To ask supporters of porn to read this

[SmileEachDay]

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A missing 15 year old girl was spotted in videos hosted by Pornhub. Those of you who are “ok” with porn - are you “ok” with this?

The sentence the man involved in making the videos is for another thread, but is shocking.

Not a fungi a ‘fuck ton’!!!!

Lockheart I agree. It really needs tighter regulation, not an altogether ban.

@Bodyposiftw I agree. Although I am not surprised that people are making such generalised, sweeping arguments as it is much easier for them to condemn a whole industry than get to the root problems in a set part. The same way people condemn big pharma or politics or the meat industry. Every industry has issues somewhere but it is frustrating that people want to strike down the entire thing instead of really understand it.

@SmileEachDay 'woman who has been trafficked, drugged into compliance and is sustaining injuries during the course of the filming?'

That is not the reality of most women in porn though. They haven't been drugged, they don't usually sustain injuries, they haven't been trafficked.

They're women wanting to earn some money, though admittedly they mightn't 100% enjoy what they're doing, and some may come from difficult backgrounds.

As to shaming porn watchers:-

'A missing 15 year old girl was spotted in videos hosted by Pornhub. Those of you who are “ok” with porn - are you “ok” with this?'

This is clearly not ok to virtually everybody. By asking the question at all, you're implying that people who watch porn might be more ok with this than other people. This isn't the case. It's also maybe suggesting that watching porn somehow facilitates this.

Anyway to answer the OPs question, yes I am a huge supporter of porn (I read far too much fanfic back in the day).

That does not mean I think what you have posted about is OK.

I think avoiding watching rape and exploitation is quite an easy one

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Not all porn is nasty, degrading, hardcore stuff depicting violence.

As I say, I have watched a lot of porn over the years, thousands of videos probably, none depicting violence.

Some of the porn as a PP mentioned are home videos by normal, average people where they are having perfectly normal, loving sex.

Non violent porn is freely available.
Everyone latches onto the hardcore violent stuff (which I agree shouldn't be available) which makes up a small proportion of porn overall.

How do you make sure that the women involved are fully consenting, well paid and neither exploited or trafficked?

'Ethical' porn sites. People like Cindy Gallop and her Make Love Not Porn website are trying to provide people with porn while being able to ensure that sex is safe and consensual etc.

Like in all industries where exploration exists, there will always be people trying to do it ethically.

I'm assuming all your chocoholics our there are only eating Tony's chocolate as so far none of the others will agree to state that their chocolate is mad without the exploitation of children via gangs....

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Nobody, literally nobody, goes into working in the sex industry (emphasis on industry) unless they have some very fucked up stuff in their history. It's not at all comparable to the garment industry ffs. Many many people have worked in the rag trade happily. Nobody takes part in a porn film or prostitution without some history of abuse.
I know some won't beleive me, but the REALITY of sex work is way darker than you can imagine.

I love sex, I hate porn and the dehumanisation of women who are reduced to fuck holes.
It’s a horrible culture that’s shaping the next generations of young adults who won’t have a clue about how sex can be a mutual, awesome experience.

Love that.^^

Nobody, literally nobody, goes into working in the sex industry (emphasis on industry) unless they have some very fucked up stuff in their history

100% agree. There is no way a well rounded, happy and loved and well cared for young girl, grows up with dreams of being someone's wank sock.

And I'm not talking about the 'amatuer loving couples' just filming themselves making sweet love to one another, which everyone on this thread is proclaiming to watch 🤔. I am talking about the movie sex industry where women are used.

Nobody, literally nobody, goes into working in the sex industry (emphasis on industry) unless they have some very fucked up stuff in their history. It's not at all comparable to the garment industry ffs. Many many people have worked in the rag trade happily

You know every single person, male and female, in the sex industry personally do you?

What about all the couples who make amateur sex tapes of themselves then upload onto a free site, are they all abused as well?
All of them?
The men and the women?

When I mentioned clothes factories I was referring to child labour and the trafficking of people for cheap (illegal) labour.

The sex industry isn't the only 'dark' industry out there, they are all guilty of exploitation to some degree.

What women trafficked for sex work go through is absolutely horrendous but equally, there are many many people in all sorts of industries subject to abuse equal or greater to as well.

The answer is not to ban.

If you banned everything that had an element of abuse and exploitation of people in it you would lose pretty much every industry and drive them underground where those people would be abused even more severely.

The answer is to regulate way, way more harshly and have harsher penalties for those who break the rules.

There is a very unpleasant insinuation in some of the posts on this thread that women who watch porn must be unconcerned at best, supportive at worst of violence and oppression of women because 'porn is just nasty violence that degrades women' when that sort of porn makes up a small percentage of the porn available overall.

It is uncalled for and offensive.

A complete ignoring of the multiple other industries where people are also being drugged, beaten, starved etc it seems as only porn appears to be the bad guy and nothing compares to it.

@IfNot I think people are talking about child labour and exploitation in the clothing trade. Not some 18 year old who 'happily works in the rag trade'.

I am talking about the movie sex industry where women are used

The entire movie (and music) industry is exploitative.

Look at all the big child stars who have either gone off the rails or killed themselves.
And the Weinstein case!
One of the main characters of the Goonies is a lawyer now specialising in child exploitation.
Make of that what you will.

Exploitation is everywhere.
The answer is to regulate.

You can't ban everything.

I used to watch porn as a teen, I haven't for many years. I chose not to watch it as I cannot be sure that no one is being coerced, raped, injured or is underage or an addict. Even in 'amateur couples' videos you cannot be sure both parties are consenting - my abusive porn addict ex wanted us to film our own, and I caught him a few times filming on his phone. For all I know there are videos out there of me, which I did not consent to. In some of them I would be under 18.

My DP went to school with the woman who is in a BBC3 documentary about porn from a few years ago, she is a very very damaged person with a sad past. She attempts to put a good face on it in the film, but it's easy to see the reality.

No. The rag trade has some fucked up practices. People (usually women and children) get hurt. But plenty of people work in it in a normal way and are not exploited . The sex industry (think about that for a second-why should sex have an industry at all?) Is 100% populated by people who either cannot have a normal relationship to sex OR they are profiting from the continuation of earlier abuse.
Don't beleive me? Fine. But ask yourselves: why is it so important to you that at least some of the women and children involved in assisting your orgasm are well adjusted and safe? (they aren't by the way).
Sorry.

They're women wanting to earn some money, though admittedly they mightn't 100% enjoy what they're doing, and some may come from difficult backgrounds.

this bar is so low it would give limbo dancers pause for thought.

It’s interesting how many people posting equate porn to sex, when it really isn’t. Has anyone read any of the research from Gail Dines or Robert Jensen about the social issues relating to porn, such as expectation for sex, particularly in very young males who often encounter porn before sex and therefore grow up with certain expectations from their partners that are ultimately impossible to be met, or the research into male impotence and porn? Or female body image and porn?

There are many reasons why porn is bad, and yes trafficking and exploitation of the mentally ill are only the tip of the iceberg.

Isn’t the same*

Religion is infinitely more harmful to young people's sexual development than porn.

And I do find that my patience with the misinformed, unthinking and often utterly dishonest anti-porn 'activists' decreases more with time. As PP have posted, the exploitation of trafficked people is a huge problem affecting nail bars as well as agriculture, catering and construction, but porn-hating whiners are generally rather quiet on the subject - perhaps because they think that being beaten, blackmailed, threatened, forced into unsafe and filthy accommodation, starved and worked to exhaustion is OK as long as no sex is involved. Or because they like cheap clothes/food/domestic services and don't want to look at the provenance of these things too closely because, after all, it's not porn/not sex.

Oh FFS not Gail fucking Dines again. Witless dishonest propaganda from start to finish. Shitty research, too.

The sex industry...Is 100% populated by people who either cannot have a normal relationship to sex OR they are profiting from the continuation of earlier abuse.

Nobody, literally nobody, goes into working in the sex industry (emphasis on industry) unless they have some very fucked up stuff in their history.

NC for blindingly obvious reasons, but seriously, stop speaking for me.

My name is Jane and in the early part of the 2000s I worked in porn. I made probably two or three dozen films, did at least two photo shoots per month, and appeared on at least one reasonably large distributed television network.

I do not have an unhealthy relationship with sex. I was never abused or traumatised. I don't have a drug habit. I was not coerced. I did porn because I like sex and because the money was good. I worked with established production companies here and in LA.

Do the women you're describing exist? Certainly, I hardly interviewed every sex partner I had to determine their motivations for getting into porn or got an in-depth background story on every one. Neither me, nor any of the women I'm still in touch with from those days, have anything like that in our past. One or two were very heavily into doing lesbian scenes as a way of exploring their own sexuality, one certainly surprised herself that way!

Some were certainly hard up for cash, single mothers, leaving abusive relationships, or really really REALLY just wanted attention. I met at least one hardcore drug addict but once that came to light she never worked with any of the companies I worked with again. I met more than a few of the "loving couple" types everyone is throwing around on this thread, they exist.

I never met anyone who was being coerced into working. Most women would turn up, do the contractor paperwork, get to work (in a freezing cold studio with just some of the most legitimately fake performances known to mankind) and then go.

The fact is you don't speak for women in the adult industry, nor should you make assumptions about their pasts or motivations any more than I do about you. And don't speak for us. Thanks.

I support people's right to watch porn if they so wish.

If a teen goes missing and ends up (probably willingly but illegally on Pornhub), that doesn't negate that fact that legal porn doesn't involve under-age girls.

As for the comments about men, don't women look at porn too?

Mainstream news site for anyone concerned about the original link.

I'm with you, @SmileEachDay, it's horrific.

@IfNot that sweeping generalisation is totally wrong and wholly unfounded. I used to work in sexual health. I saw women who worked in the porn industry regularly (their employers asked them for certificates of health). These women were not coerced into anything. They were largely normal women who made the conscious decision to do it. There was one woman I saw fairly regularly that was changing from a very average, mainstream career to the porn industry. These people do exist, but they do not represent the whole porn industry.

Just like traffiked, abused girls do not represent the entire industry.