Jeremy Corbyn

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I see so many posters saying they won’t vote for Labour as they don’t like Jeremy Corbyn - why? If the Labour policies are good then why not vote for those rather than the leader?

f that is the case, and modern economies require a large part of the population to be kept in poverty with no assets or legal rights

Wow, citation needed, because this heavily leans on right wing leave arguments.

...and you could always read some of the OECD material I posted up. Unless this is becoming a debate on what is considered too 'top heavy' a socialist model? You can't honestly be claiming that the UK now has too heavy a socialist model, with few employment rights in fact, low wages, high living costs and a welfare system with very very restricted access? In the 70s you would have had a point, but now?

Citation for what? For the way in which life in Britain has become so much harder for those not born into wealth? Try the UN report, also referenced upthread.
www.ohchr.org/documents/issues/poverty/eom_gb_16nov2018.pdf
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/un-poverty-austerity-uk-universal-credit-report-philip-alston-a8924576.html
www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/05/14-damning-findings-un-inspector-who-investigated-uk-poverty
www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/24/un-poverty-expert-hits-back-over-uk-ministers-denial-of-facts-philip-alston

It certainly is one narrative concerning the Brexit vote; there are others. It isn't my doing either way.

Ignore it @I’mGoingToBangYoutHeadsTogether. A demand for a “citation” is that poster’s standard response when they have nothing else.

It always amazes me when people take as some great authority a man who is an American human rights lawyer and came to the UK for 2 weeks then wrote a report about our welfare system and poverty in our country. I would suggest that UN rapetors are not the oracles of all wisdom you might imagine and really aren't thought of in very high esteem.

There are so many holes in that report you could rinse vegetables and it has been widely discredited so I'll just leave that to one side. And no I don't think the system is necessarily too top heavy at the moment. It is for my personal tastes but there we go. In fact I'm going to drop this debate because there is not even a sliver of a chance that that mad cap lunatic is getting into power so there is no point debating an imaginary scenario. It's never going to happen.

Well I was a labour supporter through and through until it became clear to me that:

A) Corbyn and some of his closest allies in the party dislike Jewish people and don’t seem to view racism towards Jews in the same way they would view discrimination towards other faiths/races.
B) Theres’s a huge lack of economic realism in their policies. As a nation we simply couldn’t afford all the spending they have committed to.
C) I hold Corbyn responsible for the fact Leave narrowly won the Referendum. He was meant to be spearheading the Remain camp, but was lukewarm and ambivalent in his approach. I felt then, and on many occasions since, that he really preferred to leave the EU as it suits his politics more. Had Labour had a leader fundamentally committed to remain I believe the referendum result would have been different, and we wouldn’t be in this horrible impasse now.
D) Anyone in the party who vehemently disagrees with Mr C inevitably ends up pushed out, resigning or is marginalised. There are too many parallels with more extreme forms of party politics elsewhere in the world for my liking.

I could go on but I’ll stop there. The Labour Party is no longer recognisable to me and it’s now Lib Dem all the way.

I would suggest that UN rapetors are not the oracles of all wisdom you might imagine and really aren't thought of in very high esteem

They would be if they happened to agree with you. They didn't. They happened to agree with those of us not born into wealth. And you have no respect for us either have you. Get out of your bubbles and go and talk to people at the bottom. It's a well known fact that life is harder now here while the rich get richer, for no other reason than an ability to play the system and push other people down. It has to stop, and one way or another it will be stopped.

mycatthinksshesatiger there is no criticism in there that could not be levelled far more effectively at the Tories. Personally I have no respect left for the Lib Dems whatsoever until they work out what a woman is (I did vote for them in the past) but we've not got many good choices at the moment.

i’mgoingtobang that is true, but this isn’t a thread about the tories, it’s about JC & the Labour Party. Just because the Tories are generally odious (IMHO) that doesn’t automatically elevate the Labour Party by comparison. I really don’t understand the “whatabout-ism” that pops up on MN whenever one party is debated. Eg I agree that theTories have a problem with Islamophobia but acknowledging that doesn’t lessen Labour’s huge problem with antisemitism.

I'm renewing this thread just to whinge about what seems to be another example of BBC / media bias against Corbyn.

In the wake of the current attack on London (ok, other people might have other priorities at the moment), I see that what is claimed to be the 10th most popular news stories on the BBC has the headline "Jeremy Corbyn not happy with shoot-to-kill policy". Visible here www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50604781

Coincidence? Just that a load of people are checking up his history again at the same time?

The story in question quotes David Cameron as prime minister and dates to 2015. It seems odd that it should suddenly find its way on to the front page at such a time.

the man is great, the policies are great. don't be fooled by the torries!