To ask supporters of porn to read this

[SmileEachDay]

meaww.com/missing-teen-adult-video-pornhub-modelhub-snapchat-periscope

A missing 15 year old girl was spotted in videos hosted by Pornhub. Those of you who are “ok” with porn - are you “ok” with this?

The sentence the man involved in making the videos is for another thread, but is shocking.

@frostedviolets what do you actually do to ensure that the porn you use us ethical?

You’re targeting the wrong people for your ire. Not end user that is guilty is it?

'orgasming to women being abused' etc

If you use porn there's a fair chance this is happening some of the time. You're not denying the abuse in the industry or you wouldn't be doing all the whataboutery.

If you still manage to get turned on by it then I don't know what to say really.

We have at least now had an admission that ethical or acceptable porn can and does exist, which is good. It took a long time, but wee got there in the end.

So, is porn bad? It depends.

I have answered questions as best I can re avoiding exploitation, how to regulate etc but it is clear to me that like reanimated said, there is no getting people to even understand your viewpoint

Your answers revealed an astonishing ignorance slash naivety about the sex industry and the internet. Most teenagers would know better than the stuff you came out with. All the more astonishing given your apparent porn fetish.

We have at least now had an admission that ethical or acceptable porn can and does exist, which is good. It took a long time, but wee got there in the end.

We had a claim that one particular company was ethical and then it turned out not to be.

No, we had an admission that there can be non-problematic erotica in video format.

And it’s about time we did, as that point had been dodged over and over again.

“ We have at least now had an admission that ethical or acceptable porn can and does exist, which is good. It took a long time, but wee got there in the end.”
Have we? Someone mentioned Erika Lush-there are serious questions about her ethical standpoint. Apart from that people have been very cagey about how they ensure the ethics of the porn the watch, and in at least one case, make.

No, we had an admission that there can be non-problematic erotica in video format.

From whom.

Frosted - there is your view as you’ve expounded in her, as predictably as many before you. But then there is actual reality.

When you navigate a site such as YouPorn, en route to your fave “ethical” porn star, you are bombarded from the first second with video previews playing on loop of forced blowjobs, supposed incest, forced anal, gang rape, facials / choking, face slapping and you name it. Everything you could imagine and something for everyone indeed Plus quite a lot you couldn’t imagine. All this is accompanied by the mist utterly vile misogynistic titles, blatantly designed as click bait - “slender teen destroyed by rough anal by stepdad”. I don’t need to go on. This is the reality of the user experience on these sites. You are exposed to so much more than you might be looking for and one thing leads to another because of the way the sites are created.

I would say that its you that has a repressive view of female sexuality. This is because you seem to see it as synonymous with gimmicks. Porn is just a gimmick. Pathetic videos of unattractive women and even more unattractive men, usually in some seedy room or set pretending they’re enjoying it. The fact is, the vast majority of porn is not erotic - it’s made in the cheap; it’s cringeworthy and crap, frankly. The average woman in Tesco probably has a better sex live than anything portrayed in porn. You do realise, female (and male) sexuality goes deeper? Some of us actually have imagination and don’t need gimmicks to get off. Yes it’s possible and has been since the beginning of time. Imagine! Do you think women only became truly sexually liberated with the advent of internet porn . Some of us may actually have come to the conclusion that real life is preferable to simulated sex and all the reprehensible shit and inherent exploitation that unfortunately accompanies it.

You do realise, female (and male) sexuality goes deeper? Some of us actually have imagination and don’t need gimmicks to get off. Yes it’s possible and has been since the beginning of time

And porn in one form or another has been around since the beginning of time too. You will not eradicate it. You may not get off on it but some of us do - and yeah I'm perfectly capable of using my imagination too but sometimes I like to watch porn.

And sure you can poo-poo the idea of ethical porn but it exists and it's not boring - theres the winning films of the Feminist Porn Awards for a start. Also many female performers use SM (that's social media NOT sado masochism just to be clear) such as Instagram and YouTube to talk about their lives and their performances - by watching the stuff they perform in a consumer of porn can be more certain they are not watching films where the women are being exploited.

Magazines such as Marie Clare and papers such as The Metro have published articles on ethical porn and how to find it if anyone's interested.

And sure you can poo-poo the idea of ethical porn but it exists“
Great. Tell me where you find the porn you watch, and who makes it. Just check your history and tell us what the last thing you watched was.

Great. Tell me where you find the porn you watch, and who makes it. Just check your history and tell us what the last thing you watched was

None of your bloody business what the last thing I watched was. Not that I'm answerable to you but most of what I watch is sourced via the avenues I mentioned above - particularly via a female porn star I follow on Instagram and chat to on SM. So shoot me.

Imagine a world in which there were allsorts of free websites hosting thousands upon thousands of free videos portraying violent acts against a particular ethnic group, for instance. Replace all the titles containing the word “slut” or “bitch” with racist terms instead, such as the “n” word or the “p” word. Then imagine thousands upon thousands of click-bait titles trying to entice us to eatch this particular group being choked, utinstrd on, slapped, gang raped or humiliated in whatever way imaginable. What do we think would happen here?

Because this is exactly what’s portrayed as happening on free porn websites, except it’s happening to women.

Would it be enough to say, “Well no, I don’t think this is necessarily as bad as people think it is because I know of a few individuals in these films who say they are in control. They were in Marie Claire. So don’t worry about the other 95%. We just all need to be more open minded. Anyway... Hypocrites! There are other bad things going on in the world too, you know. I, for one, always make sure I buy free trade bananas.”

They were in Marie Claire. So don’t worry about the other 95%

Don't be ridiculous. No-one said "don't worry about the other 95 per cent"
You are wilfully misrepresenting what I said. To be clear:
There is ethical porn - I don't have an issue with it and I like to watch it.
There is abuse and exploitation of women in porn and many other industries - and that I have an issue with.

What do we think would happen here?

The people who have no interest in such things would ignore them and watch from the ocean of clips that aren't like that.

P,S, I must be very lucky as I seem to have kept missing all these videos of choking and slapping and people being urinated on etc)

I don’t mean you personally, onemore. No idea what you’re watching, but the fact is, the vast majority of people and particularly teens, use the free porn sites and regardless of what any individual can claim to be looking for on those, the extreme abusive scenes and misogyny that characterise maybe 95% of what you have to navigate through, are impossible to avoid because they’re playing on loop regardless of what you click on. So even if you are in fact watching something remotely “ethical”, chances are you will have navigated and clicked through a lot of content that is far from ethical to get there.

Oh but waa, waa, destroying the sex industry will make everything OK

Oo, are we going to have some claims that 'erotica' is OK but 'porn' is not? Haven't had any of those for a while. If you want to play that game, you need to start with your definitions - are you using 'erotica' for text-based sexually exciting material as distinct from pictures? Or are you going to say that still/moving pictures can be erotic rather than pornographic as long as they appeal to middle-class sensibilities, or are drawings rather than photographs or something?

Do t be daft

*Aashna sure I take your point but I was responding more to the posters who were saying ethical porn doesn't exist and mocking those of us saying it does.

I know ethical porn seems like an oxymoron but I wanted to make the point that there are people in the industry who are doing their best to make ethical stuff in which performers are treated well with respect and paid properly (other things too - there's a code for how performers should be treated but I'm tired so can't be bothered to find it at the moment).

P,S, I must be very lucky as I seem to have kept missing all these videos of choking and slapping and people being urinated on etc)

Me too, horrendous stuff, and whilst I realise that there are men and women who actively enjoy doing that IRL I would never watch it online, as you really don’t know if they truly are enjoying it - but I guess it’s what some people might search for when accessing the site.

Blimey Aashna that is some detail you’ve noticed. I’d never actually heard of YouPorn - don’t think it’s a place I’d want to visit either.

I buy free trade bananas 😀 (however from what I’m learning on here I’m not quite sure how non-exploitive even they are now )

This is from Marie Claire.“Porn is no different to any other venture; if you haven’t paid for it, someone along the line isn’t being paid fairly to make it ”
Presumably nobody on here uses free porn? Good.
And as for porn v.erotica- if it doesn’t use real human beings in any way then fill yer boots. Regardless of class sensibility.

There is abuse and exploitation of women in porn and many other industries - and that I have an issue with.

Name a U.K. industry that abuses and exploits women to the extent of prostitution.