Jeremy Corbyn

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I see so many posters saying they won’t vote for Labour as they don’t like Jeremy Corbyn - why? If the Labour policies are good then why not vote for those rather than the leader?

I never used to vote (safe Tory seat) but after the condems coalition and then more Tory government, I wished I'd just voted for Ed Milliband. Wouldn't have made any difference but I decided I was going to start voting Labour as their policies have always resonated with me more. So I started voting for them under JC. I know some people don't like him, but I really do think a lot of it is smear and he doesn't get a fair representation. I think the Tories are diabolical in the way they have run the country into the ground, austerity death etc and I don't think a lot of people are going to survive another term of them. They've cut services to the bone which has created all manner of knock on affects. If you don't like JC, but like Labours policies, just vote for them anyway! He won't be around forever, he's getting on a bit now. You're voting for your local mp anyway, so just look at it like that.

Im totally with you op,
Sadly some people will just believe the media smear campaign.

How can anyone read this piece & NOT vote labour is my question....

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/27/doctor-nhs-vote-labour-austerity-conservatives?CMP=sharebtnntw&twitterrimpression=true&fbclid=IwAR2JhAMh9bEiRfeALJeTzeP8ogAByuwaitNpp_shoQ8oEQfYLvlTc7tvJ50

You're voting for your local mp anyway, so just look at it like that.

A particularly dense way to look at it, since that “local MP” will make Corbyn PM and pass whatever crazy shit he wants through Parliament!

The polls are pretty meaningless at this point, they were predicting a landslide for May in 2017 and the political landscape was far less volatile then. My hope is for a hung Parliament, second referendum, new GE with three new grown up leaders and then some very boring political stability.

Actually a Tory no deal Brexit where they deregulate everything, rip up workers rights and the rest and make the uk into a tax haven is closer to Venezuela than what Labour are suggesting. Everyone bangs on about you can't have 'free' this and that, but it paid for by taxes which we all pay and only people earning over £80k will have to pay any more. Plus taxing people like amazon who have got away with it. Pushing people into poverty aka the Tories actually causes more expenditure and crime in the long term and ill health and people needing to claim benefits because they can't work. 'Free' broadband would be helpful for businesses running from home, children from disadvantaged backgrounds for homework and school work and help job seekers optimise their job search. If people have more money, they spend more in the economy.

And any 'crazy shit' will have to be passed by parliament. Anything too extreme wouldn't get through. Most of it isn't though.

It's clear McDonnell has no understanding of, or respect for markets

So it seems - though to give him his due he has a certain ideological purity

Too bad for Labour that it's not a popular ideology

A particularly dense way to look at it, since that “local MP” will make Corbyn PM and pass whatever crazy shit he wants through Parliament!

Well, as Boris was unable to get any of his crazy shit through parliament, this is probably unlikely to happen.

And any 'crazy shit' will have to be passed by parliament. Anything too extreme wouldn't get through. Most of it isn't though.

Hence why we need to keep as many Labour MPs out of Parliament as possible!

My hope is for a hung Parliament

It really speaks volumes when a Labour supporter is hoping for a hung parliament...

I've heard people on here say that they don't particularly like Corbyn but their local mp is really good and works hard, so it's not that 'dense' voting for your local mp if you like them!. OP asked would you vote Labour if you don't like Corbyn but like Labour policies. PP obviously doesn't like Labour policies. Don't vote Labour then!

I really don't think the problem is just JC (although I certainly have appreciated him - he is a great aasset to us conservatives, helps the Tory cause no end so long may he stay...) - it is that not enough people in the UK support Labour's current policies.

It is also extremely unlikely that those earning under £80k would not have a tax hike under Labour.There are not very many high earners so to raise more tax it usually has to be on the middle and lower earners. Hammond tired to increase nationa insurance contributions of white van man until forced to back track. The reason he was trying is thereare not enough rich people to get much more tax out them - they already pay the highest proportion of income tax in English history.

Also Labour is veyr likely to tax house equity and many people even on under £80k have that . They also sometimes have private pensions from their employer who invest in companies so pensions will reduce in value after the 10% confiscation of companies by Labour and that kind of thing.

It really speaks volumes when a Labour supporter is hoping for a hung parliament...

It really doesn’t. It’s realistic. I want anything except a Tory government. Common sense tells me I won’t get a Labour one this time round. Hung is the best I can hope for. I’d be ecstatic if Labour won but I don’t believe in unicorns.

Common sense tells me I won’t get a Labour one this time round.

Because they have a disastrous leader and disastrous policies. At least you finally recognise it.

No I don’t recognise anything of the sort. I said I’d be ecstatic. Stop twisting my words. I mean what I say. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Labour should be winning this GE hands down, it should be a walk in the park, poverty everywhere, working families, single parents, homeless struggling , having to go to food banks. People are desperate for another government to come in and improve the benifit system and social housing, NHS, so what do Labour promise today, free WiFi, wtf are Labour thinking?

We haven’t seen the manifesto yet @Gin96. And you’re right.

government to come in and improve the benifit system and social housing, NHS, so what do Labour promise today, free WiFi, wtf are Labour thinking?

Labour have already announced the scrapping of universal credit
Labour are going to give the NHS a 26billion boost

I mean what I say. Nothing more. Nothing less.

You said that common sense tells you you won’t get a Labour Government this time around. Why would common sense be telling you that if Labour weren’t utterly shit?

Why would common sense be telling you that if Labour weren’t utterly shit?

Because there are selfish people like you who wouldn’t give anyone your nose droppings spreading Boris worship and alarmist nonsense about Venezuela. And also because tactical voting is likely to lead to a hung Parliament.

Labour should be shouting louder about nhs and scrapping UC, all i’ve heard today is free WiFi and how much it will cost, if funds are not enough for both which is most important? This point needs shouting from the roof tops. I want Labour to win, we need someone different but Labour are not feeling me with hope, if they don’t win this GE there is something seriously wrong, Labour need to take a long hard look at themselves.

The cost of their pledges so far is eye watering. It is so much that many experts have said it is not even POSSIBLE to spend that kind of money so quickly...what does that tell us about their ability to manage the economy? To keep us safe and to be sensible?

I am a labour supporter, but I am incredulous that anyone can possibly think nationalisation is a priority. We need money for hospitals, schools, GP surgeries and the police force. We need money for those that are struggling on benefits, the disabled and the mentally unwell.

We do not need to buy BT!!!!!! Which will ensure years of legal wrangling in the courts, so nothing will improve in the ten years of huge costs!

We do not need to buy the failing post office!

We do not need to stump up the enormous cost of the railways!

All of this paid for by all of us, and indeed somehow we will also only work four days a week and somehow by magic it will all pay for itself. It is utter madness. Don't forget the extended maternity and free child care (if you can find the nurseries that is!) for the over twos. It is just unbelievable. It is literally ridiculous.

For god sake, how can anyone anywhere possibly think ANY of this is a good idea?????????????????????

It will be an utter unmitigated disaster for our country if this happens. We will never recover.

I don't even know who I am going to vote for, but for the first time ever it certainly won't be bloody labour. I am appalled it the lack of coherent brexit plan, I am appalled at the Momentum inspired nationalisation programme that will take us back to the 1970s, I am appalled at the truly terrifying spending pledges. What the hell happened to the moderate labour that appealed to everyone??

It is dead and buried, and our children will be left to pay the biggest deficit in history.

Labour can't save the NHS.

It needs overhauling, throwing money at it won't help.
Nationalising WiFi?
I can't see how they could possibly help the homeless or anything.

Consider I agree with everything you have said.

@considermesometimes well said, very true, why not concentrate on the main issues people are worried about, which is not WiFi! Are Labour that far away from what their voters need changing NOW! They are so wrapped up in themselves they forget about the people they are supposed to be representing.