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To leave because of DSS

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AngelKate22 · 06/11/2019 12:50

I feel absolutely awful even writing this, but I'm just at the end of my tether. I have name changed for this.

I have been living with my partner and DSS for just over two years now. He is 16. We aren't married, but do own the house together. DSS lives with us full time apart from every other weekend.

My partner works long, full time hours plus commute time, and I work from home. So, naturally, a lot of things like housework and sorting things out fall to me. I don't mind that, I think it's fair that the partner who is home most picks up the slack. But possibly things like this wouldn't bother me if that was different. For background, DSS used to go to my partner's parents' house after school every day, and DP would pick him up after work, but with me being at home now that seems silly.

The odd thing is, DSS is actually a nice lad, and we generally get on when no incidents are happening. But it's just that there are things he does that drive me up the wall.

We are in the process of doing up the house, and he has zero respect for anything. This week, he's dyed a load of washing red and broken the new machine by putting a snapped biro (which leaked and then got stuck in the mechanism of the machine) in with his clothes (never checks pockets, so often have tissues all over the clean washing. I normally do the washing for all of us, but he didn't put any of his in the basket and demanded that he NEEDED these jeans by the next day, so I said I'm not waiting up for it to be done as it was 11pm already, so he did them with the rest of his clothes from his floor.. and ruined them all).

We've just done the kitchen up and bought a beautiful, matching set of dishes. We asked him to use the older set when making food for himself as he's a) clumsy and b) never brings things down from his bedroom. He ignores this (usually because he's ran out of plates and can't be bothered bringing them down and washing them), and we have already had to buy a new set because he's broken 2 large plates and a pasta bowl. This is because he doesn't take care, and throws things about. He will literally throw plates onto the side if we've asked him to pick them up and take them to the kitchen. But then when he's smashed things, he won't even tell us, he just leaves the pieces on the kitchen floor or wherever they smashed.

He also spilt a can of coke (which he shouldn't even have had) on our new sofa before he was going to bed one weekend, but instead of alerting me, put a cushion over it. So by the morning it had spread and completely ruined it and the cushion. The sofa had just cost us £800. I have used stain remover on it and it has helped a bit, but you can still see it.

He gets angry sometimes when gaming, and has broken a pane of glass in the lounge door (again, new) by throwing his controller at it. Also, this anger seriously distracts me from working, as he is SO noisy and angry when playing these games. He has also had to get new controllers a couple of times because his - for some strange reason - break faster than normal.

He walks into the house on the new living room carpet in his dirty shoes, which are dirty because he cuts across the grass at the front of the house instead of taking two extra steps to get to the driveway. So the new carpet is filthy, and the grass and flowerbed is trampled. We are supposed to take our shoes off in the hallway, but he always "forgets".

I leave my phone downstairs to charge at night, and if he goes to bed after me (I go quite early so often it's DSS and DP downstairs later on) DSS's phone will be plugged in in the morning as he's unplugged mine, so mine will be low, which I need for work. The issue with that is that he actually has a charger in his own bedroom, so it completely baffles me. We only have one plug in our bedroom as it's old fashioned and we haven't got round to doing that room yet, so we have a lamp plugged into it.

I have a hobby of doing jigsaw puzzles which I do on the kitchen table. He puts his college bag on top of it, and has - several times - dragged the bag off again later, dragging the puzzle with it, onto the floor. Like the smashed dishes, he leaves it. It's crossed my mind that he does this on purpose.

Then there's all the mess he leaves behind him wherever he goes. I either have to pick it up myself or nag him constantly. No amount of nagging changes it. I don't mind what his bedroom looks like, but I would like the family parts of the home to be neat and tidy, and he literally has to walk past a bin to get back upstairs to his bedroom.

He has a habit of going out after college, and having food out, when I've already cooked for the family. Or he'll say he's going out, then not going out, and then wanting food when he comes back in which I hadn't planned for. The number of times we've had to phone him (he never picks up) because we don't know where he is after college is ridiculous.

He also can't get himself up on time. He has to be out of the house by 7.30 to get the bus, and even when woken by one of us in plenty of time, he takes so much time getting ready that he misses it at least once a week. DP has already left for work by the time the bus is due, so that's then down to me to either let him be late and get another bus (I can't bring myself to do that because he gets into trouble) or drive the 30 mins there and 30 mins back that it takes to get him there on time. That then puts my work behind and has, in the past, got me into trouble with my clients as I missed a deadline.

He has started smoking. He is actually denying this, and we have never a) seen him smoke or b) found cigarettes/a lighter in his room. BUT he always smells of it and ... there are sodding cigarette burns on the wall. So either he, or a ghost, is smoking in his room and then stubbing cigs out on the wall. I mean, seriously? We've decorated that room and he's burning the wall? Other than the obvious damage which is seriously annoying, we really really don't want him smoking. There is so much education on it these days, and the dangers of it are just scary.

My car got keyed a few months ago, and next door happen to have CCTV on the front. They showed me the footage, and it was DSS's group of friends INCLUDING DSS walking home after college. One of his friends did it, and he laughed along with them. I was absolutely gutted as, like with everything else, I worked hard for that car, and like to keep it nice. He has also spilt drinks inside the car itself, keeps his muddy football boots on or putting them on the seat instead of putting them in the plastic bag I give him, leaves wrappers and empty bottles lying around. So my car is an absolute state as well, and I can honestly say that none of the mess in it, at all, is mine.

Money is a bit tight at the moment, and this is the incident that has made me write this post. My partner has been unwell recently, so I had bought him a pack of lucozade from Costco (because that's what you drink when you're ill haha) and this morning there were none in the fridge. I asked DSS whether he'd been drinking them and he said "not exactly" and laughed. I asked what that meant, and he said he'd been taking them to college and selling them for £1 each (they don't sell energy drinks there anymore). I was absolutely fuming at this, because we don't have much money ourselves (our own fault for doing up the house, but we can handle it so long as we budget) and yet he's taking things that I've paid for, and making a profit out of them? I was absolutely gobsmacked!

DP disciplines him by taking away his X Box, but this doesn't work because he will either play at a friend's house after college without asking for permission to go, and he has one at his mum's when he goes there anyway. DP also says he won't get any pocket money unless he tidies up and is respectful, but he doesn't care, as his mum and grandparents both give him money weekly, so what we give him makes no odds. He does no chores around the house, won't even wash a dish or tidy his own bedroom. There's nothing DP can do that will make a difference. We are both nagging constantly and I hate that, but what we can we do? We can't just leave things the way they are, surely. We're not asking him to be a slave for us, just to look after things and do the dishes on occasion, maybe.

Don't get me wrong, I love my partner to absolute bits, hence why I'm still here, but the problem is that he's not here a lot of the time. And that's not his fault. We both work so so hard to have a nice house and nice things, but it feels like DSS is just working against us all the time to spoil things and make things difficult.

It's so weird though because when things are good, we all get on well and have a laugh. I can't stress enough that I DON'T dislike DSS, and I honestly do my absolute hardest to make sure he has everything he needs, that he gets help when he needs it with college work, that we go on nice trips at weekends etc, but there are just all of these incidents, and damage being done, and problems. I know all families have problems, but what I've said is the tip of the iceberg. I can't say some things because they're just too obvious, but I can't live like this, wondering what's going to get wrecked next. I would totally expect this if he was a toddler, but he's not!

What the hell can I do? I am actually thinking about moving out (and hoping to goodness DP will still speak to me) until DSS goes to university. Would that be a horrific thing to do? I'm just not enjoying life at the moment, and I don't see any other way. DP is at the end of his tether with it as well, as he doesn't want to come home from work to find the house (sometimes literally) smashed up, or pay to replace things we've only just bought.. and I don't want to leave him to cope with this on his own.

I know people will say that I should have thought of that before going out with someone with a child, but I absolutely did! I was fully prepared to treat this young man like he was my own, and be either a mother figure, a sister, a friend - whatever worked. It's just that I would never have thought of this kind of thing from a 16yo that's all.

Please help me :(.

OP posts:
OMGshefoundmeout · 06/11/2019 14:02

Another one who says this boy needs some proper parenting. I didn’t have SC only my own D.C. but they knew from the start of secondary school that it was their own responsibility to get up on time for school. No way would me or DH have let our own jobs suffer to drive them in. Nor would I have kept cooking for them if they didn’t have the manners to let me know where they were.

If taking the console away doesn’t curb his behaviour your DH should try another sanction until he finds the one that works. If he damages or steals stuff he should be responsible for repairing/replacing it.

I agree you should be reporting the keying to the police.

He sounds like an absolute little shit (although I am sure it isn’t all down to inate badness) and if his parents don’t get him on the right lines soon he will get worse and worse.

billy1966 · 06/11/2019 14:03

He's definitely not a normal teenager, I have several of them.

What he is, is feral.

💐

ChileConCarne · 06/11/2019 14:06

Tbh to me he sounds like a typical hapless and selfish teenager who, if he was your son, would get away with it without you batting an eyelid. I imagine he feels you don’t like him, which is so often the problem with blended families. Asking him to use different crockery like a second class citizen and freaking out that he’s spilled a drink, gives the impression you’re highly strung. It would drive me mad too, but I think if you’ve chosen to be with his dad you need to just get on with it until he’s 18.

saraclara · 06/11/2019 14:08

@ChileConCarne, I somehow think you might not have read the entire OP. This isn't really about crockery

Ferretyone · 06/11/2019 14:09

@AngelKate22

This is so sad but your underlying kindness shows through. Flowers

I feel that the problem is that DP reacts but possibly in an unhelpful way. I feel an underlying "need" to "punish" the behaviour. Moving out would be the last stage. It is often suggested - with side issues of how the house is "owned" - but is in reality a dreadful step even if possible. You can take practical steps such as removing any precious things from DSS sphere. I think that the real issue is that DP must take more time to deal with DSS and speak to him about your expectations at a time when there is no anger.

I do not agree with the idea of letting things alone so that he is late for school and so on. The effect is worse than the cause.

recrudescence · 06/11/2019 14:10

This boy sounds like a complete arse. I’m voting leave - life’s too short.

midnightmisssuki · 06/11/2019 14:11

Jesus. I would have left ages ago.

LagunaBubbles · 06/11/2019 14:11

You say he's a "nice lad", seriously none of what you describe makes him this. He sounds nasty and has no respect. You shouldn't be running him anywhere, so whst if he "gets into trouble", you are stopping him facing the consequences!

chocolatesaltyballs22 · 06/11/2019 14:13

I imagine he feels you don’t like him

Fucking hell, the number of times I've seen this on a step parenting thread. The problem isn't the Op here, is the selfish little shit who has zero respect who's the problem!

Seriously, kick him out and change the locks.

PinkCrayon · 06/11/2019 14:13

I don't think that's typical behaviour.
It sounds like lack of parenting and discipline.
The big problem with kids when their families split can be discipline, as they get older if it's not followed through with at both homes then the kid knows they can do what they like as they will be at the other parents house soon enough. I never understand parents that don't work together like that following the punishment through to each house.
The keying car incident what on earth!! Shock, what did his Dad do? Did his Mum have anything to say about that?
I would be gutted if my son did that.

BrendasUmbrella · 06/11/2019 14:14

You really don't dislike him? He sounds like an obnoxious little turd. I can't stand him and I've never met him Grin

It's not the default for teenagers to be like this. Something that jumps out as me is the lack of consequences he has for behaving badly. Does his DF over-compensate because he doesn't see his DM much? It is the opposite of the norm, could that be the root of his issues?

Or he'll say he's going out, then not going out, and then wanting food when he comes back in which I hadn't planned for.

He's 16. Why can't he cook for himself? Tell him "you said you'd be out, heat up a tin of soup". Get in some tins of beans, soup, a bag of penne and those one person sauce sachets, and he has options.

When he wakes up late, let him be late and get in trouble. Stop offering lifts. Tell him you have a morning conference call you can't miss.

Whatever his issues are, you and your DH both need to work on getting him to have some respect for his home.

Sparklfairy · 06/11/2019 14:17

I can be clumsy and teenagers are naturally thoughtless, but the fact is when he breaks something or ruins the sofa he just leaves it. The broken crockery on the floor just left for someone else to deal with left me Shock there's an insidious undertone there, a 'oh well, fuck you'

I couldn't live like this. It's heartbreaking to work hard and have someone else destroy it, I've been there! Flowers for you Sad

havingtochangeusernameagain · 06/11/2019 14:17

Some of this is normal like the washing, being a slob and not getting out of the house for the bus. I have to push my 16 year old out of the house to get the bus, and like you if he missed it, it would be a 30 min drive each way. To be fair, he can also get the train.

But the rest is not normal. Breaking things, laughing at someone keying the car etc. It is deliberate. Not thoughtless.

His dad needs to take him in hand (and his mother, surely she doesn't think it's ok for him to go round breaking things and throwing things around if he gets cross with a game?) Sounds like they need to sit down together and have a very serious chat with him.

Interestedwoman · 06/11/2019 14:18

All of this can be symptoms of dyspraxia or ADHD. I probably have dyspraxia and do have ADHD traits or ADHD.

People can do ok at school and still have it. It can make someone untidy, demotivated, forgetful/seemingly thoughtless, and 'clumsy.'

An assessment and treatment might be worth looking into (it might be easier to go to a private consultant, as the NHS can be a bit hopeless with it.)

As to the practicalities, I would have him go to his grandparents again in the evenings. Just say you're struggling with work or whatever- make something up. You need it in order to deal with things without undue hastle and getting understandably worked up.

Hugs xxxxx

AngelKate22 · 06/11/2019 14:18

Thanks for the messages, all. I admit that I expect to be told I was being unreasonable and that I should suck it up, so these responses are surprising.. but at the same time quite comforting, as I know now that I'm not just being silly.

He lives with us rather than his mum because she walked out on him when he was a baby, to go and live with someone who got her hooked on drugs. So every other weekend is all she 'won' when she took my partner to court over it.

As I mentioned, my partner does discipline him - no internet, console, money etc, but he literally doesn't care. I don't know what other kind of discipline there is that would work. He either goes to a friend's house (and we can't physically stop him from doing that at the end of the day, he's a big lad) or he just goes to his room or sits on the sofa as if he doesn't care what his punishment is.

He won't do chores. Again, I don't know what to do about this because his dad can't physically make him do anything he won't do, and punishments aren't working.

I know lots of you have said it's my partner's fault, and that I shouldn't have to do all this, but the only alternatives are either a) partner quits his job or b) DSS goes to grandparents again after college, but they're elderly and it's not fair to do that to them, as he's much the same there, and his swearing and shouting upsets them which isn't nice to see, as I like them a lot.

My partner has to leave for work at 6 and then he gets home between 6.30 and 7 depending on the traffic, so that's a good 2 hours at least after DSS gets home from college. He will absolutely speak to him when he gets home, and try to discipline, but what can you do with a child who won't be disciplined? If my brother had behaved like that when we were younger he'd have had a slap by this point, and I don't know how my partner holds back sometimes.

I didn't mean to paint my partner in such a negative light, so I'm sorry for that. He gets home from work and we have dinner straight away, and he will wash up after, and do DIY or other chores at the weekend. I have no problem with how much he pulls his weight, or his approach to DSS .. it's just that we don't know what we can do.

I won't be giving him lifts to college anymore though, I think you're all right about that. Though I suspect he will just stay in bed and refuse to go in at all. But.. not my problem is it.

I did perhaps think he had a MH issue but he refuses to come to the GP as it has been suggested in the past that he needs help with his anger and possibly has issues with coordination and clumsiness, but he won't go and, like everything else, how can we physically make him?

OP posts:
SummerPavillion · 06/11/2019 14:19

No excuse, but could he be jealous of the attention you get from his Dad?

AryaStarkWolf · 06/11/2019 14:19

sounds like a very average teen to me

Really? Thankfully my two must be angels then............

Justaboy · 06/11/2019 14:20

From what I've seen of this seems to me some professional councselling/ mental health assistance is called for.

Ever considered that at all?, I think this lad has some isses that won't be that easily resolved.

GettingABitDesperateNow · 06/11/2019 14:20

I think some of it is normal teenage behaviour (forgetting things, being clumsy, thoughtless over phone charging etc).

Some of it though is deliberate and completely disrespectful and I couldn't live like that. The leaving smashed crockery on the floor, hiding coke under a cushion, stubbing cigarettes out on his wall (!!) Laughing while your car is keyed (illegal behavior)... I mean even my 4 year old knows to tell me if she is spilled something!

It does seem like there are no consequences to his behaviour, if he can get money and play x box elsewhere.

How does your partner get on with his ex? I think there needs to be a joined up approach. Do you think she is over compensating and refusing to punish as she doesnt see him much? If so could you tell her you are at the end of your tethers and see if he can live there for a bit?

I think there are things you can do immediately.

Tell him no more lifts. Schedule some phone calls for first thing and stick to it. He needs to get into trouble.

If he cant bring dishes down from his room - no more eating in his room. If you catch him going upstairs with food, it gets taken off him.

He tells you by lunchtime if he is going to be eating with you that night or not. If he doesnt, you assume not, and don't make any food for him. If he changes his mind later, he can have toast, as he doesn't clear up after himself. You dont cook him anything extra.

I'd keep any 'treats' like lucozade etc in your room for the time being.

If he breaks something or ruins something then he can pay towards it. If he has no money this can be in the form of chores etc.

If he continues to behave badly then he has to leave home as soon as he has finished school, if other sanctions dont work.

Do you think there is any possibility he is trying to get you to move out?

Also have you sat down and talked to him about it all, you and your husband and him, and worked out consequences for what he is doing, together? I would also examine your reaction when he has a genuine accident eg if he breaks something because he is clumsy and tells you straight away and helps clear it up, you need to promise that you will not go over the top.

Is there any chance of your husband changing things at work for a while eg changing hours or working from home more so that he can be around more?

Lastly could you try family counselling?

havingtochangeusernameagain · 06/11/2019 14:21

Tbh to me he sounds like a typical hapless and selfish teenager who, if he was your son, would get away with it without you batting an eyelid

Hardly! My son doesn't go round smashing crockery and throwing things through windows!

The number of times we've had to phone him (he never picks up) because we don't know where he is after college is ridiculous And I wouldn't put up with this at all. If this continues I would start collecting him from college, taking him home and grounding him. A quick text costs nothing in time or money if you have a package and is basic consideration.

Interestedwoman · 06/11/2019 14:21

It's not deliberate- the breaking the controller/throwing it is, but getting worked up can be a symptom of ADHD.

When it comes to chores etc, I have to have paper plates/plastic cutlery as I find it so difficult to get round to. There's no point morally chastising myself for it- I'm just saying, that's how genuine it is, that at 42 I have to find ways around it. Which isn't to say you all shouldn't stop 'nagging' him, you have to have a go.:)

SummerPavillion · 06/11/2019 14:21

He's acting out abandonment issues - to a psychiatrist asap

ItsReallyNotOk · 06/11/2019 14:22

@AngelKate22 - Hi, apologies if I've missed it (and I've read it twice!) but what excuse/rationale/explanation/or just plain BS did your DP give regarding the keying of your car incident?

I assume he saw the same CCTV that you did so knows it's his DS and friends that were involved and doesn't think that it's something you made up?

I'm in a similar situation and haven't even had a crap excuse or explanation about what happened.

RiggedUpSquare · 06/11/2019 14:23

This is absolutely NOT normal behaviour by a teen Shock it's criminal damage re the car!

He sounds like he's a mix of careless , disrespectful and occasionally malicious tbh. Feral!

He's 16, this is something that should have been tackled earlier but I realise the dynamic is difficult because you're not his parent.

Crux of the matter is, a parent needs to sort this or else you need to accept or you step away until he's moved out ...

I couldn't live life like this.

Supersimkin2 · 06/11/2019 14:23

Another kid whose upbringing got lost in the cracks between split parents.

OP, sympathies. You all sound a bit frightened of him. He's loving it.