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To ask FIL to stop calling DD his pretty princess?

363 replies

Howdidido · 21/10/2019 17:26

It grates me. DD4 is FILs first grand-daughter. They had 5 some and only grandsons so far.
DD doesn't particularly like being called a princess (except when dressed as a princess) and we're trying to get her to value her kindness and mind more than looks. The problem is she is adorable. (Biased obvs!) Waiters call her a princess and she replies that she's not.
But FIL is always on about how pretty his princess is. It really gets on my nerves
Otherwise lovely grandparents. They do have a tendency to overbuy pint very fluffy/sparkly clothes for her. Lots of princess/unicorn/sparkle stuff.
I know, they've only got 1 GD but can't they big up how clever she is, or strong, or everything else, like they do with all their grandsons?

Any suggestions of what I can say without offending gratefully received!

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1Morewineplease · 22/10/2019 20:35

Just let it go. It’s a generational thing. Each generation is better informed than the previous. Always has been. You don’t need to create waves on this. When she’s old enough then you can explain . Be grateful that you have kind and thoughtful grandparents for your children.

TellMeWhoTheVilliansAre · 22/10/2019 20:50

*It's generational but if you both dislike it that much just take them to one side and tell them your DD doesn't like it.

Ask them to replace the word pretty with clever as DD prefers it.*

What if DD likes being called pretty? OP hasn't said her daughter doesn't like it. She said her and her husband don't like it. The child, from what OP says seems fine with it. She doesn't like strangers calling her princess, but seems OK with her grandad.

If OP doesn't like it, then she should tell her fil that SHE doesn't like it, nor that her daughter doesn't.

TellMeWhoTheVilliansAre · 22/10/2019 20:52

*not that her daughter doesn't

MarshaBradyo · 22/10/2019 20:52

Agree that if the dd doesn’t mind the op shouldn’t say she does

Ninkaninus · 22/10/2019 20:56

It’s not a debate at all in my view, either. Particularly not in your daughter’s situation, where her treatment will be highlighted even more so against that of the male grandchildren.

And, fgs, ‘oh dear, why are you being mean?’?? Is that where mumsnet has come to? The lack of critical faculty is astounding. I could laugh if I weren’t close to crying. But there have always been those who see and understand, and those who don’t. We’re fighting a losing battle, really.

Localocal · 22/10/2019 21:02

If it were her father calling her Princess I think you could talk about it. But a grandfather is not going to influence her sense of self the way a father does. Her takeaway from the nickname is going to be "Grandpa loves me even though he doesn't completely get me." That's an ok thing to get from your grandfather, I think. You and your DP will be reinforcing the values you want to reinforce. You don't need every single person in her life to toe the line.

My dad called me Princess when I was little. He also raised me to call myself a feminist and not let anything stand in my way, and that my brains and hard work would take me anywhere I wanted to go. We are great intellectual mates and he has supported every unorthodox road I have taken (lots of them.) He taught me to think for myself and stand up for myself, and we still have a lively and close intellectual connection. And he still calls me Princess. I think it's sweet. It's saying I love you just because you are mine.

Localocal · 22/10/2019 21:06

And BTW I am a sufficiently radical feminist to be sympathetic to Germaine Greer on the trans thing (though I don't fully agree with her) and to have tried like billy-o to get my sons to play with dolls and take dancing lessons. And I share your strong distaste for the whole gender divide thing altogether. But as we said in the fight for marriage equality, love is never wrong.Smile

winniestone37 · 22/10/2019 21:25

Girls being taught their looks give them value is an awful thing to do- stunned most posters here don’t realise that. It’s a cross women carry their whole lives. By all means mention it, do it nicely and leave it there.

Catsinthecupboard · 22/10/2019 22:10

I don't think nicknames change who you are. My daughter is beautiful. I mean (when she bothers to clean up) men have fallen over themselves to get a better look at her. She ignores them, bc she understands it's one facet of her.

I was a "pretty" girl when I was young. (Not sure now...aging is not a generous friend)

My mother never told me that I was pretty. She told me as an adult, she "didn't want me to have a swollen ego."

That was HORRIBLE!!! Every person wants to be good looking. My poor ego was deflated. I had to seek help to find self-confidence. My early life would have been far less torturous if I had known that I was pretty. Or at least not a "no neck. Round like a pumpkin face" person. She used to quote "oh to see ourselves as others see us." To me. Or "it's more important to be smart than pretty." On and on until i was a wreck. I didn't dare think of myself as pretty.

Not difficult to know I chose rotten men or why is it? Lack of self esteem Queen.

So. I tell my daughter that she is pretty. I also tell her that she's smart, funny, strong, creative and athletic. I tell my son that he's handsome, smart, funny, interesting too.

They are both aware that they are goodlooking ....but also aware that looks aren't everything. But they are important. Of course they are. Just like all parts of them are.

This modern hoo-ha about non-gender/gender neutral isn't something you can force. Males and females are different. They do things differently. Their brains work differently.

Give your children confidence by teaching them that they can do whatever they wish to accomplish by hard work and intelligent thought. Our dd will be an engineer bc she wants to be (if she's not permanently brain damaged by distracted driver). She was as girly girl as anyone God ever made. I used to watch her in her pink clothes out distancing her brother's friends in the park. Bc nobody told her she couldn't. We cheered her to run fast.

Let dc wear what they want. Let them be called loving, lavish nicknames. Ffs stop trying to get them to play with gender neutral/fluid/wtf ever toys. Let them follow their curiosity.

Unless you're like my mother and tell them that they can't do things, or their accomplishments were "things everyone can do." Or they are ugly, THEN you have problems. Most dc have unerring sense of right and wrong; they know they aren't really a princess, but to grandfather, they are. Well. Isn't that wonderful? Maybe all the bridezilla brides would calm down if they felt princess-y as beloved dgc when they were young?
Dc don't need signs or shirts to be successful; they need support. Both genders need support that they are good people. That's love and unwavering commitment. Celebrate who they are and they will believe that they are capable of almost anything.

Catsinthecupboard · 22/10/2019 22:19

@pampooveyscow

I was much like you describe when younger.
So glad you found a wonderful dp! Me too. Makes a big difference to be thought of as prettySmile

Not sure that I'm as pretty as he thinks but I am certainly happy to be given the compliments.

OctoberLovers · 22/10/2019 23:46

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Aridane · 23/10/2019 01:36

Ask them to replace the word pretty with clever as DD prefers it

What if she isn't clever...

Compliments for compliments sake, meh.

Endearments, yes

mizzmelli · 23/10/2019 06:38

Well if thats the only worry you have in your life!! My DD calls me eggy Queen and shes my eggy princess lol. my little lad is called a gorgous hairy eggplant by me! Its just terms of endearment.

Sweetpeach3 · 23/10/2019 06:46

My dad has names for all the kids. Calls my niece spud" and my DD Winnie- winged a lot as a baby an stuck lol but think it's just a grandparent thing ?

But I I call my little boy sweat pea and my little girl is my princess peach. Not sure were they came from but hey haha they answer to them before their names so il use them 🙋🏼‍♀️
But if youR DD doesn't like it just make him aware an state she likes been called princess but only in her princess dresses. She likes to be called a cleaver clogs or grandads brain box ?
don't know if other nicknames so please don't be offended by them cos I wouldn't be but just make him aware x

Mummadeeze · 23/10/2019 06:55

My DD’s Dad has always called her princess and she doesn’t mind despite the fact that she has never been into the Disney princesses and finds toys like that too girly. It is an affectionate nickname and will not harm her or stop her being who she is. He is basically saying she is really special to him and that is it. I can’t help telling our DD that she is pretty sometimes because I love her face. She is the most beautiful person in the world to me inside and out and I give her a range of compliments. I kind of wished she liked pink and girly things because I do, but her favourite colour is blue and she likes computer games and anime. They will become who they are no matter what little nicknames you give them. I honestly think you need to chill and enjoy having doting grandparents.

SarahNade · 23/10/2019 07:03

It sounds to me like some of your prejudice against princess/princessy things has rubbed off on your daughter and she may feel she has to say no to it because that is the vibe you are giving her. I think it's sad that some mothers make an issue out of the term princess. Who says it's an either/or scenario? Why can't it be both, why can't you encourage FIL to also comment on her intelligence and other attributes, while at the same time still calling her a princess? Princesses can be smart, brave, strong, kind. They aren't mutually exclusive and I feel it's a shame that young girls are given a complex about being a princess and not able to enjoy being pretty/wearing pretty things. I think making girls feel ashamed of wanting to look pretty is more harmful than the term princess. Let her be both.

Thornhill58 · 23/10/2019 07:31

To your FIL she is a princess. She isn't any less for it. My cat is called Reina(Queen) clearly she isn't but to me she is. Not the same I know but it's just the way we see others.
You need to chill out.

Snog · 23/10/2019 08:40

My dd really disliked the idea of being a princess. She said if it had to be anything then Queen is better.

It sounds annoying OP. If you have asked FIL to stop already I would try and rise above it or joke about it with dd.

saraclara · 23/10/2019 08:55

It sounds to me like some of your prejudice against princess/princessy things has rubbed off on your daughter and she may feel she has to say no to it because that is the vibe you are giving her.

Yep

rise above it or joke about it with dd. belittling her granddad's expression of his love for her sounds a really shitty thing to do. And would be far more damaging than the name is.

jwpetal · 23/10/2019 09:15

Put her in the clothes her GP buys her and do all the fun things you normally do like playing, climbing and being strong. Change the narrative. As long as they don't exclude her or treat her differently from the other GCs then just watch to make sure nothing else is different.

luluw41 · 23/10/2019 09:32

My dad use to call me Prinny (abbreviated from Princess). At the time I didn’t really think much about it but now I’m middle aged I look back on it fondly.
I think it odd your dd doesn’t like it tbh or maybe she picks up on your dislike of it.
I think you are really lucky that your dd has grandparents that love her and dote on her. Many parents would love grandparents that took an interest in their children. Some of us haven’t been so lucky...

derxa · 23/10/2019 09:57

But DH has a different background. This is the nub of it OP. You're a middle class snob.

M3lon · 23/10/2019 10:33

Wow this thread has gone from bad to worse.

Now there's something wrong with a little girl if she DOESN'T have any interest in princesses? It must be the parents malign influence?

FUCK THAT SHIT

There is nothing normal, useful or helpful about society pushing little girls into being interested in princesses, unicorns, pink or glitter.

Helendee · 23/10/2019 10:42

M3lon

Equally there is nothing wrong with little girls wanting those very things, or little boys for that matter.

TellMeWhoTheVilliansAre · 23/10/2019 10:57

People seem to be going to the other extreme now of keeping girls away from anything pink or glittery. Just let kids form their own interests and indeed allow them to form their own bonds and relationships with people in their lives who love them.

I have 2 daughers, one was mostly dressed in her brothers blue, grey, navy handme downs! She as soon as she could walk would gravitate towards anything pink and sparkly. My other daughter was probably dressed more in "girls" colours and loves unicorns, and construction, and Star Wars (Darth Vadar is her favourite).

Keep kids physically safe, but give them a little bit of freedom to make up their own minds and form their own preferences and relationships.

It's not difficult.