To ask supporters of porn to read this

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A missing 15 year old girl was spotted in videos hosted by Pornhub. Those of you who are “ok” with porn - are you “ok” with this?

The sentence the man involved in making the videos is for another thread, but is shocking.

I love tea, but I recently watched a documentary that showed 7 year old children spending all day everyday picking thousands of individual tea leaves for well known brands. It absolutely broke my heart and made me switch to more ethical brands.

The exploitation that occurs as a result of the tea, coffee, and still diamond mining is appalling, but I’m sure there are many women happily wearing uncertified diamond engagement rings having a cuppa right now.

I agree with @frostedviolets, regulation is the answer. Trying to ban an entire industry where we know exploitation may occur (tea, coffee, diamonds or porn), is futile.

@JaneSaysNo thank you for your post - along with other posts I’ve read elsewhere on MN written by sex workers (and some I follow on social media) this shows that most people who work in porn do it simply as a job - as in, like any other job.

We know that people - men, women and children - can be exploited anywhere and everywhere. However in this case it is in the sex industry,

It is heartbreaking to see women defending a man’s right to wank over the image of an exploited woman or girl

Yes, of course the article is heartbreaking @SerafinaPekkola, no-one is denying that, but no one is defending a man’s right to wank over the image of an exploited girl because not everyone who works in the sex industry is exploited.

What a lot of posters are trying to do is insinuate that watching any porn is somehow shameful. I watch pornhub. I tend to watch massage rooms, as it’s mostly the men doing the pleasing on there. I don’t watch anything that is violent or anyone who looks underage. Have they all consented? Do the women look abused? I’d say the women are rather enjoying themselves 🤷‍♀️😉.

I don’t feel guilty for doing this in the slightest. I’m not in a relationship atm so it’s the next best thing for me 😀.

Like pretty well any industry, it should be regulated, not banned

If a teen goes missing and ends up (probably willingly but illegally on Pornhub), that doesn't negate that fact that legal porn doesn't involve under-age girls

I don’t even know where to begin with this.

Well we now know the winner of the next "Sweeping Statements Olympics". Congratulations on your gold medal OP.

All this post has done is actually made me want to watch pint.

You don’t speak for all women OP, I have my own morals, my own stance and my own opinions.

Exploitation is EVERYWHERE take action to raise awareness of exploitation rather than TELL what you think they should be doing.

Be that male or female or child exploitation - human exploitation is always deplorable.

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I’d love to see a thread where somebody said something like “I can’t see the point in not buying palm oil free moisturiser because lots of other products have palm oil in them”

Personally I don’t buy it that people who work in porn simply enjoy the job or are part of a loving couple who choose to film themselves having sex.
It’s easy for women to have sex with men without being employed in porn.
Why would they take money and agree for their faces and bodies to be on the internet unless there was some element or coercion or desperation?
If you enjoy watching porn, would you be happy to have a film uploaded of you masturbating or having sex with your partner?
Would you be thinking about the consequences for your work or social life if these images got discovered or shared?

The problem I have with porn is that it seems exploitative and denigrating by its nature.
Yes there is exploitation everywhere but there is nothing in doing someone’s nails itself that is exploitative for example. I get my nails done by a friend who does it as her own business rather than going to a random nail bar.

And not using porn is an easy way to make sure you are contributing to the exploitation of women. People talk as if sex and porn are the same thing. As if nobody ever masturbated before porn.

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Why would they take money and agree for their faces and bodies to be on the internet unless there was some element or coercion or desperation?

Read Jane's post at 22.02 yesterday and you have your answer.

She's the only poster on this thread so far who has first hand experience of working in the porn industry and disagrees that porn is always and necessarily exploitative.

As previous posts have pointed out many industries can be exploitative. Trying to ban porn or shame watchers of it only deals with the symptoms not the cause.

The issue is other factors such as huge global power and monetary imbalances. Until worldwide inequality and poverty are eliminated there will always be the potential for exploitation of individuals. It's just how it is and how it has always been. Deal with the cause not the symptoms if you want to eliminate exploitation - shaming a handful of Mumnetters isn't suddenly going to change things.

Way back in the midsts of time I was coerced into having sex with my boss with the threat I would lose my job if I didn't - I came from a loving family and had lovely parents but I was living away from home and was young, poor and powerless - and so unhappily went along with it - we worked in a typical 80s corporate office - yet Jane's experience of the porn industry sounds way better than my experience of working in a typical London office. She was making an active, conscious and deliberate choice to make money out of sex, I on the other hand, was not. Who was the more exploited?

I can't really understand why porn is allowed. Especially in such an unregulated sense.

If you filmed people fighting for entertainment, even if those people are willing and like fighting, its not legal. Unless it was a regulated and licensed sporting event.

But you can film a woman being beaten, strangled, tied up and penetrated roughly, you can even show her crying and screaming in pain, but that's OK and legal because people get turned on by it. The woman doesn't even have to like it or be willing, just paid. Anyone can create this content and make money from it from their own home.

Well my only issue with the pp who said she had a positive experience of working in porn is that it seemed so at odds with other women’s accounts of working in porn.
Maybe she’s right and it was a rewarding satisfying job.
But just because some women say they are fine and not being exploited doesn’t mean this is true.
Otherwise women who are being sexually abused or domestically abused should just be believed and not supported further if they say they are fine and happy with how they are being treated.
I think it’s very hard to look at porn and not see exploitation.
I’m sorry to read what you went through at your workplace, that’s clearly wrong and you were taken advantage of when just trying do your career.
The thing about porn is exploitation of women seems to be in the job description.

Personally I don’t buy it that people who work in porn simply enjoy the job or are part of a loving couple who choose to film themselves having sex.

In the film "hot girls wanted" the girls at the start say that they love sex have high sex drives have no body hang ups and so think it's a good way to make money. As the film goes on you see that the the girls have all had some shit go on in their lives or, they think they are going to make it as a celebrity and live the high live through porn. They soon find out that this is not going to happen.

I think our consumerist society is a massive contributor to girls going into porn. Everyone wants to be rich and famous but alot don't want to work hard, they want it instantly. So they enter the sex industry because they see it as an easy way to make lots of money. Many girls today see having designer shoes and handbags, and a flash car as more important that respecting your body and privacy. They will most likey regret what they have done when they get older.

The reason porn exists is because quite a lot of people enjoy looking at depictions of others engaging in sexual activity. Porn didn't spring into being once the internet was invented.

And it isn't terribly difficult to seek out ethical porn, with willing. properly-paid and well-treated performers. You should pay for your porn if you like porn because paying for it dramatically improves the chances that the performers are being paid for their labour, and supports the ethical side of the industry.

@lessthanzero, what a crock of shit. I suppose you also think that SAHMs are lazy and that only rich men get to have sex because, waah, women refuse to date losers.

If porn wasn't as accepted the girl probably wouldn't have been found. I kinda think each to their own but I certainly don't agree with child sex trafficking and abuse. That's a separate issue to the legal porn industry which is a choice for some women.

I don't have a problem with consenting adults watching ethically produced pay-per-view porn, but that's not what is happening. The average age of first hardcore porn exposure is 11. Children are seeing things they don't understand and thinking it is sex education (and I am happy to back this up to academic peer reviewed research). Then, it affects how boys and girls see partners and what they want from them sexually (naked photos and video they can share plus anal sex and other fetishes which often don't involve mutual satisfaction). In essence, the adults for whom porn is made are fairly unaffected (though I think the number of men with porn addiction is underreported) but the young people who are viewing it aren't prepared to judge between reality and fiction.

I wonder if it's put the girl's mum off porn, it certainly would me if i saw my dc in it (not a fan anyway). And i don't buy the idea of accidentally seeing the image on pornhub, she would have been looking and then being horrified and heartbroken.

You'll never be rid of porn, the only thing to do is tight regulation and zero tolerance on unregulated porn- be it amateur or otherwise.

Also i think parents need to have frank conversations with their dc about porn, tighten up phone protection. While i really think schools should also discuss it in sex ed.

The porn industry is tragically having such a negative influence and has normalized many acts that are violent and we know young women in particular are often victims of being manipulated and abused

But erotica is something many (probably the majority) of adults enjoy they started off as story telling, art, sculptures, erotic dance and so on. Then photos, films and now internet and there has always been an interest in hardcore erotica the forbidden, taboo and at times violence - look at old erotic Japanese art

There is nothing wrong in erotica and it will change in time as what we have access to view and how we do has changed but that it’s has become so degrading particularly towards women is worrying it has to be regulated better

I watch gay male porn. Does that mean I'm all good cause no women are being exploited? (Jokes)

I take no issue with the concept of porn. Consenting adults having sexual relations on camera I think is fine. Unfortunately due to the nature of the industry this is rarely the case. It needs to be regulated and support resources need to be offered to the workers at the very least.

Anecdotally, I have worked in the adult industry and I would say of the 300 -500 women I've known, perhaps two have not been deeply damaged individuals prior to entering the industry. Lots of domestic abuse and csa prevalent. Lots of drug and alcohol abuse. I'm sure there are happy well adjusted people working in the porn industry but I've as of yet not met any. I am however still involved so if I come across any I'll be sure to update!

It just seems extraordinary to me that anyone would think “well, I know there’s a possibility that this woman being anally penetrated on the screen in front of me is not consenting, but I find it a real turn on, so I don’t care” How could you possibly think like that?

@Pinkpanther473 I'm sorry I don't fit your narrative of what an adult industry worker should be? The idea that some women work in porn because we like sex, the pay and hours are good, and it's easy if dull work really isn't that difficult.

@Lessthanzero "Hot Girls Wanted" would have been a much shorter documentary without the particular slant the producers wanted.

Every industry "expose" including the ones I've been in invariably takes one of a few different angles:

• Look how sad these women are! They are tragic! Tragic pasts! Tragic presents! Tragic, tragic, tragic!
• Look how awful this all is! How superior you are to people who do THIS for a living.
• Look how these girls are RUINING their LIVES! MORAL OUTRAGE!

And again, I'm absolutely certain women who fit the narratives exist. I'm sure there were women in it for the "fame" (this was slightly pre-Facebook and the social media wars so it was quite different) or the "lifestyle" (LA in particular was a bit...surreal for that sort of thing.) I'm just saying, no, that wasn't my motivation, nor was it what motivated any of the women I got to know well enough to remain in touch with over the years.

The reality of it that I have is so very different than what many of you have in your heads, clearly. Maybe it was working with so many American production and distribution companies, where the industry is heavily, HEAVILY regulated under 2257 laws, or that my motivations in choosing to work in adult entertainment weren't a tragic background or deep seated psychological trauma that I didn't see the seamy side. But porn produced by and distributed by reputable companies complying with reporting and recordkeeping laws is pretty much no different to any other media. It is as possible to consume ethical porn as easily as it is to purchase ethical diamonds, avoid palm oil, avoid textiles produced by slaves/children, etc.

Reality? Women I worked with had an average career span of 12-18 months, it's always cold, you always need lube, and auditioning men was enjoyable as 9.5 out of 10 wound up not being able to make it (they, too, had a very different idea of what the industry would be like, I suppose!)

But because it is a broad industry I freely admit I don't speak for everyone and I do wish people who have watched a documentary or two would stop speaking for me.