and damage being done, and problems. I know all families have problems, but what I've said is the tip of the iceberg. I can't say some things because they're just too obvious, but I can't live like this, wondering what's going to get wrecked next. I would totally expect this if he was a toddler, but he's not!

What the hell can I do? I am actually thinking about moving out (and hoping to goodness DP will still speak to me) until DSS goes to university. Would that be a horrific thing to do? I'm just not enjoying life at the moment, and I don't see any other way. DP is at the end of his tether with it as well, as he doesn't want to come home from work to find the house (sometimes literally) smashed up, or pay to replace things we've only just bought.. and I don't want to leave him to cope with this on his own.

I know people will say that I should have thought of that before going out with someone with a child, but I absolutely did! I was fully prepared to treat this young man like he was my own, and be either a mother figure, a sister, a friend - whatever worked. It's just that I would never have thought of this kind of thing from a 16yo that's all.

Please help me :(.

OP posts:
Obviouslynotobvious · 07/11/2019 00:09

Please don't leave. Get a referral to CAMHS for family therapy to help him. If you haven't already, read up on attachment. Why love matters is a good one.

Emotionally, children who had two parents to begin with then lost one through trauma are likely to be much younger than their biological age. They may also cope with feelings of abandonment and terror that they will end up abandoned by the remaining parent by sadly sabotaging what they have. It's a form of unconscious coping, like disappointment insurance; I'm going to push you away so that I am in control of you leaving me, which I know you will eventually. (You being dad, you or both).

This challenging behaviour could be driven by feelings of extreme vulnerability and fear, that he cannot understand himself let alone communicate with you about.

I agree he needs lots more input, consistency and direction from his Dad. I suspect you are just caught in the fallout from his early life experiences here.

If you decide to leave because it has gone too far now please still suggest his Dad takes him to CAMHS for family therapy to help give him a better future. And get his dad to learn about insecure attachments.

Best of luck to you all.

ohtheholidays · 07/11/2019 00:42

For a start no more lifts for him,so he gets in trouble with college tough luck! It could do him some good.

Have you/your DP told him that your so worried about his behaviour that your considering talking to his college/mum/grandparents(anyone that he wouldn't want to lose face with)you don't have to have any plan to talk to any of them but the threat of it could be enough to sort his shitty behaviour out.

If your in when he's coming home stand at the frontdoor when you know he's due home and tell him he takes his shoes of before he comes in the house(a pain in the arse for you I know but he needs to learn)if he trys to winge and complain tell him he only has himself to blame!

Buy some paper or reusable plastic plates,bowls,cups for him to use,if he whines remind him of all of the crockery he's broken!

If he stabs cigarettes out on the walls,spills drinks and food on furniture and doesn't make you aware straight away remove some of his games,games console whatever he has and tell him your selling it to replace/repair/get professionaly cleaned!

It may sound harsh but he's left you no other choice,tell your DP your considering leaving because it's all got to much to bare and hopefully he'll be on board with some changes to sort out his sons behaviour.

WhenPushComesToShove · 07/11/2019 01:31

Whatever issues the little darling has, it's your house your rules. I agree with previous posters to stop all services you do for him and I'm afraid your OH needs to step up big time and put the little shit in his place not dance around him like a fucking snowflake

Selmababies · 07/11/2019 02:00

I've just read the whole thread, and these are some of my suggestions to consider:-
1)Have a family meeting with mum and grandparents and the two of you to address some of the problems, and see if you can come up with some solutions. At least, it may help everyone put on a more united front about withholding pocket monies etc. I wouldn't include DSS at this stage in the meeting. but would let him know it's happening.
2) Tell DSS you're concerned about his behaviours and lack of respect at home and at his grandparents home. Tell him you're arranging a meeting with the college to discuss your concerns with them. Also, that you will be seeking their help to identify the culprit in the keying of the car. The college may be able to better encourage DSS to attend some counselling. DSS may not want college to know about his very poor behaviour, so the mere threat of it may be enough for him to agree to go to some counselling and behave better.
Obviously, you and your partner need to be totally calm with DSS when discussing this course of action.
3) Instil firmer boundaries and consequences with DSS as other posters have advised.
4) Your partner does need to step up and be a more present parent, getting home earlier.
5) It strikes me that there are other alternatives apart from you being the only one to have to move out of the house. Could dp and DSS be the ones to move out? If they lived somewhere else that was very basic with no wifi etc. would it possibly make DSS more aware of missing the home comforts of your current home, and therefore be more willing to be more respectful to you and the home?
They could 'visit' you together regularly and this would enable you to assess any changes for the better. But for this to work, it would have to be seen as your home now, and that he didn't have any rights there at all - he'd be purely a visitor and not have access to 'his' room etc or helping himself to food etc.
The more I think about DSS visiting you at home, the more I realise that it could spectacularly backfire and serve no useful purpose at all... maybe maintain a relationship with dp and dss by seeing them at their new home and outside.
6) An alternative way of managing the next few years until DSS is old enough to leave home, would be to rent out your current home and for both you and DP to rent separate flats. You could (if you are generously still inclined to do it) still maintain a relationship and supportive role to DSS, if he wants you to. He could come to you after college a few nights a week to eat on condition that he totally behaved himself. At the slighest sign of any unacceptable behaviour, you'd just tell him bluntly that he needs to go back to his own home. You could still have a relationship with DP although you wouldn't be living together, and in a couple of years you could both move back to your current home, without DSS. Hopefully, he may be more respectful by then...
It's going to be a long haul whatever you decide to do.. It's not easy as I think DSS has a lot of unresolved issues but by 16 it isn't really very possible for you or his father to enforce he changes his behaviours, or seeks counselling etc. You can only make changes such as him or you moving out that will at least make things better for you. It will send a powerful message to DSS that there are consequences to his behaviours. It is very important though to let him know that neither of you are giving up on him, but just making neccessary changes to take the pressure off of all of you.
It would be his father's responsibility to help his son become more adult in their new home, that he helps with cooking and chores and does his own washing, gets himself up and to college etc. etc etc.
As appalling as Dss's behaviour is now, do try to stick with him throughout the next few years and maintain a relationship with him, even if you're not living with him. He's going to need all the support he can get really, but not at the expense of your well being. He may well change for the better as he grows into an adult.

Vanhi · 07/11/2019 06:49

Why do you think he hasn't had a good home life? Are fathers not good enough as full time parents?

My OH is a great full time dad. Any input from his DD's mother is minimal and tends to be disruptive so it's pretty much all on him. But the key difference here is that he is there for his child. He works part time, leaves after his child has gone to school and is back at the same time, or very shortly after. The DP in this scenario has opted out of parenting. Yes, men can be great parents - if they're there to parent. This one isn't.

Plus, however great the remaining parent is, you cannot completely avoid the negative impact of one parent leaving. That kind of rejection by a parent is heart breaking for children.

InkyToesies · 07/11/2019 07:23

Leave.

Verily1 · 07/11/2019 07:36

It’s an attachment disorder.

MonsteraCheeseplant · 07/11/2019 07:39

That's not your place or responsibility to attempt to repair

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/11/2019 07:56

If he doesn’t get up he’s outside when you leave for work. In his jammys or dressed.

At 16 he is likely to be bigger and stronger than OP - I doubt this would be physically possible.

He’s had you move in and be nice. He sees a shiny new life being constructed around him....but he can’t allow himself to believe it is for real. He can’t afford to care. Too much to lose if he gets abandoned again.

I think Blouse is spot on here. Internally he is filled with self-loathing and is afraid that OP will see what he is "really" like and abandon him, too. This is a defence mechanism.

However, it isn't the OP's responsibility to risk her own health and happiness to reassure him. Unless he accepts professional help, his behaviour is likely to become more and more extreme until he forces a reaction Then he can reassure himself "I knew she didn't care - it was all an act. They're all the same."

He's desperately unhappy and lonely, but feels safer that way because letting domino in emotionally is too threatening to him.

However, he'll destroy everyone around him unless he receives help. And parental attention - not money - CARE AND ATTENTION.

Poor boy - and poor, poor OP. I couldn't cope with this. She has tried harder than I would have done.

AnneKipanki · 07/11/2019 08:01

@AngelKate22

Such a lot to read .

Can you stay ?

Will he get help ?

Will you as a family get help ?

It will be a long haul .

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 07/11/2019 08:17

There have been a few insightful posts on here that have made me change my view, along with the follow-up knowledge that his mother abandoned him at an early age and is still unable to successfully parent him because of her own problems.

I think bunnybaubles DD's example is a very good place to start with your DSS. And somewhere further up another poster posted similar to Blouseandskirt, that he's doing this to push you, to see how much you'll take before YOU leave him too, and fulfil his internal belief that he's not worth staying for.

It isn't your responsibility to stay, it really isn't - only stay if you can manage it. But I think it would help to understand that this isn't just normal teen shit, or even just bolshy teen lack of respect - it's a very hurt child hitting out because he can't believe that he's worthy of your love or care.

That doesn't mean that you should cave in to his bad behaviours, far from it - consistent consequences for his actions still need to be put in place, and you do not need to prostrate yourself before him to let him wipe his feet on you at all.

But if you stay, try to get at least his Dad and him to go to family therapy - there's a lot of damage there and it won't resolve by itself. Chances are he will take to drugs or alcohol as a form of self-medication, to take away the pain of "being him", which of course turns into a downward cycle of self-loathing and self-fulfilling prophecies too. Again, this is not your responsibility if you do not choose, or feel able, to take it on - but his Dad needs to do something.

Good luck Thanks

BlouseAndSkirt · 07/11/2019 08:54

OP: obviouslynotoviously has articulated what I was trying to say very well, and I think Schadenfreude has accurately predicted the potential next steps.

Your DP IS working hard...to provide all the nice new things. Maybe his hard work is misplaced.

How this goes forward depends on how seriously your DP is prepared to get to the root of all this.

I’m not criticising, by the way, until all this started why would he have an inkling that anything was going wrong?

CAMHS, and be prepared to pay privately for family therapy if their lists are too long.

I do wish you strength and good luck, OP. As others have said, it isn’t your responsibility to fix.

You could always move out and tell DP and Ds that you want them to have time together to support each other.

ReeRi · 07/11/2019 08:59

I think you need a very frank discussion with your DP and come to some agreement whether that is that you move out or he sets some ground rules for you stepson

ReeRi · 07/11/2019 09:01

And I’m wondering what the consequences were of him keying your car??

AnneKipanki · 07/11/2019 09:43

The DSS did NOT key the car.

cantpick · 07/11/2019 09:50

I would move out op. There is no chance I'd continue to live with him damaging my property.

ChuckleBuckles · 07/11/2019 10:47

Have a family meeting with mum and grandparents and the two of you to address some of the problems, and see if you can come up with some solutions

How long would it take for OP to be reminded that actually she is just the girlfriend and none of this is her business, but she can continue to pay for it, thanks.

This is the problem with all these suggestions and ideas being offered here, while they are coming from parents who have experience of this and are insightful and well meaning, the solutions being offered and any action must be led by this young man's parents, and neither of them are stepping up to do that, the OP has no power here really, no matter how well intentioned, patient, caring or understanding she is, it has to come from the parents as they are the people who's attention, approval and love this boy is seeking.

This is not a teenager problem, it is an absent parent problem and are they really going to step up, when they haven't yet and this lad is nearly an adult?

nolongersurprised · 07/11/2019 11:11

Unless your DP steps up and addresses the problem I would leave.

I’ve watched similar shit play out with my brothers as young adults and my stepmother. They both moved in with my dad and stepmother (at different times) whilst struggling with transient mental health issues. More ‘failure to launch’ than severe crises though. My mother was their primary carer as children.

When they stayed my stepmother did ALL the work - talked to them, cooked for them, arranged counsellors, nurtured them yet the relationship they craved and valued was the one they had with my dad.

Later down the track, long after they’d moved out, in the midst of further family dramas in which they were awful, my step mum challenged some of their disrespectful and verbally abusive behaviour they basically told her to fuck off and went NC after my dad died. They were happy to take the love and support she offered and all of the physical care but they had no appreciation of the effort she’d taken to look after them. My sister and I still have a great relationship with her and now I don’t think she cares too much about what happened with my brothers but all of the respect and consideration only flowed one way. When they were living with her, she would have said she had a great, easy relationship with them as well.

BlackAudi · 07/11/2019 11:51

@KindnessCrusader Hmm

ScreamingLadySutch · 07/11/2019 11:51

@Leighhalfpennysthigh

  • being the OW is HIGHLY relevant. People who have never been cheated on, had their family destroyed because of two adult's selfishness, cannot imagine what it is like for children to sit and swallow the reality that the person who is the reason they have to sit and watch their mother cry, their whole safety taken away and then are forced to accept this stranger in their house as a mother substitute; need to STFU, they have NO idea.

The trauma and damage done by the ABUSE of infidelity needs to stop being minimised. It is a huge deal.

Now I have got that off my chest, it doesn't sound as though @AngelKate22 is an OW. But boy are you resented.

I think you need to sit your DP down and read this thread together. Dad needs to wake up that this is a problem. This is not normal behaviour.

If you do not discipline this boy now and apply consequences, he is going to get into big trouble with society (firings, police, prosecution, court) who will.

Why are you frightened of him? Why did you not SERIOUSLY confront his lying over the keying of the car? Why did you not ask him about his moral compass over the fact that he would cover for a relative stranger over his own family? He is not in a good peer group and he is choosing them.

Why did you not escalate this? You cannot allow children to win like this. You make life literally unbearable for them, until they accept the consequence. Like telling him you will find the identity, there will be notices at the college "Who is this person £250 for information" stating the offence and SERIOUSLY shit them up? He wouldn't like that at all.

No more lifts, no more replacing stuff, no more cooking meals if he misses them, make him pay, wifi off, xbox gone up to and including locks on doors.

It is our job to require selfish narcissistic adolescents to show respect and consideration for others. That is what parenting is about. How else are they supposed to acquire it? Time to get tough, united and act as a team, you two.

I would look into boot camp, an army course of wild course in the holiday where men teach boys how to act like men. Dad needs to step up.

ScreamingLadySutch · 07/11/2019 11:58

PS: discipline (consequences) IS care and attention. They are not applied with shame. But they are also non-negotiable. They get applied calmly, kindly, respectfully and inexorably.

What discipline does, is provide structure and stability. This way up. In this structure the confused child can start negotiating the world.

It is a great shame when discipline got to be confused with abuse. Calm kind discipline takes a lot of attention and effort and it is love. Discipline means the adult being constant, bearing the discomfort for both, whilst the child internalises the message. That is what discipline really is - providing external scaffolding until the child internalises those structures. We see narcissistic parents avoiding discipline because it 'makes them' feel too bad.

KindnessCrusader · 07/11/2019 12:02

@DontBiteTheBoobThatFeedsYou No, it's never ok-hence why we don't need to know how new and expensive everything is 🤷‍♀️

AngelKate22 · 07/11/2019 12:17

@KindnessCrusader I don't know why it matters that I said that's how much things cost. We bought a house, and took out a slightly larger mortgage so we could do the work needed for the house - that's all. I think that's quite normal for people to do, isn't it? We're not rolling in it, the opposite if anything, and I'm not showing off. Pretty much anyone who's just bought a house would have bought some things to kit it out. It's just that, in my mind at least, it makes it worse because we're spending our money on things (the mortgage - which isn't paid yet - obviously) and THEN they're getting ruined. I think it matters more because I feel I have to work so hard for everything we've got, and then it doesn't matter, because it's ruined anyway. Sorry that my mention of money has ruined the thread for you. That wasn't really the main focus, but thanks for your helpful input nonetheless..


For whoever's talking about it being difficult for DSS because I was the other woman .. the one thing I hate about MN is the assumption that goes on. I am NOT the OW. DSS's mum walked out when he was a baby, and my partner had one other serious relationship between then and now, which was over for a year before we even met. Chill out and stick to the facts!


Thanks to everyone else who has been helpful. I spoke to my partner last night and he has admitted that he's scared of him, and so am I. BUT he is going to have a chat to him tonight, and talk about real consequences for things that have been happening. I honestly think the people who mentioned attachment issues are right. I think he does everything he can to push people away, as he assumes they will abandon him at some point anyway. I don't want to be the next person to abandon him, but I feel I might still be more use from a distance. It was never my intent to cut contact, for those who mentioned that.

OP posts:
SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/11/2019 12:41

CAMHS, and be prepared to pay privately for family therapy if their lists are too long.

I agree - look on it as an investment in all of your futures.

OP - I think you're doing an amazing job, but it isn't working because this boy is too broken inside.

In many ways, being in contact with his mother may be making things worse - you don't know what she or her parents are saying to him, and even if she is lovely and not bad-mouthing your or your DP, the contact may be a constant reminder of her abandonment. I honestly don't know what can be done about this.

I can totally understand you both being frightened of this boy. You love him but his rage is obviously uncontrollable and must be both physically and emotionally terrifying. You don't want him to walk out without somewhere safe to go - and he doesn't have that; you are trying to protect him but he refuses to let you; he is too big and aggressive to physically compel to go to college, clear up after himself etc - short of changing the locks and taking out a restraining order there is little you can physically do.

I'm glad you've had the opportunity to speak to your partner and that he agrees that he needs to be more involved. This whole thing must be heartbreaking for both of you. I hope that you all manage to come to a workable solution.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/11/2019 12:43

Someone suggested "boot camp". If OP is in the UK, as far as I know we don't have them here, and apart from anything they are not trying to "break" this boy - they are trying to mend him.