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To leave because of DSS

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AngelKate22 · 06/11/2019 12:50

I feel absolutely awful even writing this, but I'm just at the end of my tether. I have name changed for this.

I have been living with my partner and DSS for just over two years now. He is 16. We aren't married, but do own the house together. DSS lives with us full time apart from every other weekend.

My partner works long, full time hours plus commute time, and I work from home. So, naturally, a lot of things like housework and sorting things out fall to me. I don't mind that, I think it's fair that the partner who is home most picks up the slack. But possibly things like this wouldn't bother me if that was different. For background, DSS used to go to my partner's parents' house after school every day, and DP would pick him up after work, but with me being at home now that seems silly.

The odd thing is, DSS is actually a nice lad, and we generally get on when no incidents are happening. But it's just that there are things he does that drive me up the wall.

We are in the process of doing up the house, and he has zero respect for anything. This week, he's dyed a load of washing red and broken the new machine by putting a snapped biro (which leaked and then got stuck in the mechanism of the machine) in with his clothes (never checks pockets, so often have tissues all over the clean washing. I normally do the washing for all of us, but he didn't put any of his in the basket and demanded that he NEEDED these jeans by the next day, so I said I'm not waiting up for it to be done as it was 11pm already, so he did them with the rest of his clothes from his floor.. and ruined them all).

We've just done the kitchen up and bought a beautiful, matching set of dishes. We asked him to use the older set when making food for himself as he's a) clumsy and b) never brings things down from his bedroom. He ignores this (usually because he's ran out of plates and can't be bothered bringing them down and washing them), and we have already had to buy a new set because he's broken 2 large plates and a pasta bowl. This is because he doesn't take care, and throws things about. He will literally throw plates onto the side if we've asked him to pick them up and take them to the kitchen. But then when he's smashed things, he won't even tell us, he just leaves the pieces on the kitchen floor or wherever they smashed.

He also spilt a can of coke (which he shouldn't even have had) on our new sofa before he was going to bed one weekend, but instead of alerting me, put a cushion over it. So by the morning it had spread and completely ruined it and the cushion. The sofa had just cost us £800. I have used stain remover on it and it has helped a bit, but you can still see it.

He gets angry sometimes when gaming, and has broken a pane of glass in the lounge door (again, new) by throwing his controller at it. Also, this anger seriously distracts me from working, as he is SO noisy and angry when playing these games. He has also had to get new controllers a couple of times because his - for some strange reason - break faster than normal.

He walks into the house on the new living room carpet in his dirty shoes, which are dirty because he cuts across the grass at the front of the house instead of taking two extra steps to get to the driveway. So the new carpet is filthy, and the grass and flowerbed is trampled. We are supposed to take our shoes off in the hallway, but he always "forgets".

I leave my phone downstairs to charge at night, and if he goes to bed after me (I go quite early so often it's DSS and DP downstairs later on) DSS's phone will be plugged in in the morning as he's unplugged mine, so mine will be low, which I need for work. The issue with that is that he actually has a charger in his own bedroom, so it completely baffles me. We only have one plug in our bedroom as it's old fashioned and we haven't got round to doing that room yet, so we have a lamp plugged into it.

I have a hobby of doing jigsaw puzzles which I do on the kitchen table. He puts his college bag on top of it, and has - several times - dragged the bag off again later, dragging the puzzle with it, onto the floor. Like the smashed dishes, he leaves it. It's crossed my mind that he does this on purpose.

Then there's all the mess he leaves behind him wherever he goes. I either have to pick it up myself or nag him constantly. No amount of nagging changes it. I don't mind what his bedroom looks like, but I would like the family parts of the home to be neat and tidy, and he literally has to walk past a bin to get back upstairs to his bedroom.

He has a habit of going out after college, and having food out, when I've already cooked for the family. Or he'll say he's going out, then not going out, and then wanting food when he comes back in which I hadn't planned for. The number of times we've had to phone him (he never picks up) because we don't know where he is after college is ridiculous.

He also can't get himself up on time. He has to be out of the house by 7.30 to get the bus, and even when woken by one of us in plenty of time, he takes so much time getting ready that he misses it at least once a week. DP has already left for work by the time the bus is due, so that's then down to me to either let him be late and get another bus (I can't bring myself to do that because he gets into trouble) or drive the 30 mins there and 30 mins back that it takes to get him there on time. That then puts my work behind and has, in the past, got me into trouble with my clients as I missed a deadline.

He has started smoking. He is actually denying this, and we have never a) seen him smoke or b) found cigarettes/a lighter in his room. BUT he always smells of it and ... there are sodding cigarette burns on the wall. So either he, or a ghost, is smoking in his room and then stubbing cigs out on the wall. I mean, seriously? We've decorated that room and he's burning the wall? Other than the obvious damage which is seriously annoying, we really really don't want him smoking. There is so much education on it these days, and the dangers of it are just scary.

My car got keyed a few months ago, and next door happen to have CCTV on the front. They showed me the footage, and it was DSS's group of friends INCLUDING DSS walking home after college. One of his friends did it, and he laughed along with them. I was absolutely gutted as, like with everything else, I worked hard for that car, and like to keep it nice. He has also spilt drinks inside the car itself, keeps his muddy football boots on or putting them on the seat instead of putting them in the plastic bag I give him, leaves wrappers and empty bottles lying around. So my car is an absolute state as well, and I can honestly say that none of the mess in it, at all, is mine.

Money is a bit tight at the moment, and this is the incident that has made me write this post. My partner has been unwell recently, so I had bought him a pack of lucozade from Costco (because that's what you drink when you're ill haha) and this morning there were none in the fridge. I asked DSS whether he'd been drinking them and he said "not exactly" and laughed. I asked what that meant, and he said he'd been taking them to college and selling them for £1 each (they don't sell energy drinks there anymore). I was absolutely fuming at this, because we don't have much money ourselves (our own fault for doing up the house, but we can handle it so long as we budget) and yet he's taking things that I've paid for, and making a profit out of them? I was absolutely gobsmacked!

DP disciplines him by taking away his X Box, but this doesn't work because he will either play at a friend's house after college without asking for permission to go, and he has one at his mum's when he goes there anyway. DP also says he won't get any pocket money unless he tidies up and is respectful, but he doesn't care, as his mum and grandparents both give him money weekly, so what we give him makes no odds. He does no chores around the house, won't even wash a dish or tidy his own bedroom. There's nothing DP can do that will make a difference. We are both nagging constantly and I hate that, but what we can we do? We can't just leave things the way they are, surely. We're not asking him to be a slave for us, just to look after things and do the dishes on occasion, maybe.

Don't get me wrong, I love my partner to absolute bits, hence why I'm still here, but the problem is that he's not here a lot of the time. And that's not his fault. We both work so so hard to have a nice house and nice things, but it feels like DSS is just working against us all the time to spoil things and make things difficult.

It's so weird though because when things are good, we all get on well and have a laugh. I can't stress enough that I DON'T dislike DSS, and I honestly do my absolute hardest to make sure he has everything he needs, that he gets help when he needs it with college work, that we go on nice trips at weekends etc, but there are just all of these incidents, and damage being done, and problems. I know all families have problems, but what I've said is the tip of the iceberg. I can't say some things because they're just too obvious, but I can't live like this, wondering what's going to get wrecked next. I would totally expect this if he was a toddler, but he's not!

What the hell can I do? I am actually thinking about moving out (and hoping to goodness DP will still speak to me) until DSS goes to university. Would that be a horrific thing to do? I'm just not enjoying life at the moment, and I don't see any other way. DP is at the end of his tether with it as well, as he doesn't want to come home from work to find the house (sometimes literally) smashed up, or pay to replace things we've only just bought.. and I don't want to leave him to cope with this on his own.

I know people will say that I should have thought of that before going out with someone with a child, but I absolutely did! I was fully prepared to treat this young man like he was my own, and be either a mother figure, a sister, a friend - whatever worked. It's just that I would never have thought of this kind of thing from a 16yo that's all.

Please help me :(.

OP posts:
StormTreader · 06/11/2019 14:46

Sounds to me like your DH is well overdue to sit him down and say
"What the hell do you think you're doing? These are the family rules and expectations, these should all be what everyone does but it seems we have to spell out that you do not disrespect this house and the people who live in it. A condition of living in this house is behaving like an actual adult human and not some kind of teenage chimpanzee. If you continue destroying this house and disrespecting the other members of this house then we will have to have a very serious talk about where you are planning to live in the future because it won't be here."

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 06/11/2019 14:48

I hate it when people come onto a thread to do this, but....

My 18 year old nephew is living with me while he goes to university. He pays rent (which I'm actually saving for him so he'll get it back when he needs a deposit), he cooks, cleans and helps nurse my mother in law. He does his own washing and will often do, eg a load of towels as well. He walks and feeds the dogs and takes my father )his grandfather shopping).

At home with his parents - he treats the house like a hotel, never contributes or buys any shopping, eats them out of house and home and leaves a trail of mess everywhere he goes.

It's a matter of respect. Your step son doesn't respect you or your property.

DisappearingGirl · 06/11/2019 14:49

Oh blimey that sounds awful behaviour. That said I've seen similar on MN several times about very difficult teens.

It's so difficult because you're not his actual parent but you've ended up doing the majority of looking after him due to work hours. Also difficult because you can't actually force a teen to do something.

On the one hand it would seem a great shame if you had to move out, as it would send your DSS a message that he's succeeded in pushing you away and now you've abandoned him as well. Whereas what wayward kids/teens generally need is a firm message that bad behaviour won't be tolerated but that their parents/caregivers ultimately love them and won't leave.

On the other hand it sounds horrendous and he's not your child so not necessarily your problem to solve.

Can you talk to him and say what you've said here - that you actually think he's a really good lad but his behaviour is really causing problems. And perhaps threaten (and carry out) as many sanctions as you can between you. Including perhaps that he has to go to grandparents on some prespecified days if the behaviour continues. But you could reiterate that you're very happy to have him at home if he's not shouting and breaking stuff. Also I'd imagine that the lack of wifi, consoles, money etc will bother him eventually even if he doesn't show it. I think it's important to have a carrot as well as a stick, eg maybe he can "earn back" some treats if he behaves well for a day etc.

Good luck - what a tricky one.

JumpiestBat · 06/11/2019 14:50

Given you're not married and don't have children of your own together I'd be tempted to move out because the relationship with your partner won't survive if you stay and are continually disrespected like this. You're not happy are you? Could he go back to being at his grandparents after college to take some of the pressure off?

hazell42 · 06/11/2019 14:51

@hazell42 It's normal behaviour to smash windows, have huge rages, stub fags out on a bedroom wall, key a car, smash plates and leave them on the floor?

Huge rages, break plates, leave them on the floor?
Yes
Stub fags out on bedroom wall?
Maybe
Keying a car?
No, but he didn't. His friend did.
Laughing at inappropriate car keying when in peer group of laughing friends?
Yep, sounds pretty normal to me.
All that stuff about spilling a can of coke he wasn't supposed to have, not checking his pockets before loading washing machine?
Completely, totally, infuriating.
And normal

Passthecherrycoke · 06/11/2019 14:52

Op do you think you’re genuinely going to leave your DH? Just asking as there is no point advising it if you’d rather stay

The thing that struck me is the amount your DH works. With a teenager causing this amount of havoc he just can’t work this long. I think he needs to look at changing jobs so he can support this better.

I am certain a mother would be expected to make sacrifices to sort out a wayward teen. Men just seem to get away with carrying on as usual even when there is an emergency in the family

PocketDictionary · 06/11/2019 14:52

Does your DSS live with Dad because he thinks it's the easy option compared to Mum's?

Vanhi · 06/11/2019 14:54

DP has already left for work by the time the bus is due, so that's then down to me to either let him be late and get another bus (I can't bring myself to do that because he gets into trouble) or drive the 30 mins there and 30 mins back that it takes to get him there on time. That then puts my work behind and has, in the past, got me into trouble with my clients as I missed a deadline.

I'm glad you've said you'll stop this. Make sure you stick to that. I have no idea why you want him in your car given that he trashes it. And for the love of god, why are you bothered if he gets into trouble? That's on him, actions have consequences and ultimately you're not doing him any favours by giving him a lift.

There are some similarities between your situation and mine OP, although many differences too. My OH has a pre-teen child. I don't live with them and I'm not sure if it will come to that. If I move in with my OH it might not be until after his DD has left home. The mother is next to useless, in fact probably worse than useless. She's often abusive towards her DD and contact is for a few hours once a week. It is a very fine line to tread because you want to compensate for the rejection from one parent, but you're doing nobody any favours if you over-compensate and spoil them.

I think your DP needs to reduce his hours and actually parent. Whilst your DSS sounds like an arse, he is also dealing with a lot. He has no boundaries at all. Some form of family therapy might help, even if DSS won't go. But honestly, I wouldn't blame you for moving out. At the very least consider renting office space and no longer working from home.

FabbyChix · 06/11/2019 14:54

He isn’t typical at all. My kids never broke anything, never left dirt anywhere and never sold my stuff. They also never went anywhere without telling me and also cost me nothing other than what as a parent I have to provide. He had no respect for you. I’d move out until he went to uni or moved out himself I couldn’t live with him a day let alone long term

mankyfourthtoe · 06/11/2019 14:57

No lifts
No waking him up either he's an adult who can manage to set an alarm.
Keep a visible running list from now on about how much money he owes you, £x per plate etc and knock off pocket money he doesn't get.
Don't replace the clothes.
Don't cook unless it's a family meal.
Turn the WiFi off unless he brings plates downstairs unbroken. If he chooses to go to a friends then that's a quiet evening for you.

Isaididont · 06/11/2019 14:57

I agree with dreichwinter - I think you’re getting the brunt of his anger and abandonment issues - it’s no small thing your mother choosing to leave you.
I think he needs to experience firm boundaries with lots of love thrown in there too. I can see how tough that is when he’s a big lad , not a little boy. I don’t have any answers myself, not having parented teenagers but it sounds like there’s some good suggestions on here. I’m not excusing his awful behaviour, but he sounds like such a lost (and angry and clumsy) soul. He could do with help /counselling but it’s hard if he’s resistant to that. I think you’re right that you’ve accidentally made yourself a doormat - it’s very easy to do - you were just trying to show him you accept him.
I wonder if you could get advice somehow off foster parents who specialise in teenagers - just because they have tons of experience and expertise in dealing with troubled teens and bringing healthy boundaries in.
The situation as it stands does sound intolerable for you. Sounds like you and DP really to talk about where to go from here. Things have to change!

hazell42 · 06/11/2019 14:57

@FabbbyChix My kids never broke anything, never left dirt anywhere and never sold my stuff

Really? Never?
They never left dirt anywhere?
Fuck me.

Isaididont · 06/11/2019 14:58

Good suggestions from mankyfourthtoe. He really does need to experience consequences.

diddl · 06/11/2019 15:01

He sounds very troubled & in need of help.

I think that I would move out tbh.

Not sure how his dad would access help if his son won't engage though.

DisappearingGirl · 06/11/2019 15:01

Also there must be some halfway house between you leaving altogether or staying and having responsibility for him every evening. Can DH come home early / grandparents have him on SOME evenings to spread the load? They'd have to do all of it between them if you left.

NearlyGranny · 06/11/2019 15:02

He's doing this on purpose to show his contempt for you. The car-keying proves this.

You need to stop protecting him from the consequences of his actions. No lifts in your car ever, unless he's washed and hoovered it in the preceding week. No washing done for him.

Every smashed/ruined/stolen item deducted from his allowance. Turn the internet off when you go to bed.

That would be a start.

Hang in there - it's only a couple more years. It's not personal, I think. You're seen as an interloper, not as who you are.

Were you on the scene when his parents split?

ladybee28 · 06/11/2019 15:08

Don't get me wrong, I love my partner to absolute bits, hence why I'm still here, but the problem is that he's not here a lot of the time. And that's not his fault. We both work so so hard to have a nice house and nice things, but it feels like DSS is just working against us all the time to spoil things and make things difficult

Can't help but wonder if your DSS feels the same.

"Mum abandoned me, Dad's never home, I must be a shit person if neither of my parents want to be around me. And now here's this other woman pretending to be nice... probably can't trust her to stick around either. I wonder how bad I'd need to be to prove that you can never trust an adult to be there when you need them? How far do I have to push this one to confirm my fundamental belief that there's something so wrong with me that nobody will really want me for long? Might as well do what I want - it's only a matter of time before she leaves too, anyway."

He sounds like a really angry, confused kid trapped in a teenager's over-hormonal body who needs a really good cry and a chance to let out some feelings he can't even put words to. And punishment WON'T work with a kid in that headspace – it's not a shock to him, just further confirmation of his base-level belief that he's worthless.

None of the above means it's any easier for you, though, OP, even if I've got the internal narrative wrong (which it's perfectly possible that I have).

It's still awful behaviour to live with and shouldn't be your problem as much as it is. I feel for you, deeply. My DSS is 13 and getting a bit grumpy, but nothing even close to this and I'm not sure I'd stick around in this situation.

I agree with PP, there are definitely areas where you can draw the line much more firmly (taking him to school when he's being lazy definitely needs to stop). Part of proving to him that you're in this because you love him means having firm boundaries - expecting more from him because you know he's capable of more, and that you're consistent in that.

And if you can, I'd really work hard to get him to a few therapy sessions. Have a therapist come to your house if he won't go there.

AdoreTheBeach · 06/11/2019 15:11

This may sound harsh, but have you considered putting locks on all the other doors in the home, leaving only the main bathroom and his room without locks

He can come into the kitchen when it’s dinner time only. Breakfast can be something he can keep in his room only. Lunch is at school. He goes to use plastic or paper plates/cups ex until he can learn how to use your Crockery correctly. (When my DS was a term, we had to do this. He was rough and broke so much, as well as accidentally (??) but repeatedly throwing out the cutlery. This eventually stopped.

Access the living room is evenings and on weekends only when you’re both present and he goes to his room when you both leave the living room.

Access the laundry on weekend only (ie, state Sunday afternoon only or something similar). Anything else, he can take his laundry to grandparents’ home. (Or launderette and he pays).

This is until he can show proper behaviour in the home and treats the home with respect.

Put a smoke alarm either in his room or just outside on the hall coming so you’ll know if he’s smoking and have DP stop it as it happens.

While some of wha yo described can in part be selfish teen, most of this goes way beyond normal teenage angst.

Counselling for this atrocious behaviour and it’s roots as previously suggests is ideal but you have said he won’t go so perhaps the two of you could go?

user1473878824 · 06/11/2019 15:16

@hazell42
*Huge rages, break plates, leave them on the floor?
Yes
Stub fags out on bedroom wall?
Maybe"

Well I feel very sorry for your home life then if these are normal teenage things to do.

Orangecake123 · 06/11/2019 15:18

He sounds like an average teen

His behavior is deliberate and beyond that of a reasonable self absorbed teenager. I would report the car incident and let him deal with the consequences.

AryaStarkWolf · 06/11/2019 15:21

Well I feel very sorry for your home life then if these are normal teenage things to do.

agree. (and yes I have teens)

ShinyS1 · 06/11/2019 15:22

Nothing unusual in what you've written OP. My son is the same, and he's 13! If you love your DP I'd hang on in there, it can't last too much longer. I appreciate it's different as this is your DSS and not your DS. He will feel like shit if you leave because of him, and not in a 'reflect on his behaviour' feeling like shit, more of a guilt for destroying a family, and that can last a lifetime.

ceejla · 06/11/2019 15:26

I'm sorry OP but this is not typical teenage behavior and should absolutely NOT be tolerated!

What I am struggling to understand here - he goes to his mothers 4 days a month?! I'm sorry no, unless there is some exempting circumstance here as to why he cannot be there 50% of the time this is not acceptable for his care to fall on YOU. It sounds as though he needs to be better managed and his mother needs to understand and effectively co-parent with your DP. No pocket money either side, no xbox, no seeing friends nothing!

If he wants to behave like a child then he needs to be treated like a child. Limited xbox & wifi times, curfews and less time at friends until he starts acting like a grown up. Remove his bedroom door. Make him get a part time job so that he starts valuing money. Absolutely no lifts when he is late. He is 16 not 10!

As for moving out, I would have moved out a long time ago if it was me. Is this the right thing to do - not necessarily. If you have been together for some years, I would say it may do more damage than good. You and your DP need to be a strong force to be reckoned with and if you no longer live there, you open up a weakness that he can exploit. You seem like a very strong woman and you also seem like you need more backing from your DP and also from DSS mother.I suggest all 3 of you sitting down and discussing his behavior, new ground rules and the consequences if he acts up. Mention to him that you have seen the CCTV and are considering reporting him to the police. It may be an empty threat, but by gosh I think it will shake him up.

I'm sorry I've only read the first page in this thread so sorry if any of this is repeated. I honestly hope you can get all of this sorted. Strict boundaries need enforcing. You will get there - don't let it go on a minute longer.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 06/11/2019 15:27

Didn't take long before the "were you the OW" lime got trotted out.

So,predictable as are the mental,gymnastics of some people trying to find a way of normalising this boys behaviour.

FreeBedForFlys · 06/11/2019 15:29

OP very little of what you describe is “normal”.

Messy room - yes (mine was a tip as a teen 😳)
Yelling at the X-Box - yes (I well remember shouting at Crash Bandicoot 😳)

But the rest - no. I’ve got two teens - one of which can be a pita - but neither of them would do anything as shitty as you’re describing.

I’d move out. Tbh I’d assume that your DP was a complete jellyfish for putting up with it.