Jeremy Corbyn

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I see so many posters saying they won’t vote for Labour as they don’t like Jeremy Corbyn - why? If the Labour policies are good then why not vote for those rather than the leader?

Consider - I agree with everything you have said too.

I would add that I think government controlled broadband is a very alarming prospect. Does that mean they'll be able to decide what speed I get and what my download limits are? Will they monitor and restrict what sites I can visit? Isn't this what happens in Russia and China? Also how are they proposing to compensate BT shareholders many of whom are dependent on their shares for their pension?

I can't stand JC or his wacko policies. He is on an ego trip and wants to take over everything: water, rail, electricity, gas, mail and now BT. He wants to steal from some to give to others. He will crash our economy by driving out successful people and companies who don't want to pay excessive tax.

It may be useful to remember Thatcher stole the utilities from their owners, the country’s citizens, and sold them. They were stolen goods to start with. Now it’s time to give them back.

Also how are they proposing to compensate BT shareholders many of whom are dependent on their shares for their pension?
Listening to John McDonnell on Radio 4, he said shares will be exchanged for government bonds. Apparently, although the return on government bonds is 2% compared to BT shares of 7%, pension funds would not lose out. Im not sure how they wont lose out though. Im not sure 'John McDonnell said so' is enough. Surely its a sledgehammer policy that could easily be resolved by subsidising the cost of broadband to hard to reach areas or using the British Broadband business to non profitable areas at a discount. Or is that not outrageous enough? A bit like training more housing officers to inspect slum landlords and prosecute them under existing law is too boring compared with seizing property and forcing them to sell to their tenants. It's like fantasy policy time, knowing they will, if they're lucky only be able to form a minority government so won't be able to implement any of their more hair brained policies.

Considermesometimes excellent post.

Do you know what, voters don’t care what Thatcher or Blair did, all they want to know is they have enough money to feed their families and can afford a roof over their heads and maybe just have a little left over to treat their family’s every now and then and good health care.

So much FUD and panic. Has everyone forgotten that once upon a time we had nationalised electricity, water, gas, rail, and communications? We did it without the state controlling the content over the communications - the state control merely enables everybody to access it. It was in the time of greatest economic stability we have ever known. All we've had since is private profit from public goods, publicly owner debt from private companies, private control of information and private destruction of privacy. The state is just about on its knees now economically and sociologically as a result. Other countries that function well still have all that essential infrastructure in the public domain and public ownership.

He blows smoke up the arses of IRA terrorists. He is a jew hating fucknugget. As someone who has experienced loss as a direct result of your IRA terrorists I despise the man.

What the hell happened to the moderate labour that appealed to everyone??

It got hijacked by Momentum - basically what Militant Tendency was in the 70s but with a different name

They even brought Derek Hatton back for a couple of days ...

Yes we also had 3 day black outs, lots of strikes, rubbish in the streets for months and a 3 day week, which no one could afford, the unions held the country to ransom. As a child I had many evenings by candle light with no TV.

I am furious with Corbyn because if he and his Momentum mates weren’t so egotistical we could:

• Get Johnson and his awful cronies like Priti Patel out
• have an electable moderate Lab or (more likely) Lab/LD coalition govt
• save the Union
• stop Brexit
• credibly reassure British Jews they don’t need to emigrate

Jeremy Corbyn’s deluded insistence that he is the right person to be PM (when most of his own MPs don’t even believe it) is the only thing stopping all these things from happening.

MrsOnions i am sorry. I despise him too.

Has everyone forgotten that once upon a time we had nationalised electricity, water, gas, rail, and communications?

I remember. We could either have a red phone or a grey phone.

Spoiler alert - the UK has moved on a bit.

It may be useful to remember that Thatcher stole the utilities from their owners, the country's citizens, and sold them.
I was totally against the massive sell-off the nation's silver, and have never been a Tory, but the money that came in from the sell-off didn't go to Thatcher. It went to the Treasury.

Thatcher also sold off the nation’s council housing stock. Maybe Labour could propose renationalising that. The current owners could be given a Junk rated ‘government bond’ in exchange to the deeds to their house.....

I remember. We could either have a red phone or a grey phone

Ah, but only if you waited months for it ...

but only if you waited months for it ...

Ahhh, but my father was an ‘essential public sector worker’ (fully paid up union member). We got ours in a week.

Them’s were the good old days...

Yes we also had 3 day black outs, lots of strikes, rubbish in the streets for months and a 3 day week, which no one could afford, the unions held the country to ransom.

Those things happened under a Tory government. Most people were paid full time. I remember it well as an adult during that time.

And it doesn’t matter where the money went @GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman, those utilities belonged to the country, not the Thatcher government.

Yes we also had 3 day black outs, lots of strikes, rubbish in the streets for months and a 3 day week, which no one could afford, the unions held the country to ransom.
I don't know where you are but rubbish collection is reduced now. As are postal collections. Personally I count the right to strike as a benefit compared to the poverty and insecurity that is now normal for working families, working 2 jobs under zero hour contract conditions to pay rent to some idle rich landlord. If your main benefit from that is a choice of phone colour I think that's a small price to pay. Perhaps unions had too much power in the 1970s: but now we've swung too far the other way, with few employment rights in theory and barely any in fact given the lack of legal enforcement capability. We need to rebalance once again.

he top 10% of earners make up a huge proportion of tax receipts.....alienate them into taking their wealth elsewhere at your peril. Its all very well hearing JCs elaborate plans for services and benefits for those in need but this doesn't work if you drive the big income generators overseas at the same time.

To have a successful safety net for the bottom low income families, you need to have wealth generators and business thriving to provide a strong economy.

This with knobs on

@Alsohuman which was voted in by the population. I didn't like it either, but it wasn't a dictatorship which stole the money and salted it away overseas.

It had the same effect.

I will vote Labour because Corbyn is a more decent person by order of magnitudes and will make a better leader than Johnson. And because Labour has better policies than Tories (and may provide a route to avoid a massive recession thanks to Johnson’s Brexit).

Thatcher’s policies were fantastic short-termism.