To ask supporters of porn to read this

[SmileEachDay]

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A missing 15 year old girl was spotted in videos hosted by Pornhub. Those of you who are “ok” with porn - are you “ok” with this?

The sentence the man involved in making the videos is for another thread, but is shocking.

Wandered by accident (honest) onto a documentary about porn and people making and using it.

The boys/young men who used it said they expected sex with a partner to be like porn and often pushed limits before realising porn wasn't normal sex.

A porn star (male) said it had been getting more and more violent and rough sex was more the norm now in films and commented that he admired a female he had recently worked with as she was 'tough' and had taken a lot in the making of the film. He said it used to be a depiction of consensual sex, but was now much more about rough non consensual sex.

I dislike porn intensely and think it has made sexual relationships difficult, particularly for women

@JaneSaysNo - can I ask two questions. Are there exploited women in the pornindustry and if there are, how do you tell which ones they are? And would you encourage your daughter to work in the porn industry?

Given the extremely high rates of domestic violence, would you encourage your daughter to live with or marry a man? Does it not worry you that by being married or living with a man yourself you are endorsing or condoning the idea that marriage, which frequently involves domestic violence, is a desirable life choice?

Nail bars in the UK frequently use enslaved trafficked women and fruit-picking operations frequently use enslaved trafficked men and women. SURELY the answer is to work hard to crack down on illegality and exploitation using existing laws rather than introducing further restrictions.

Oh give over, ReanimatedSGB. You should at least declare an interest before you take part in discussions on this subject..

Whataboutery just weakens your argument.

Can you explain why porn has moved from cheeky Robin Asquith to choking and anal in 4 decades? Why does it have to escalate?

Oh give over, ReanimatedSGB. You should at least declare an interest before you take part in discussions on this subject

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The arguments about nail bars and other exploitative industries - you do realise that it’s not an argument against porn, yes? It’s an argument that porn is one of a number of industries that exploit people. I think that being trafficked and then repeatedly raped is an additional layer of abuse, and I think people having orgasms watching this (or having orgasms knowing this is a possibility) is another level of disregard for other humans.

Using other really explorative industries as a “gotcha OP” is just a really self defeating argument.

@lessthanzero, what a crock of shit. I suppose you also think that SAHMs are lazy and that only rich men get to have sex because, waah, women refuse to date losers.

I don't understand how that relates to my comment. FYI I am a sahm.

There are 100s of interviews with sex workers and all the women go on about how much easy money is in it. People always go on about how not all the girls are coerced victims. From what I can see that one's that aren't just do it to gain a flashy lifestyle.

being trafficked and then repeatedly raped is an additional layer of abuse, and I think people having orgasms watching this (or having orgasms knowing this is a possibility) is another level of disregard for other humans.

It is all well and good to come out with things like this in the abstract. But in practice think of the number of what-ifs that would have to happen all at once. The unfortunate victims of trafficking tend to be certain nationalities. They tend to be at the "anonymous" end of the fame spectrum. They would have to be rather good actresses in order to give nothing away (I mean they are being raped yet they talk, look, act, vibe, body-language, and otherwise present in every single way just like people who are acting consentually typically do). That's Several different factors all coinciding all at once in the current video.

If you are watching an unknown Eastern-European performer who has the generic name "Petra" in a video shot in a studio in Russia then maybe, but if you are watching some reasonably famous performer who maybe atends the AVNs, maybe has her own official fan club, her own social media accounts, well the number of what-ifs needed for the possibility mentioned above, begin to multyply.

Can you explain why porn has moved from cheeky Robin Asquith to choking and anal in 4 decades? Why does it have to escalate?

Different websites produce different content. There are oceans of sites that do not feature either act. But the ones that do? Well I am sure you already know the answer. Because people buy their stuff. (not that I believe that choking is a mainstream activity). Guess not as many people buy the Confessions films anymore.

@SmileEachDay
But if you worked in high production ethically made porn, how do you know that experience of the women that are working in other branches of the porn industry? You seem to be saying no women in porn are exploited, damaged, addicts or coerced, but you say you only worked in the top end of the market.

Jap

I wish there was a block function on here. It’s infuriating that you will now derail any discussion with a deluge of disingenuous bollocks.

Lessthanzero

I think you @‘d the wrong poster..

@Lessthanzero I think you meant to @ me and I also think you’ll find in both of my posts that I said those women certainly do exist.

@BertrandRussell Same - of course there are exploited woman, same as some of the other industries discussed. How would you know?

• they don’t have appropriate visas/right to work
• they don’t have control of their own passports
• they aren’t allowed to complete their own paperwork
• they aren’t tax registered as independent contractors
• they can’t pass or won’t take a medical/drug screen and don’t have current results on file with a reputable agency
• they don’t have a reel, or if they do it doesn’t contain work performed with a reputable agency

As far as what I will feel about a hypothetical daughter performing legal sex work, I know what you’d like to hear. It’s one of two things: either “Yes of course I’d be OK with that!” or “No, I wouldn’t want that for MY daughter!” but I’m afraid I can’t give you the satisfaction of either. If my hypothetical child told me tomorrow they wanted to engage in legal adult industry work, I would have to assess that based on the situation they were looking to create for themselves. Some of the questions are ones I asked of any woman who asked me about it: who would you work with? What is their reputation? What working conditions? What is the contract like? Have you been on set to see how they work? What is the distribution? I would have to ask all of that and more, plus I’d have to refamiliarise myself with an industry I’ve been out of for the better part of two decades.
Would there be a situation in which I said yes? Sure. There are just a lot of variables to be explored before I would get there.

Sorry I @ the wrong person my post was supposed to be to @JaneSaysNo

@JaneSaysNo do you have children or are you planning too. Do you not worry the effects your job will have on any current or future offspring.

It just seems extraordinary to me that anyone would think “well, I know there’s a possibility that this woman being anally penetrated on the screen in front of me is not consenting, but I find it a real turn on, so I don’t care” How could you possibly think like that?

That's what it boils down to for me too.

@lessthanzero I do; as I’ve been out of the industry for 15 years I’m curious as to what you think those effects might be?

As with opposition to sex work that isn't filmed, all the handwringers consistently and deliberately fail to understand that prohibitive, punitive approaches do a great deal more harm than good: stigma and criminalisation put far more people at risk than they 'protect.

FWIW the solution to trafficking is simply to allow free movement of people (whether or not those people want to have sex for money, or pick vegetables, or provide manicures etc).

The solution to individuals being decieved, ripped off or otherwise mistreated in porn is to subject it to the same regulations as any other workplace - fair pay, contracts that you can understand, risk assessment - and to treat any performer who complains of assault or fraud as, you know, a valid human being with a valid complaint, not a silly bitch who should have known better than to take up the work in the first place.

But we still have this massive, superstition-based cultural legacy of fear and dislike of recreational sex and of female sexual autonomy when the woman's choice isn't to refuse/avoid sex or only to exchange it for a wedding ring.

But we still have this massive, superstition-based cultural legacy of fear and dislike of recreational sex and of female sexual autonomy when the woman's choice isn't to refuse/avoid sex or only to exchange it for a wedding ring

This doesn’t represent my view even remotely.

We are in a situation in which companies could be properly regulated and inspected, but they arnt. Why is that?

The problem with something like pornhub is that it simply a video hosting site

Porn has escalated because thata what capitalism does. The next person is always willing to go further to make more money

Porn has escalated because thata what capitalism does. The next person is always willing to go further to make more money

Partly. And partly because a proportion of the users need an ever increasing “hit” to experience the same high.

Oh NOOOOOO if you look at one nipple the next thing you're on the slippery slope to having to watch live dismemberment to get your thrills... That's another piece of nonsense repeatedly peddled by the anti-porn industry. People like and want a variety of different things when it comes to sex-based entertainment and always have done.

Also, these days, a lot of the more lurid myths about the horrors of porn are coming from places which are... not exactly invested in the freedom and safety of women.

ReanimatedSGB- remind me. How are/were you connected to the porn industry?