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to expect my FIL to pay what he owes!

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73Sunglasslover · 30/10/2019 19:58

My FIL lives by himself. He's elderly but in reasonable health most of the time. He is quite well off (over 300K in the bank we think) but doesn't spend much as he prefers a quiet life and simple things.

The issue is that he asks us to get things - like DIY stuff so my OH can fix things which are broken when we visit (we don't mind doing this) and presents for the kids (he says can you put £50 in a card for them from me) - but without prompting will usually not pay us back. My OH and I have completely joint finances. I bring home twice as much as him (irrelevant really, but just for context).

He is generous at other times, e.g. he gave us £1000 each (me and OH for Xmas last year). My OH says that because of this we can't ask him to pay us back as it's too awkward. But I say that we put that cash into the mortgage so don't actually have it to give to the kids and anyway he gave it as a gift, not a fund for us to hold for him to spend when he wants/ needs to.

I find FIL really difficult. He's used to thinking only of him, so for example when we visit, it takes around 6 hours to drive to his. He doesn't get milk or bread in for us or any other food. After we arrive I have to go to the supermarket to stock up on basics. His wife died a couple of years ago and he's been trained to be inept (or lazy??) around the house so I don't expect him to cook us meals but to order an extra pint of milk and buy enough bread for us all to have breakfast is really no big ask and certainly within his capabilities. I can't figure out whether my OH is being unreasonable or whether my frustration at being expected to join my OH's family in treating my FIL like someone who really can't do anything for anyone else is clouding my thinking about this.

YABU - yes it's unreasonable to ask your FIL to reimburse you for small sums of money when he's generous with presents sometimes.

YANBU - FIL should reimburse you and if he doesn't do it without prompting it's reasonable to expect OH to prompt him.

OP posts:
WillLokireturn · 03/11/2019 12:31

If it's LPA rather than EPA finances, DH can register that with FIL going to bank with him and getting second card, to use early (before he loses capacity) to support fil with managing his money. That could include using the card with tips permission to take out cash he is asked to put in presents/cards, or use in b&q trips - just keep good records and receipts. Let fil takeout the big amounts of gift to you & DH.

WillLokireturn · 03/11/2019 12:34

'FIL's' not 'tips' permission

WillLokireturn · 03/11/2019 12:35

You just give a copy to bank and arrange a second card, keep good records, as OPG/COP can audit anytime.

Aridane · 03/11/2019 20:13

What a sad, sad thread.

My sister and I would do all you refer to in a heartbeat and at our expense and wouldn't think anything of it.

It's a running joke our (widowed) mother never has anything in - that's just the way it is. And when she serves food, it's minuscule portions that are right for her but not for non 83 year old 6.5 stone women.

We either just bring some stuff with us or do an online shop for when we're there to receive it. And to be honest, we're a bit offended if she offers to pay. She's our mother and it's our pleasure to be able to contribute something in her final years

R2G · 03/11/2019 20:17

Yabu he is who he is.

MarthasGinYard · 03/11/2019 20:38

'What a sad, sad thread.'

It really and truly is

WillLokireturn · 03/11/2019 23:37

Aridane ???? Really! ? Have you even RTFT? Very virtue signalling of you that you do a bit for your mother, hey don't we all!! We all have mothers and fathers and in laws that We do help, duh.... , but doubt she is like OPs FIL. An op , who has been open and v kind and articulate .

Aridane · 04/11/2019 00:27

Yep - have read the thread. Sighs

blubelle7 · 04/11/2019 06:46

RTFT and still feel it is a non-issue.

@Aridane is right it is a very sad thread

derxa · 04/11/2019 09:58

An op , who has been open and v kind and articulate . Incredibly rude when she spoke to me but you stick to your view.

JulietakaIris · 04/11/2019 09:59

who has been open and v kind and articulate .

"Kind"? Are you on the wrong thread? 🤷‍♀️

Whattodoabout · 04/11/2019 10:02

I wouldn’t be arsed about the little DIY bits and bobs, it’s only the same as someone picking up milk on the way to yours and you not reimbursing. I’ll never forget a friend doing this once, she bought a £1 carton of milk and asked for the money back. I was a bit aghast.

I just wouldn’t put the birthday money in the cards for the children. If he wants to do that, he can do it himself. If not, they just get a card from him.

meyouandlulutoo · 04/11/2019 11:21

little DIY bits and bobs and can add up to a lot of money especially if the house is old and in disrepair.

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