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To leave because of DSS

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AngelKate22 · 06/11/2019 12:50

I feel absolutely awful even writing this, but I'm just at the end of my tether. I have name changed for this.

I have been living with my partner and DSS for just over two years now. He is 16. We aren't married, but do own the house together. DSS lives with us full time apart from every other weekend.

My partner works long, full time hours plus commute time, and I work from home. So, naturally, a lot of things like housework and sorting things out fall to me. I don't mind that, I think it's fair that the partner who is home most picks up the slack. But possibly things like this wouldn't bother me if that was different. For background, DSS used to go to my partner's parents' house after school every day, and DP would pick him up after work, but with me being at home now that seems silly.

The odd thing is, DSS is actually a nice lad, and we generally get on when no incidents are happening. But it's just that there are things he does that drive me up the wall.

We are in the process of doing up the house, and he has zero respect for anything. This week, he's dyed a load of washing red and broken the new machine by putting a snapped biro (which leaked and then got stuck in the mechanism of the machine) in with his clothes (never checks pockets, so often have tissues all over the clean washing. I normally do the washing for all of us, but he didn't put any of his in the basket and demanded that he NEEDED these jeans by the next day, so I said I'm not waiting up for it to be done as it was 11pm already, so he did them with the rest of his clothes from his floor.. and ruined them all).

We've just done the kitchen up and bought a beautiful, matching set of dishes. We asked him to use the older set when making food for himself as he's a) clumsy and b) never brings things down from his bedroom. He ignores this (usually because he's ran out of plates and can't be bothered bringing them down and washing them), and we have already had to buy a new set because he's broken 2 large plates and a pasta bowl. This is because he doesn't take care, and throws things about. He will literally throw plates onto the side if we've asked him to pick them up and take them to the kitchen. But then when he's smashed things, he won't even tell us, he just leaves the pieces on the kitchen floor or wherever they smashed.

He also spilt a can of coke (which he shouldn't even have had) on our new sofa before he was going to bed one weekend, but instead of alerting me, put a cushion over it. So by the morning it had spread and completely ruined it and the cushion. The sofa had just cost us £800. I have used stain remover on it and it has helped a bit, but you can still see it.

He gets angry sometimes when gaming, and has broken a pane of glass in the lounge door (again, new) by throwing his controller at it. Also, this anger seriously distracts me from working, as he is SO noisy and angry when playing these games. He has also had to get new controllers a couple of times because his - for some strange reason - break faster than normal.

He walks into the house on the new living room carpet in his dirty shoes, which are dirty because he cuts across the grass at the front of the house instead of taking two extra steps to get to the driveway. So the new carpet is filthy, and the grass and flowerbed is trampled. We are supposed to take our shoes off in the hallway, but he always "forgets".

I leave my phone downstairs to charge at night, and if he goes to bed after me (I go quite early so often it's DSS and DP downstairs later on) DSS's phone will be plugged in in the morning as he's unplugged mine, so mine will be low, which I need for work. The issue with that is that he actually has a charger in his own bedroom, so it completely baffles me. We only have one plug in our bedroom as it's old fashioned and we haven't got round to doing that room yet, so we have a lamp plugged into it.

I have a hobby of doing jigsaw puzzles which I do on the kitchen table. He puts his college bag on top of it, and has - several times - dragged the bag off again later, dragging the puzzle with it, onto the floor. Like the smashed dishes, he leaves it. It's crossed my mind that he does this on purpose.

Then there's all the mess he leaves behind him wherever he goes. I either have to pick it up myself or nag him constantly. No amount of nagging changes it. I don't mind what his bedroom looks like, but I would like the family parts of the home to be neat and tidy, and he literally has to walk past a bin to get back upstairs to his bedroom.

He has a habit of going out after college, and having food out, when I've already cooked for the family. Or he'll say he's going out, then not going out, and then wanting food when he comes back in which I hadn't planned for. The number of times we've had to phone him (he never picks up) because we don't know where he is after college is ridiculous.

He also can't get himself up on time. He has to be out of the house by 7.30 to get the bus, and even when woken by one of us in plenty of time, he takes so much time getting ready that he misses it at least once a week. DP has already left for work by the time the bus is due, so that's then down to me to either let him be late and get another bus (I can't bring myself to do that because he gets into trouble) or drive the 30 mins there and 30 mins back that it takes to get him there on time. That then puts my work behind and has, in the past, got me into trouble with my clients as I missed a deadline.

He has started smoking. He is actually denying this, and we have never a) seen him smoke or b) found cigarettes/a lighter in his room. BUT he always smells of it and ... there are sodding cigarette burns on the wall. So either he, or a ghost, is smoking in his room and then stubbing cigs out on the wall. I mean, seriously? We've decorated that room and he's burning the wall? Other than the obvious damage which is seriously annoying, we really really don't want him smoking. There is so much education on it these days, and the dangers of it are just scary.

My car got keyed a few months ago, and next door happen to have CCTV on the front. They showed me the footage, and it was DSS's group of friends INCLUDING DSS walking home after college. One of his friends did it, and he laughed along with them. I was absolutely gutted as, like with everything else, I worked hard for that car, and like to keep it nice. He has also spilt drinks inside the car itself, keeps his muddy football boots on or putting them on the seat instead of putting them in the plastic bag I give him, leaves wrappers and empty bottles lying around. So my car is an absolute state as well, and I can honestly say that none of the mess in it, at all, is mine.

Money is a bit tight at the moment, and this is the incident that has made me write this post. My partner has been unwell recently, so I had bought him a pack of lucozade from Costco (because that's what you drink when you're ill haha) and this morning there were none in the fridge. I asked DSS whether he'd been drinking them and he said "not exactly" and laughed. I asked what that meant, and he said he'd been taking them to college and selling them for £1 each (they don't sell energy drinks there anymore). I was absolutely fuming at this, because we don't have much money ourselves (our own fault for doing up the house, but we can handle it so long as we budget) and yet he's taking things that I've paid for, and making a profit out of them? I was absolutely gobsmacked!

DP disciplines him by taking away his X Box, but this doesn't work because he will either play at a friend's house after college without asking for permission to go, and he has one at his mum's when he goes there anyway. DP also says he won't get any pocket money unless he tidies up and is respectful, but he doesn't care, as his mum and grandparents both give him money weekly, so what we give him makes no odds. He does no chores around the house, won't even wash a dish or tidy his own bedroom. There's nothing DP can do that will make a difference. We are both nagging constantly and I hate that, but what we can we do? We can't just leave things the way they are, surely. We're not asking him to be a slave for us, just to look after things and do the dishes on occasion, maybe.

Don't get me wrong, I love my partner to absolute bits, hence why I'm still here, but the problem is that he's not here a lot of the time. And that's not his fault. We both work so so hard to have a nice house and nice things, but it feels like DSS is just working against us all the time to spoil things and make things difficult.

It's so weird though because when things are good, we all get on well and have a laugh. I can't stress enough that I DON'T dislike DSS, and I honestly do my absolute hardest to make sure he has everything he needs, that he gets help when he needs it with college work, that we go on nice trips at weekends etc, but there are just all of these incidents, and damage being done, and problems. I know all families have problems, but what I've said is the tip of the iceberg. I can't say some things because they're just too obvious, but I can't live like this, wondering what's going to get wrecked next. I would totally expect this if he was a toddler, but he's not!

What the hell can I do? I am actually thinking about moving out (and hoping to goodness DP will still speak to me) until DSS goes to university. Would that be a horrific thing to do? I'm just not enjoying life at the moment, and I don't see any other way. DP is at the end of his tether with it as well, as he doesn't want to come home from work to find the house (sometimes literally) smashed up, or pay to replace things we've only just bought.. and I don't want to leave him to cope with this on his own.

I know people will say that I should have thought of that before going out with someone with a child, but I absolutely did! I was fully prepared to treat this young man like he was my own, and be either a mother figure, a sister, a friend - whatever worked. It's just that I would never have thought of this kind of thing from a 16yo that's all.

Please help me :(.

OP posts:
starfishmummy · 06/11/2019 14:23

I agree with others - a lot of this sounds just like typical teenage behaviour, and I dont see from your long list that there are any consequences?

SchadenfiendeUnmortified · 06/11/2019 14:23

That is one angry, aggressive, resentful young man you have there.

For whatever reason he is taking out his anger on you and your DP (but mainly on you - damaging your property, leaving your car filthy etc - I sus[ect that your partner is just collateral damage because ehe lives there.

For a start, I'd stop getting him out of bed and giving him lifts to school etc.

If you still have the CCTV footage from your neighbour, I would contact the parents of the boy who vandalised your car and get the cost of repair from them. If you get no joy, then go to the police. Tell your SS you are going to do this every single time he or his mates do something like this.

If he doesn't eat at mealtimes, he doesn't eat.

Don't do his washing - send it to his mother. If he does any himself, then if he damages the machine he pays for it.

His behaviour is far more that normal teenage arsiness - this is targeted spite and aggression - and you and your partner will end up splitting if this goes on - which may be what he wants.

Have you suggested that it might be better if he went to live with his mother, or his grandparents, as they are so keen to indulge him? They may be encouraging him if there is bad feeling between your DP and his ex.

SorryDidISayThatOutLoud · 06/11/2019 14:23

I’m afraid your DSS does not like you. Why would his friends choose your car on your drive to be the one they damage? Because they know how he feels about you.
You do most of the house stuff because you work from home. So he knows all this crap he’s pulling is causing you a problem.
You and your DP need to be tougher. I would sit down with your DP and him and detail stuff like you have in your post. Then say it’s over. It stops now. If he does one more single thing he is back to live with his mother. Stick to it.

Annasgirl · 06/11/2019 14:24

Whew, OP this is not normal teen behaviour. Reading your update it probably stems from abandonment by his mum and the issues she had. I'm not sure how you resolve this. I've been involved with teens like this and sometimes, no matter how people try, it does not end well.

Hopefully someone might have more clearcut advice, but perhaps he is just not a nice person and there is nothing you or your DP can do to change it. How you get him to behave or pull his weight I don't know - I would move out but I am not as kind as some people.

QuizzlyBear · 06/11/2019 14:25

I started reading expecting to think that it's typical teenage boy crap (I have two myself and it's not pretty) but no, I'm afraid I think it's vindictive.

For whatever reason he's resentful or spiteful specifically towards you. A pp suggested family therapy and if you can stomach it, I'd agree. 16 is a tough age and it could just be that he has feelings that he can't express in a healthy way and it's making him act out like a spoilt toddler.

If that's not working though, I'd leave until he's 18. Discuss with your DH though, there may be a middle ground...

ukgift2016 · 06/11/2019 14:26

I would have personally have 'lost it' when SS saw his friend keyed your car and HE laughed.

You are enabling this behaviour by staying. You can make things better for yourself by refusing to give SS lifts etc but that will not solve the problem.

SS relationship with his biological mother had a much bigger impact on his life than any of you have realised.

He is 16. Two years away from being an adult. If you think there is some magical cure, there isn't. He may not even go to university. You should be having ultimatum talks with your partner.

Any criminal damage he causes, such as broken windows etc you should phone the police.

HigherFurtherFasterBaby · 06/11/2019 14:28

@Supersimkin2 What an awful comment, his mother is a drug addict, hence small amount of contact, Jesus wept I am so sick of the comments from posters recently about kids with split up parents, as if it’s the worst thing that could possibly happen to a child.

OP - you can’t make him engage with anything he doesn’t want to.

You can leave. Frankly this isn’t your problem to solve.

Out of curiosity, what was DSS like with previous partners?

AngelKate22 · 06/11/2019 14:29

Sorry I didn't comment on the keying. He was asked about it, and he said he hadn't seen his friend do it, and he was laughing at something one of them had said. There is every chance that this was true, and I have no way whatsoever of disproving it, it's just that given everything else that has happened I suspected he knew full well.

We did go to the police, but we didn't have a name, as DSS insisted that he "didn't know" the boy's name and it wasn't someone he normally hangs round it. He wasn't one who was at high school with him, he's only started appearing since college, so we don't know his name or parents either.

I did a bit of digging on social media but didn't get very far. There's only so much you can do with a CCTV image. It's not bad recognising people you know, but different trying to identify from it.. if that makes sense.

I'm also absolutely going to stop cooking for him if he's not home for dinner as well.

This thread has made me realise that, in trying to help and be a sort of mother figure that he's never had, I've actually unintentionally turned myself into a bit of a doormat!

OP posts:
dreichwinter · 06/11/2019 14:29

He sounds like he's a mix of careless , disrespectful and occasionally malicious tbh.

I thought this reading through.
But he has dealt with a fair amount in his life and obviously hasn't managed it that well.
It is going to be hard for his dad to try and successfully enforce boundaries and consequences if he hasn't managed it up to now.
It is also going to hard to get ds to accept the therapeutic support that might well be useful.
Given his mother abandoned him it wouldn't be surprising if he had issues with a newish step mother ( I'm not sure how long you have been in his life?)
Trying to manage this is a major undertaking with no guarantee of short or medium term success.
I think I would prefer to live alone.

Ledkr · 06/11/2019 14:31

I'd be gone. My teenage dd can be a selfish twta too and does many of the things you say and I feel like leaving too.
However she wouldn't do the more serious things and if her or her mates damaged my car I'd call the police.
He sounds as if he has no respect whatsoever and why would he as he has no consequences for his behaviour.

Hopex3 · 06/11/2019 14:32

so initially reading it I started thinking typical teen, being a bit careless and thoughtless and will grow out of it until I got to the keying the car part and selling the drinks at college. that is taking the piss and a complete lack of respect. I'd of never treated my step dad like that (and we did have some arguments I must say!) but i would never of allowed someone else to damage his property and laugh about it - if anything I would of been absolutely furious. the smoking, oversleeping, being messy and clumsy etc. I cant comment on as my brother did this and myself (excluding the smoking in my room - the fear of being caught far outweighed the want/need to do this! my brother wasn't as worried and did occasionally out of his window) but the car keying incident in itself is an issue as is the taking drinks and I think things being smashed and being left - that's actually pretty dangerous in itself. I wouldn't leave DP but would certainly have an honest and Frank conversation about how its affecting you and how you feel about it. sounds like his father needs to be more strict x

CrotchetyQuaver · 06/11/2019 14:33

It sounds like you're dealing with a very angry young man here. His father needs to step up more regarding the parenting as this is a car crash waiting to happen. Maybe some sort of therapy might help but what do I know? With his back story no wonder he's difficult Sad
I wouldn't be putting up with this and I think I'd be leaving as the boy is wilfully disrespecting you by deliberately trashing your things. Well I don't buy the "I forgot" line at any rate. I don't know what else to suggest other than trying to get to the root of the anger before it's too late. I feel for all of you, it must be awful to live with this.

user1471449295 · 06/11/2019 14:35

Not much advice OP but I wanted to say what a kind and tolerant person you are. DSS is taking the piss, and your partner REALLY needs to step up and do something. Is he able to stay at grandparents, his mothers? It’s not fair that you are forced to live like this

dreichwinter · 06/11/2019 14:35

OP the problem with being his mother figure is that you set yourself up to receive all of the anger and hurt that he may have towards his birth mother and potentially women/mothers in general.
He isn't going to automatically see them as safe or reliable people.
And if you show you are safe and reliable then he is left trying to manage why his mother wasn't, why someone if offering the things that he should have been given by his mother.
If any of this is applicable you can see why therapeutic support could be useful.
But it can be hard to persuade 16 year old boys to engage with the idea.

Hidingtonothing · 06/11/2019 14:37

What you're doing isn't working for anyone, including DSS because no one is teaching him not to behave like a disrespectful little shit. Some of what's been advised might seem harsh, especially when that's obviously not usually in your nature, but it's absolutely what's needed here before DSS goes any further down this path.

Treating him with respect and expecting him to do the same for you just isn't happening OP so you need to change tack. It's glaringly obvious that this kid bears no consequences for his actions which is teaching him precisely nothing, you and his dad are actually letting him down by not allowing him to feel the consequences of the things he does, even though you think you're protecting/helping him.

Parenting teens is hard and I wouldn't blame you if you walked away instead, but if you want to fix this you have to put rules and punishments in place and actually enforce them.

hazell42 · 06/11/2019 14:38

Very little of that sounds exceptional to me.
Very very normal, moody teenager with 'no respect for other peoples things'
Haven't you heard that phrase a billion times?
You are not obliged to put up with it, of course, but your partner is. You can leave a partner, you can leave a step child, but your children are non-negotiable
Your choices are:
Leave
Wait for him to grow up
What you cant do is change him.

recrudescence · 06/11/2019 14:39

The extra detail in your recent posts only confirms to me that you should leave.

Aquilla · 06/11/2019 14:40

My first thought was a multiplug with another charger plugged in.

user1473878824 · 06/11/2019 14:42

@hazell42 It's normal behaviour to smash windows, have huge rages, stub fags out on a bedroom wall, key a car, smash plates and leave them on the floor?

"What you can't do is change him" Well then he will very quickly find himself in a lot of trouble as an adult.

DontBiteTheBoobThatFeedsYou · 06/11/2019 14:42

Buying more chargers and not doing his dinner isn't going to stop him being an arsehole.

user1471590586 · 06/11/2019 14:43

Who pays for his mobile phone contract? I wonder whether you could threaten to cancel it or reduce it so he has no data as a punishment. Change the wifi password so he can't play online games at home. He won't like not being able to contact friends. What about clothing? A lot of teenagers are into branded clothes. Can you sell some of his things to pay for damage, or refuse to buy him new things?

happywifi99 · 06/11/2019 14:43

I'm so sorry you're going through this Flowers
But honestly I think you need to be harsher.
No more lifts
No more cooking if he's said he won't be there
If he's getting pocket money he can pay for new clothes if he ruined them
He can pay for cleaning/new sofa
Bin stuff he's left on the floor
He can buy new plates

Stop catering to his bad behaviour. Some of this does sound like teenage carelessness but a fair amount of it sounds malicious

Courtney555 · 06/11/2019 14:44

PLEASE get him to the GP.

My 11 year old DS is like this, and after years of "is he autistic?" because that's the only phrase that every seems to get thrown around, he's been diagnosed with ADHD.

He leaves food around, hidden to rot. He stains sofas. He won't flush the toilet. He is clumsy and careless which always results in things breaking. He takes all of my food (by that I mean I'm pregnant and I can only manage certain things) so whilst he is bought all the food he can possibly want or eat, he takes mine as some kind of forbidden fruit. He loses things. Takes and hides things. Kicks doors open and breaks them. Does not respect our belongings or any of his own. Throws things. Angers. Holes appear weekly in his clothes.

ADHD is not a get out clause. Sometimes, he's just being a little pre-teen shite. Most of the time though, it's because of a very real condition that means he doesn't genuinely recognise he shouldn't do something, even though he's been told 1000 times before. He can't control his impulses. He physically can't.

So much of what you wrote, I can envisage DS doing, or he has done.

It's shit. Honestly, it's really shit. It's a horrible condition that's an uphill struggle every day. But for all it drives me and DH to despair sometimes, just take a moment to imagine how it must be to be the child that can't do anything about it.

He's liked by his peers, he's intelligent. He can be very funny, he's a tremendous actor and performer. He has moments where the sun shines through and he is oh so slowly progressing. He's not a a bad child, he just can't stop what is at face value, "bad behaviour."

When you understand what you're dealing with, as opposed to getting mad at what you presume is deliberate lack of respect, personal to you, you change your whole perspective.

I urge you and DP to get him assessed.

AryaStarkWolf · 06/11/2019 14:44

"What you can't do is change him" Well then he will very quickly find himself in a lot of trouble as an adult.

I know right? wtf is wrong with these people. They seriously think that smashing up the house is "just a teenager" and he shouldn't have to change?

DontBiteTheBoobThatFeedsYou · 06/11/2019 14:44

What you can't do is change him

Err yes you fucking can.

It's a parents JOB to teach children to have respect for others and things that don't belong to them!

My teen is currently grounded with no phone because he showed disrespect to school property.
His friend involved, didn't. His friend is an arsehole.