To ask supporters of porn to read this

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A missing 15 year old girl was spotted in videos hosted by Pornhub. Those of you who are “ok” with porn - are you “ok” with this?

The sentence the man involved in making the videos is for another thread, but is shocking.

I refuse to stop watching all porn OP unless you stop wearing all clothes or consuming any drink that you haven't entirely made yourself

Every video rental and second hand dvd shop I've been in here has had a sizeable porn and adult section. Japan produced loads of non-animated video porn

This is news to me.
In any case, as a PP said Japan is so wildly different to the west in their sexual tastes the two aren't really comparable.

The west, thank god, is almost universally disgusted by the sexualisation of children.

You’re very cross.

Oh I see now.

pink

I have no idea why you have jumped into my thread and started calling me names.

The thing is OP, for me anyway. I'd genuinely be interested to know why people stopping watching porn is such a unique and special topic.

If you can explain why you still drink coffee even though you know there is abuse and horrid things happening to coffee workers around the globe, but why porn is different to this we could stand a chance of understanding you, and supporting your point.

Instead you just brand us all 'whatabouterers'

You don't NEED coffee. But you still drink it. People don't NEED porn. But they still watch it. You don't know that the coffee in your cup is made fair to all.

If you don't drink coffee insert alternative item.

Pink

It is Whataboutery though. It’s a refusal to engage in the issue of exploitation, rape and children in the porn industry.

And as many, many posters have repeatedly pointed out, many of us do make ethical choices. It’s not news that other industries exploit - it’s also not what the news story that inspired this thread is about.

Ok. In answer to your question I'm not ok that a 15 year old girl was raped. I can't possibly know which porn is ethical or not. But YABU to think the answer is the scrap all porn.

Your porn is my coffee.

Ok. In answer to your question I'm not ok that a 15 year old girl was raped. I can't possibly know which porn is ethical or not

Thank you for that straight answer.

Do you still use porn, knowing that?

Do you still use porn, knowing that?

Well I only found out 50 minutes ago.

Well I only found out 50 minutes ago 😂😂😂

I meant that it was unethical, but that was very funny.

I couldn't state what I will do in the future. That would be whatifery

Cross post, I see what your question was now.

I actually like porn by Erika Lust. She's part of the feminist porn movement. Not sure if that's relevant. But I feel her porn is as ethically done as porn could be, if that makes sense.

I’m finding it incredibly frustrating that no matter how often people say that they do everything they can to make ethics choices in all their purchases, the “pro porn” posters are still saying “But what about chocolate and nail bars?” and implying that those of us who dislike porn are anti sex and prudish. It’s almost as if we’re typing in invisible ink!

Ok, so say we boycott porn, we also boycott Mars - should be just as easy an ask ...who/what else should we boycott? Where does boycotting any and every company that deals in exploitation lead to? What are the implications for those who work in these businesses who are not being exploited? Or should there be tighter regulation - some of the suggestions made by frosted above?

It leads to greater income and financial stability competing brands that don't use slaves, is where it leads. Brands who do use slave labour, will, given enough incentive, make the effort to change their labour model and gain fair-trade accreditation.

It doesn't matter how many times you keep finding new ways to say that you think bothering about it is pointless, I'm not going to agree.

So, buy an up-to-date copy of the Good Shopping Guide and make brand decisions based on that. This is a sample page of the washing up brand comparison table from an old copy.

It’s almost as if we’re typing in invisible ink!

No we understand what you're saying we just don't agree with your argument.

No we understand what you're saying we just don't agree with your argument

It’s not about agreeing. It’s about several of us saying “yes, I do make ethical choices in other areas of life” and then posters saying “ah ha but there are other areas of life where exploitation happens so you are just picking on porn because you’re a prude”

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I’ll try again. I believe very strongly, as many people do, in contributing as little as possible to exploitation, people trafficking and modern slavery. This means I shop as ethically as I can. Obviously this is harder in some areas than others, so when I see something I can do easily-like not using nail bars, or hand car washes, then I do it. Not using porn seems to me to fit into the “no brainer” category. There is no way of telling whether the participants are willing, well paid, well cared for and fully consenting. So don’t use it.

Yes, in an ideal world, I suppose, there would be full and effective regulation of porn, and full employment rights and protection for participants. But that’s not going to happen any time soon- and I can’t actually see how the average “shopper” could do anything to make that happen.

How hard is it to find Fair Trade coffee? Impossible to find Fair Trade porn on Porn sharing websites. And revolting to think you might be getting off sexually to abuse or crime ‘by mistake’.

It’s such a pathetic, deflective argument to be bringing up other types of exploitation to justify the existence of porn. It’s a futile attempt at gaslighting. Clearly, if you follow that argument to it’s logical conclusion, nothing will ever matter.

“Yes I did beat my wife, but who are you to condemn me? You once went to Saudi Arabia so you would do well to think about what goes on there. Meanwhile, I’ll just carry on punching her with no conscience because other things happen eh?”

How hard is it to find Fair Trade coffee?

Actually, my coffee is Taylor's of Harrogate which is UTZ certified, so I've always been happy with that as an ethical choice.

Except when I read this morning that both rainforest alliance and UTZ farms have been found to be breaking the rules.

'Fair trade' certified coffee is certainly easy to find, but I think genuinely fair trade coffee probably isn't.

Obviously those regulations need to be be more strongly improved and implemented.

Much like something else being discussed on this thread...

Yes, in an ideal world, I suppose, there would be full and effective regulation of porn, and full employment rights and protection for participants

Yes! Exactly.

But that’s not going to happen any time soon

Not with that attitude it won't...

I can’t actually see how the average “shopper” could do anything to make that happen

• Seek out and pay for ethical porn companies.

They aren't hard to find, few seconds on google will reveal them.

• Campaign for regulation

I think we shouldn’t get drawn into a debate about coffee as it’s just feeding in to the gaslighting which prevents people focusing on the important matter of the thread.

If certain posters want to start a thread about exploitation in the coffee industry, please feel free to do so. I promise so won’t come on twist the debate into a discussion about porn. Because that would be pointless, wouldn’t it?